Kakashi-Cut the Crap People!!

[iknowwhotobiis]

Only with a kunai, just see what Minato was capable to do:

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If this kunai had touch A at this moment, he would have died for sure. It's the reason why Bee came to help him.

Also when you say he became stronger it's just your assumptions which is not really a fact, cuz he could also have become weaker cuz of his old age. His prime is already behind him i think. Like Naruto said, he is only a grand pa now.

Thats why sasuke sword (enhanced with lightning) and his raikiri did nothing to A?! ok valid point about his age but it is not clear who is stronger between A and minato. I would still give A the victory - high difficulty. BTw on your post you just proved that Killer bee is faster than minato

 

[Sephy100]

People forget that Itachi had a debilitating disease in which he couldn't use his full power. Most Itachi fans realize that and that's why we can say he's in the top 5 strongest character. Kakashi couldn't hold a candle to a healthy Itachi. And I'm pretty sure that Sasuke would scrape Kakashi when he learns to master his powers fully. And guy is not that strong. If he faced anyone with byakugan then he would lose. In short, Kakashi is weak compared to Akatsuki and Sasuke and Naruto and the 5 kages but hey at least he's stronger than Sakura which isn't saying much.

 

[Sephy100]

You sound like a hater. Its no doubt Kakashi is Kage level. you cant take that away. as long as he is living he will get better too. every character will get overrated. thats life. you yourself underrate him yourself. His feats are amazing and has more s-rank missions under his belt. He's Konoha's strongest Jounin. That within itself is amazing.

How can he be kate level if he's never beaten a kage?

 

[Bogard]

Thats why sasuke sword (enhanced with lightning) and his raikiri did nothing to A?! ok valid point about his age but it is not clear who is stronger between A and minato. I would still give A the victory - high difficulty. BTw on your post you just proved that Killer bee is faster than minato

If Minato used a wind element at this moment, it will be much more better than Sasukes lightning, don't you think, cuz wind>lightning.
Minato is highly understimated in this base. A said himself that Minato was stronger than him, but you still believe A is stronger? He even said "i thought he was unsurpassable"

 

[Bogard]

How can he be kate level if he's never beaten a kage?

Maybe because he has never fought a kage...

 

[Blaze Release]

Again you take your arguments as facts, and you want that we actually believe in what you say?

Ill explain. We saw that sasuke's chidori cut clean through the 8 tails tentacles with ease;

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Now minato's kunai didnt even, yes didnt even fully cut through the 8 tails tentacles;

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This alone should tell you that sasuke's chidori >>>> minato's kunai by feats.

Yet sasuke's chidori hardly got passed A's skin and left a little mark. Even A was surprised that sasuke was able to leave a mark on him;

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Tanked juugo's blast from point blank range and nothing happened;

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Chidori sphere > juugo's blast > kunai
The kunai, like the chidori and juugo's blast wouldnt have left a mark on him. The reason bee 'saved' him is because it was instinct. He saw a kunai being aimed at his brother, he would intervene, thats normal

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

If Minato used a wind element at this moment, it will be much more better than Sasukes lightning, don't you think, cuz wind>lightning.
Minato is highly understimated in this base. A said himself that Minato was stronger than him, but you still believe A is stronger? He even said "i thought he was unsurpassable"

well wind>lighting still doesnt prove minato kunai would harm A, may be it would wound him a bit. Well even though A said that minato is unsurpassable, that is simply his opinion. It is true that Minato is incredibly strong but I dont consider him top 5 until i see more jutsus from him. S\T + rasengan + taking the kyuubi away from tobi is not enough for me to say he can fight in equal terms with nagato+ madara+hashi+kabuto (even tho i hate him)+ tobi who can destory a village by themselves with one jutsu

How can he be kate level if he's never beaten a kage?

kakashi is kage level because he was elected to be one of them.

Regarding why i brought killer bee in the argument is to prove how killer bee was able to anticipate minato twice meaning he is not as fast as people think

 

[Noobastank]

That wouldnt have left a mark on A and tbh im contemplating creating a thread to stop that nonsense.

Why not? I would like to know myself. Since bee did save him i cant say i entirely agree but i do see where your comming from.

Thats why sasuke sword (enhanced with lightning) and his raikiri did nothing to A?! ok valid point about his age but it is not clear who is stronger between A and minato. I would still give A the victory - high difficulty. BTw on your post you just proved that Killer bee is faster than minato

Your stupid.....thats saying killer bee is faster than A and also the fastest in the series [next to naruto.] Sasuke does not have raikiri. he has chidori. BIG DIFFERENCE.and because raikage got older i have reason to believe he is actually stronger than he was when he fought minato.

How can he be kate level if he's never beaten a kage?

He would have been the hokage if the plot had not have made the twist it did. the fact that so many higher up ninja suggested him for the job says that he is on that level.

 

[Sephy100]

Give kakashi the credit he deserves, i mean itachi has 2 sharigans and kakashi has 1 and he uses it better than the little prick and crybaby sasuke.

Kakashi has had his sharingan for decades so you comparing him to Sasuke is irrelevant. Kakashi deserves no respect after being thoroughly destroyed by Itachi's genjutsu when Itachi was in a diseased state and not even trying.

 

[Sephy100]

He would have been the hokage if the plot had not have made the twist it did. the fact that so many higher up ninja suggested him for the job says that he is on that level.[/QUOTE]

He was only picked because people respected him the most, after Tsunade. He's not Kage level and everyone here, except you, knows this.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

@noobastank

Nope, there lies your mistake. You misunderstand S/T with speed. Killer bee might in fact be faster than minato. And A is in fact faster than minato. Minato is simply regarded as "the fastest" because he can teleport.

So if we go with your argument teleportation=speed i would give it to tobi eevn though minato bested him.

 

[Bogard]

Now minato's kunai didnt even, yes didnt even fully cut through the 8 tails tentacles;

Look closely. Minatos kunai didn't just cut through 8tails tentacles. Look the huge hole on the floor only caused by a kunai...

This alone should tell you that sasuke's chidori >>>> minato's kunai by feats.

Maybe in power it's stronger, but don't forget elements. Wind>Lightning. So if Minato used wind element at this moment he had much more chance to hurt A than Sasuke with his chidori even if his jutsu is not that strong. And again look carefully at that pic. It hasn't only cut through 8tails tentacle, but it has also destroy the floor in an important scale just with one move.

Tanked juugo's blast from point blank range and nothing happened;

Here i actually thought he dodged the attack. He didn't received that at all if i've understand it perfectly.

 

[itachi49]

Kakashi is 30 and yet look at him, he isnt getting stronger and if he does by just a little. A ninja usually hits their prime around this age and kakashi's prime is what we are seeing. He isnt getting stronger. If he does then so would gai and gai's his so called internal rival isnt getting stronger either. Tobi was right when he called both maggots;

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Kakashi can copy technique's yes but there limits. Also it depends on his chakra affiliation, chakra tank and skill and you say i dont know the sharigan very well, me?. If you did youd know that he cant just copy techniques (kg exempt), it also depends on skill.

Also due to how genjutsu works, he cannot copy it. He isnt really much of a genjutsu user anyway. Atleast not in a fight. Seems like you've based all you've said on the sharigan therefore ill break your heart.

Kishi has created a law. The law goes like this;

The sharigan drains little chakra from an uchiha, if a non uchiha uses it their chakra drains alot quicker.

The second rule is that ms takes takes alot of chakra even amonst uchiha. A non uchiha with the ms, this will take a greater toll on a non uchiha with the shairgan. Itachi in his sick state was still able to use more than enough ms techniques, kakashi in his healthy state one kamui and we see the effects it has on him.

The third rule is that the ms as soon as its unlocked, the blindness process starts and the more you use the further you increase your eyes descent into the darkness. Going by the law kishi has created kakashi will soon go blind and infact the descent into darkness will be quicker because every negative that happens to an uchiha in relation to the sharigan, the negative is greater for a non uchiha.

That is the law kishi has created if you havent noticed. As for the chakra thing, if you look at the databook yes the databook all 3 databooks, 1,2,3 kakashi's stamina has stayed the same at a 3. Never, yes never has it increased.

I don't see any proof in your post that prove that he isn't getting better.All you do is your own opinion.Since when 30 is the limit to increase skill?
Danzo,Jiraiya and the sannins looks ways stronger than when they were younger.
What about Madara who was still getting stronger untill he die?Your 30 years old limitation is a joke,you just took Kakashi's age to make your own opinion and put an age for his prime.

Two more maggots,so Naruto and Bee are maggots to him as well.Don't be so high,he'd say the same if Itachi came up.
Of course when you have Gedo mazo,6 bijuus and jinchurikis equiped with rinnegan and sharingan 2 or 4 maggots doesn't change anything for the strongest vilain.


I just rectified when you said that he can only copy low rank jutsu which is wrong since he can copy A jutsu which is high rank like rasengan or Daibakufu no Jutsu.I didn't mensioned other points of sharingan abilities.

I know the side effect of mangekyou sharingan,even Itachi was exhausted after using amaterasu and tsukiyomi and unable to fight.I think that it's not his chakra that is increasing but his body is acustoming to sharingan with time.If you pay attention,you'll notice that since the begining of manga, after each fight Kakashi shows a better endurance because he can use more jutsus and fight longer with sharingan without any problem.
At the moment Kakashi has an trasmplanted sharingan and never shown a visual sign of blinding so i don't want speculate about his futur.

Kishi was clearly the right one.

 

[Bogard]

@noobastank

Nope, there lies your mistake. You misunderstand S/T with speed. Killer bee might in fact be faster than minato. And A is in fact faster than minato. Minato is simply regarded as "the fastest" because he can teleport.

Even with his base speed, Minato is one of the best. And what makes Minato really impressiv apart from his teleportation is his reflexes. No one has reflexes so good like Minato, and combine with his FTG, it's why he is called the fastest one in Naruto univers. :scorps:

Also for Bee who anticipated Minato, it's much more easier to anticipate someone when you're looking a fight from outside and only need to interven when it's needed.

For example Suigetsu also managed to anticipate Raikage in the council to save Sasuke. Does that mean he is faster than Raikage?:shrug:

 

[Blaze Release]

Look closely. Minatos kunai didn't just cut through 8tails tentacles. Look the huge hole on the floor only caused by a kunai...

Maybe in power it's stronger, but don't forget elements. Wind>Lightning. So if Minato used wind element at this moment he had much more chance to hurt A than Sasuke with his chidori even if his jutsu is not that strong. And again look carefully at that pic. It hasn't only cut through 8tails tentacle, but it has also destroy the floor in an important scale just with one move.

Here i actually thought he dodged the attack. He didn't received that at all if i've understand it perfectly.

I dont see any hole all i see is the impact from the tentacles hitting the ground. Wind?, lmao now you makign something up, but also you are wrong. Wind > lighting true, but if minato's kunai was truly wind, it wouldve cut straight through the tentacles, if lightning can, wind can also. What further makes this false is that, asuma has the ability to infuse his chakra with his wind into his knife and if you see the power it generates it would cut clean the 8 tails chakra, yet it didnt happen.

A tanked juugo's blast, he didnt evade it. Anyway all ive said should tell you that, the kunai wouldnt have left a mark

 

[Midday]

He was only picked because people respected him the most, after Tsunade. He's not Kage level and everyone here, except you, knows this.

Actually he was picked because he was the most capable person of being Hokage since he in fact is kage level. Most know that except you can't admit it. He can beat Tsunade and Mei who are both currently Kage.

 

[Noobastank]

He was only picked because people respected him the most, after Tsunade. He's not Kage level and everyone here, except you, knows this.

Why on Earth would Konoha pick a weak Kage? And why would the leaf respect him if he was not strong? Why would he be famous in other countries if he was weak? Hes not the best ninja..but hes better than what you say

@noobastank

Nope, there lies your mistake. You misunderstand S/T with speed. Killer bee might in fact be faster than minato. And A is in fact faster than minato. Minato is simply regarded as "the fastest" because he can teleport.

So if we go with your argument teleportation=speed i would give it to tobi eevn though minato bested him.

I see what your saying but he does demonstrate speed without FTG in his defence. when Tobi was gonna kill newborn naruto he snatched him right out of tobi's arms. im unsure if he had time to place a FTG seal on the new born, nor do i see why he would have too but im sure minato was fast without FTG. But i do see the point you make. thanks. S/T does not equal speed. i have learned today lol

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

Even with his base speed, Minato is one of the best. And what makes Minato really impressiv apart from his teleportation is his reflexes. No one has reflexes so good like Minato, and combine with his FTG, it's why he is called the fastest one in Naruto univers. :scorps:

Also for Bee who anticipated Minato, it's much more easier to anticipate someone when you're looking a fight from outside and only need to interven when it's needed.

For example Suigetsu also managed to anticipate Raikage in the council to save Sasuke. Does that mean he is faster than Raikage?:shrug:

Good example, but at that time raikage was not using his full speed... darui even kept up with him. I might be wrong. Regarding minato reflexes I would be a fool if I ddidnt agree with you as he dodged A at full speed simply because of them. Regarding your point about killer bee, it is valid for the first prediction. However, the second one killer bee had no idea minato put a mark on him. So him being able to point a sword at minato it proves his reflexes are a par with minato FTG.

Actually he was picked because he was the most capable person of being Hokage since he in fact is kage level. Most know that except you can't admit it. He can beat Tsunade and Mei who are both currently Kage.

he is kage level, however lets not overrate him and say he would beat Mei and Tsunade.

@Noobastank

Note: i do agree with you minato is top 3 fastest ninja without FTG. I would say naruto # 1, A + minato # 2. Not sure who is faster T_T may be A cuz i need to balance out the minato fans

 

[Blaze Release]

I don't see any proof in your post that prove that he isn't getting better.All you do is your own opinion.Since when 30 is the limit to increase skill?
Danzo,Jiraiya and the sannins looks ways stronger than when they were younger.
What about Madara who was still getting stronger untill he die?Your 30 years old limitation is a joke,you just took Kakashi's age to make your own opinion and put an age for his prime.

Two more maggots,so Naruto and Bee are maggots to him as well.Don't be so high,he'd say the same if Itachi came up.
Of course when you have Gedo mazo,6 bijuus and jinchurikis equiped with rinnegan and sharingan 2 or 4 maggots doesn't change anything for the strongest vilain.


I just rectified when you said that he can only copy low rank jutsu which is wrong since he can copy A jutsu which is high rank like rasengan or Daibakufu no Jutsu.I didn't mensioned other points of sharingan abilities.

I know the side effect of sharingan,even Itachi was exhausted after using amaterasu and tsukiyomi and unable to fight.I think that it's not his chakra that is increasing but his body is acustoming to sharingan with time.If you pay attention,you'll notice that since the begining of manga, after each fight Kakashi shows a better endurance because he can use more jutsu and fight longer with sharingan without any problem.
At the moment Kakashi has an trasmplanted sharingan and never shown a visual sign of blinding so i don't want speculate about his futur.

Kishi was clearly the right one.

Fair enough, you've held your own and although there are many things i can pick on in your post i will not . I do believe kakashi will go blind though

 

[Henchman24]

I am making this thread to see why people are over-rating Kakashi so much. Please give reasons as to why you think Kakashi could hang with some of the toughest and why he can win in some cases.

1: Kakashi cannot beat Itachi-Kishi cleared that one.
2: Kakashi's Kamui has not beaten/killed anyone, so saying that he can just one shot someone is never enough of a reason to say he wins.
3: I have heard people say that Kakashi is much stronger than we have seen and base these theories on nothing.

Use evidence to back up arguments and stop being fanboys!! Kakashi is a great character with some great moves but stop making him limitless. His limits have been set and stated and he is never gonna be the strongest.

Making my point:

This is from Madromanof on Page 2: Kakashi can fight one on one with almost all akatsuki members and kill them except itachi and nagato. You see after witnessing sasuke use all ms techs made me think even kakashi can kill him. This isnt a joke kakashis arsenal is big enough to surprise us. To keep up with itachi evem for a little aint easy feat. While itachi is fighting to kill.

Dude no way. Kakashi could solo anyone.