Jiraya is the most overrated character

[Prince Charles]

*Sigh* in the exchange of a fight against a decent opponent, the last thing you'd be thinking off is an image of a frog. Secondly he has to mentain close contact, whilst doing this. You think an opponent will just look at jiraiya whilst he has his hand on his forehead, then think of an image, whilst all this time, the opponent is admiring how beautiful jiraiya's eyes are.

Funny enough the two fodders had their hands basically taken away from them because of how the technique works. No ninja will just sit there and gaze into his eyes whilst he mentains eye contact and thinks of an image :flaw:.

Also sorry for calling you a troll because you are actually cool but if you think about how the technique works and the fights that weve seen so far, its highly unlikely that he can accomplish this against a good opponent

bro if you really want to settle this we can make a whole thread on this subject ill go out :scorps:

 

[Blaze Release]

bro if you really want to settle this we can make a whole thread on this subject ill go out :scorps:

Dont bother, actually done here.

 

[Prince Charles]

Instead of grasping his forhead why doesn't he just took his head off with a kunai? To be brief any decent opponent wouldn't just let someone get ahold of their forhead in a middle of a fight.

and if they get caught off guard or jman comes out of nowhere?

 

[Prince Charles]

Instead of grasping his forhead why doesn't he just took his head off with a kunai? To be brief any decent opponent wouldn't just let someone get ahold of their forhead in a middle of a fight.

Dont bother, actually done here.

good, nice debating with you blazey :scorps:

 

[Dantee]

and if they get caught off guard or jman comes out of nowhere?

But why doesn't he just cut off their head instead? Ten Ten can defeat Jman because he gets cut off guard. :shrug:

 

[Prince Charles]

But why doesn't he just cut off their head instead? Ten Ten can defeat Jman because he gets cut off guard. :shrug:

ten ten? dude please.

and why would he cut of their head with a kunai?

getting turned into a frog is just.. is just.. i cant even explain it its just awesome

 

[Dantee]

ten ten? dude please.

and why would he cut of their head with a kunai?

getting turned into a frog is just.. is just.. i cant even explain it its just awesome

Lol it's awesome but you see my point. xd. A decent opponent isn't suppose to get caught off guard and instead of turning them to frogs cutting their head off is faster and takes less chakra.

 

[AARB]

Its such a shame that Kages dont have Jiraiya with them... he would just turn Madara into a frog.

Lol. Well, Joseph Goebbels said that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth in peoples minds. Maybe hes rooting for it. xd

As long as Jiraiya was Kage-level shinobi, putting him on par with Pain or Itachi is overrating.

putting jiraiya on itachi level is underrating him.you people need to stop overrating itachi.he may be strong but not that powerful,jiraiya is on a whole other level.you will never find someone as powerful as jiraiya to be on the same level itachi.both jiraiya and pain are on higher classes than itachi.that is why he ran away from jiraiya and was an akatsuki member not the leader.

 

[Prince Charles]

Lol it's awesome but you see my point. xd. A decent opponent isn't suppose to get caught off guard and instead of turning them to frogs cutting their head off is faster and takes less chakra.

no ninja is perfect, edo madara got pulled by gaara?

look at kakashi his above decent ninja and he has his slip ups now and then.

like i said killing someone with a kunai is so barbaric, turning them into a frog at least shows class

 

[Prince Charles]

putting jiraiya on itachi level is underrating him.you people need to stop overrating itachi.he may be strong but not that powerful,jiraiya is on a whole other level.you will never find someone as powerful as jiraiya to be on the same level itachi.both jiraiya and pain are on higher classes than itachi.that is why he ran away from jiraiya and was an akatsuki member not the leader.

no.

 

[Dantee]

putting jiraiya on itachi level is underrating him.you people need to stop overrating itachi.he may be strong but not that powerful,jiraiya is on a whole other level.you will never find someone as powerful as jiraiya to be on the same level itachi.both jiraiya and pain are on higher classes than itachi.that is why he ran away from jiraiya and was an akatsuki member not the leader.

Hello? Itachi defeated Orochimaru low difficutly. He was a Sannin just like Jiraya. So now you're claiming Jiraya is on a whole new level than Itachi? xd

Maybe you just can't except the fact that maybe Itachi was just on a whole other than Jiraya. :scorps:

no ninja is perfect, edo madara got pulled by gaara?

look at kakashi his above decent ninja and he has his slip ups now and then.

like i said killing someone with a kunai is so barbaric, turning them into a frog at least shows class

Sorry I just don't see Jiraya with the speed and ability to blitz someone and grasp their head broly style and turning them into frogs rofl. Imagine Raikage with that ability. XD

 

[AARB]

Hello? Itachi defeated Orochimaru low difficutly. He was a Sannin just like Jiraya. So now you're claiming Jiraya is on a whole new level than Itachi? xd

Maybe you just can't except the fact that maybe Itachi was just on a whole other than Jiraya. :scorps:

Sorry I just don't see Jiraya with the speed and ability to blitz someone and grasp their head broly style and turning them into frogs rofl. Imagine Raikage with that ability. XD

who told you that even orochimaru was on jiraya's level.dont be mistaken because they are both legendary sannins.that is just a title.for example,naruto is a genin officially and im sure he can beat kakashi. i suggest you uchiha fans stop lying to yourself and face the truth that jiraiya and his students are all more powerful than itachi.maybe if itachi had reached jiraiya's age he would have surpassed him but not now.

 

[siyo]

yeah people insist it's an unbelievably hard task for Minato or Jiraiya to lay a hand on an opponent, and then they have the gall to call others fanboys jiraiya has close to top tier taijutsu and speed, 4.5. not to mention the big boost he gets with sm, plus his shadow clones.

against Pain, Jiraiya only had trouble with the animal path because he decided to enter sage mode as he was facing the rinnegan and so couldnt use jutsu. He was still able to make clones and enter sm that way, and only came to the realisation that that Pain was only using animal path jutsu later.

apart from Madara, Nagato and TBB, Jiraiya has the best area of effect jutsu in the series. His underworld swamp, goemon, needle senbon and oil bullet and are both very large and very hard to avoid.

then, he is very skilled with kage bunshin, barrier techniques, and toad shadow manipulation techniques. This, coupled with his needle jizo techniques, make him very difficult to hit or harm in a fight.

In short, taking into his account his massive stamina, his vast arsenal of jutsu, and his ability to mold the environment to his liking, coupled with very destructive finishers like twin-ball or sage-art rasengan or his lion mane's techniques, means that no one will fight him easily. The fact that he's tied for highest in the databook, along with Itachi (above Orochimaru,Bee, Kisame, Kakuzu, Sasori etc incidentally), and tops the list of s-rank missions by a landslide speaks volumes. I'm not going to go into the hype, as that's a very subjective issue, but he has plenty.

as to feats, he did one-shot Konan, then proceed to defeating 3 paths of Pain (apart from the genjutsu, he did blind one, capture another, and devise a great strategy to break up their linked vision). Without an arm, he was still able to spar with the 6 pains for a while and capture one, which when you consider the likes of Kakashi were only able to fight two or so at once, albeit the strongest two, it's saying something.

Great post :scorps:

Tbh, It should end this thread, but we both know it won't..

[/SPOILER]

That itachi thing doesnt really count. Besides what im trying to say is that against any decent opponent it isnt happening. Seems like people think he touches them then they turn into a frog. He has to touch a persons forehead and whilst touching the forehead (too long in a fight), think of an image (too long). Thats way too long in a fight against a decent opponent.

Secondly i agree the databook claims his speed and taijutsu are both at 4.5 but the manga disagress. He hasnt shown much speed feat without sm (and that itself isnt on v1 raiton) and taijutsu, he doesnt have frog katas. He isnt a perfect sage

I never said it was likely but it's possible against any opponent as long as they are taken by surprise or their movements are restricted by some other stuff e.g Danzo's paralyze seal, Nature itself (elements and surroundings), bunshin feints , etc...


The databook is canon and can be used as a substitute for lacking feats, so your statement is still incorrect (no matter how you look at it).Jiraiya and Orochimaro were both incredible fast when they were chasing each other and we have not seen a ready-to-go Jiraiya get blitzed.

Btw, SM is also part of his speed and with it, he is one of the elite fast guys around.He blitzed pain like it was nothing.

 

[Dantee]

who told you that even orochimaru was on jiraya's level.dont be mistaken because they are both legendary sannins.that is just a title.for example,naruto is a genin officially and im sure he can beat kakashi. i suggest you uchiha fans stop lying to yourself and face the truth that jiraiya and his students are all more powerful than itachi.maybe if itachi had reached jiraiya's age he would have surpassed him but not now.

Jiraya has never and will never be on Itachi's level. You have nothing, but a bunch of empty words.

:scorps:

 

[Prince Charles]

Great post :scorps:

Tbh, It should end this thread, but we both know it won't..



I never said it was likely but it's possible against any opponent as long as they are taken by surprise or their movements are restricted by some other stuff e.g Danzo's paralyze seal, Nature itself (elements and surroundings), bunshin feints , etc...


The databook is canon and can be used as a substitute for lacking feats, so your statement is still incorrect (no matter how you look at it).Jiraiya and Orochimaro were both incredible fast when they were chasing each other and we have not seen a ready-to-go Jiraiya get blitzed.

good post +rep to you and blaze.

 

[Blaze Release]

I never said it was likely but it's possible against any opponent as long as they are taken by surprise or their movements are restricted by some other stuff e.g Danzo's paralyze seal, Nature itself (elements and surroundings), bunshin feints , etc...

The databook is canon and can be used as a substitute for lacking feats, so your statement is still incorrect (no matter how you look at it).Jiraiya and Orochimaro were both incredible fast when they were chasing each other and we have not seen a ready-to-go Jiraiya get blitzed.

I dont believe its possible against any opponent, fodders perpahs.
As for the databook, it might be canon but its too vague. The manga is canon.
Both sasuke and jiraiya have a 4.5 for speed, yet the manga says sasuke is faster. I can go on and on. But the databook is too vague.

 

[Prince Charles]

I dont believe its possible against any opponent, fodders perpahs.
As for the databook, it might be canon but its too vague. The manga is canon.
Both sasuke and jiraiya have a 4.5 for speed, yet the manga says sasuke is faster. I can go on and on. But the databook is too vague.

it saids i cant rep ya cus i gotta spread some first :shrug: you dont mind waiting?

 

[siyo]

I dont believe its possible against any opponent, fodders perpahs.
As for the databook, it might be canon but its too vague. The manga is canon.
Both sasuke and jiraiya have a 4.5 for speed, yet the manga says sasuke is faster. I can go on and on. But the databook is too vague.

That is your opinion, but I believe it's a faulty one since we have seen, over and over again, that people appear right in front of each other's faces.

Sasuke is only faster than Jiraiya because of his shunsin speed, which is Ninjutsu .

 

[lolitaninja]

Well, maybe a bit overrated (seeing as I haven't heard many people say bad things about him), but he's still an entertaining character nonetheless!

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Not as overrated as, say, Sasuke.