Sharingan Tobi > Minato

[-Vegeta-]

And losing one small battle determines who's better or not? If Minato was better, he would have killed him, not sit back and think about how powerful Tobi is, and then leave it to his son to finish him.

Minato could've killed Tobi anytime he wished considering he had him marked, but the kyuubi was the bigger issue at the time. Minato was the hokage and the hokages responsibilities lie soley in defending the village and its people.

You just can't seem to handle that Minato beat Tobi's ass. I have a few words of advice. Get. Over. It.

Minato outsmarted Tobi, he outclassed Tobi, and more importantly he was simply more skillful than Tobi. All while Minato had zero prep time and an inferior s/t jutsu.

I'll just let you think about that for a little bit.

 

[Zerolax]

Can u answer how Minato would follow Tobi? like he had the choice....Minato just handled his business on Tobi and then tobi left..at that time....Tobi couldnt do much else, thats why he left...

Its easy to say now that Tobi is stronger...he has alot of abilities...but at that time he wasnt as strong as he is in current manga. just as u said otherwise minato would have followed...u could say if Tobi is so much better why didn't he kill minato right there,

 

[MarkPaul]

Minato could've killed Tobi anytime he wished considering he had him marked, but the kyuubi was the bigger issue at the time. Minato was the hokage and the hokages responsibilities lie soley in defending the village and its people.

You just can't seem to handle that Minato beat Tobi's ass. I have a few words of advice. Get. Over. It.

Minato outsmarted Tobi, he outclassed Tobi, and more importantly he was simply more skillful than Tobi. All while Minato had zero prep time and an inferior s/t jutsu.

I'll just let you think about that for a little bit.

Agreed with that. He could also just used the death reaper seal on tobi. But he didnt just because of the kyuubi

 

[Shirou Emiya]

I'm pretty sure if tobi was a normal person instead of someone who can let his limbs get melted off and somehow get them back I think minato would win

 

[TobisPawn]

Minato could've killed Tobi anytime he wished considering he had him marked, but the kyuubi was the bigger issue at the time. Minato was the hokage and the hokages responsibilities lie soley in defending the village and its people.

You just can't seem to handle that Minato beat Tobi's ass. I have a few words of advice. Get. Over. It.

Minato outsmarted Tobi, he outclassed Tobi, and more importantly he was simply more skillful than Tobi. All while Minato had zero prep time and an inferior s/t jutsu.

I'll just let you think about that for a little bit.

Minato himself stated that Tobi was a greater threat than Kurama, and that he had to kill him. But he couldn't.

I'm not denying that Minato outsmarted Tobi, and I'm not denying that Tobi lost that little skirmish between the two. -__-

Tobi had zero prep time too, by the way, though that doesn't really matter I guess.

You're forgetting that Tobi still had Izanagi, for TEN minutes, and his Genjutsu that can control a perfect Jinchuuriki. All Minato's shown in his fights so far is FTG and Rasengan. Minato was prepared to do everything he could, while Tobi seemingly underestimated Minato a little.

Can u answer how Minato would follow Tobi? like he had the choice....Minato just handled his business on Tobi and then tobi left..at that time....Tobi couldnt do much else, thats why he left...

Its easy to say now that Tobi is stronger...he has alot of abilities...but at that time he wasnt as strong as he is in current manga. just as u said otherwise minato would have followed...u could say if Tobi is so much better why didn't he kill minato right there,

Minato had him marked. He could have teleported to him.

And its true, Tobi could have also killed Minato. Tobi might have underestimated Minato a little, and I'm not denying that he lost that small battle.

 

[MarkPaul]

I'm not denying that Minato outsmarted Tobi, and I'm not denying that Tobi lost that little skirmish between the two. -__-

Tobi had zero prep time too, by the way, though that doesn't really matter I guess.

You're forgetting that Tobi still had Izanagi, for TEN minutes, and his Genjutsu that can control a perfect Jinchuuriki. All Minato's shown in his fights so far is FTG and Rasengan.




Minato had him marked. He could have teleported to him.

And its true, Tobi could have also killed Minato. Tobi might have underestimated Minato a little, and I'm not denying that he lost that small battle.

He showed the seal's he learned from uzumaki clan. That genjutsu was cancelled by minato.

 

[-Vegeta-]

I'm not denying that Minato outsmarted Tobi, and I'm not denying that Tobi lost that little skirmish between the two. -__-

Tobi had zero prep time too, by the way, though that doesn't really matter I guess.

You're forgetting that Tobi still had Izanagi, for TEN minutes, and his Genjutsu that can control a perfect Jinchuuriki. All Minato's shown in his fights so far is FTG and Rasengan.

Tobi had zero prep time, is that a joke? Tobi had been planning for that day for a long time and even says as much.

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"Do you have any idea how long I've been waiting for this moment" pretty much implies he'd been planning for this day for a long time.

Izanagi merely prevents death, so how would that change anything? Minato had him beat in virtually every way.

The fact is Minato won. The manga makes it pretty clear he's superior than sharingan Tobi, so get over it.

 

[MarkPaul]

Minato himself stated that Tobi was a greater threat than Kurama, and that he had to kill him. But he couldn't.

I'm not denying that Minato outsmarted Tobi, and I'm not denying that Tobi lost that little skirmish between the two. -__-

Tobi had zero prep time too, by the way, though that doesn't really matter I guess.

You're forgetting that Tobi still had Izanagi, for TEN minutes, and his Genjutsu that can control a perfect Jinchuuriki. All Minato's shown in his fights so far is FTG and Rasengan. Minato was prepared to do everything he could, while Tobi seemingly underestimated Minato a little.




Minato had him marked. He could have teleported to him.

And its true, Tobi could have also killed Minato. Tobi might have underestimated Minato a little, and I'm not denying that he lost that small battle.

Even if it's a small battle its still a battle. That just means tobi sharingan < minato.

 

[TobisPawn]

Tobi had zero prep time, is that a joke? Tobi had been planning for that day for a long time and even says as much.

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"Do you have any idea how long I've been waiting for this moment" pretty much implies he'd been planning for this day for a long time.

Izanagi merely prevents death, so how would that change anything? Minato had him beat in virtually every way.

The fact is Minato won. The manga makes it pretty clear he's superior than sharingan Tobi, so get over it.

Tobi obviously didn't know about Minato's techniques or he wouldn't have been so surprised at every move Minato pulled.

Izanagi merely prevents death? Tobi would have control over any damage dealt to him for TEN minutes. That's clearly enough for him to have killed Minato.

And you didn't reply to Tobi's Genjutsu.

Even if it's a small battle its still a battle. That just means tobi sharingan < minato.

Neji to Part 1 Naruto due to underestimating him. He was still stronger for the better of Part 1.

Tobi lost to Minato due to underestimating him.


Hell, the polls severely against me. I guess I'm probably wrong.

 

[MarkPaul]

Tobi obviously didn't know about Minato's techniques or he wouldn't have been so surprised at every move Minato pulled.

Izanagi merely prevents death? Tobi would have control over any damage dealt to him for TEN minutes. That's clearly enough for him to have killed Minato.

And you didn't reply to Tobi's Genjutsu.




Neji to Part 1 Naruto due to underestimating him. He was still stronger for the better of Part 1.

Tobi lost to Minato due to underestimating him.


Hell, the polls severely against me. I guess I'm probably wrong.

Yes bro. Its so true that minato beated tobi. Get over it. And also that genjutsu was cancelled by minato. Face it. One seal and it was over. :scorps:

 

[TobisPawn]

Yes bro. Its so true that minato beated tobi. Get over it. And also that genjutsu was cancelled by minato. Face it. One seal and it was over. :scorps:

I'm talking about Tobi's Genjutsu used to control Yagura. If he used it directly on Minato, Minato would've been completely done for.

I guess the poll disproves me (admitting defeat), but all I'm trying to say is Tobi showed almost none of his techniques that would've been extremely useful, such as Izanagi and his Genjutsu that could have been a one shot on Minato

 

[-Vegeta-]

Tobi obviously didn't know about Minato's techniques or he wouldn't have been so surprised at every move Minato pulled.

Izanagi merely prevents death? Tobi would have control over any damage dealt to him for TEN minutes. That's clearly enough for him to have killed Minato.

And you didn't reply to Tobi's Genjutsu.

And Minato knew nothing of Tobi's yet he still managed to easily deal with him.

What about his genjutsu? The only thing he's shown is the power to control the kyuubi, which Madara has done as well. That doesn't mean he has some insane hax genjutsu like tsukuyomi. Sharingan is a tool specifically to control the kyuubi.

Manga made it quite clear Minato>Tobi. There's also Minato's reaper death seal that I haven't even mentioned.

 

[TobisPawn]

And Minato knew nothing of Tobi's yet he still managed to easily deal with him.

And about izanagi it's only for seconds, not ten minutes. I have no idea where you got that from.

What about his genjutsu? The only thing he's shown is the power to control the kyuubi, which Madara has done as well. That doesn't mean he has some insane hax genjutsu like tsukuyomi. Sharingan is a tool specifically to control the kyuubi.

Manga made it quite clear Minato>Tobi. There's also Minato's reaper death seal that I haven't even mentioned.

Tobi's Izanagi lasted 10 minutes, enough to deal with Konan's explosives. His Izanagi >>> Danzo's.

Tobi controlled Yagura, a PERFECT JINCHUURIKI, with Genjutsu for several years. That's more "insane hax genjutsu" than Tsukuyomi. That would have been an easy one shot on Minato.

And the reaper death seal is a double-edge sword. And Tobi could go intangible to avoid it.



But by the way, look at my post above^^

 

[Rike Senju]

Tobi went in prepared and with advantage..minato not only had to worry about Tobi but also kurama from destroying the village..minato bested him and practically owned him that's why Tobi retreated.

 

[MarkPaul]

I'm talking about Tobi's Genjutsu used to control Yagura. If he used it directly on Minato, Minato would've been completely done for.

I guess the poll disproves me (admitting defeat), but all I'm trying to say is Tobi showed almost none of his techniques that would've been extremely useful, such as Izanagi and his Genjutsu that could have been a one shot on Minato

Minato CAN seal any jutsu to stop it. Like how he released kuruma from being controlled by tobi. He could have also used it on Yagura if he wanted to.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Tobi's Izanagi lasted 10 minutes, enough to deal with Konan's explosives. His Izanagi >>> Konan's.

Tobi controlled Yagura, a PERFECT JINCHUURIKI, with Genjutsu for several years. That's more "insane hax genjutsu" than Tsukuyomi. That would have been an easy one shot on Minato.

And the reaper death seal is a double-edge sword. And Tobi could go intangible to avoid it.

Izanagi prevents damage and death nothing more. That's not going to help much against Minato. Minato won that fight due to his superior intelligence and skill. He'd still have to hit Minato, which he failed to due several times even though he has a superior s/t jutsu.

Minato had no worry about looking into Tobi's eyes now did he? He knew he had sharingan yet never even feared it to take notice of it.

Then there's still all of Minato's summonings and not to mention he can probably summon ma and pa to aid him since they're also frogs and he has a contract with toads. They have a powerful genjutsu themselves.

Tobi lost and the manga made that quite clear. I'm done debating this and to be honest it shouldn't even be a debate. It's also quite clear you're a Tobi fan, so it's pretty obvious you're biased for him even if that means ignoring logic.

I'm done.

 

[BasedNaruto]

Tobi is an idiot, by far in battle. You know why? Because he underestimates people,

Example: Minato and Konan, soon to be Naruto.

He got killed by Konan and Injured by Minato, in which his plan was slowed..

Tobi is too! smart and powerful, he needs to stop underestimating people or i see another rasengan coming towards his spine again.

 

[Mante]

Havn't anyone realised that Tobi was controling the Kiyubi (with a normal sharingan) when he fought Minato? He was handling two business at the same time.

 

[TobisPawn]

Izanagi prevents damage and death nothing more. That's not going to help much against Minato. Minato won that fight due to his superior intelligence and skill. He'd still have to hit Minato, which he failed to due several times even though he has a superior s/t jutsu.

Minato had no worry about looking into Tobi's eyes now did he? He knew he had sharingan yet never even feared it to take notice of it.

Then there's still all of Minato's summonings and not to mention he can probably summon ma and pa to aid him since they're also frogs and he has a contract with toads. They have a powerful genjutsu themselves.

Tobi lost and the manga made that quite clear. I'm done debating this and to be honest it shouldn't even be a debate. It's also quite clear you're a Tobi fan, so it's pretty obvious you're biased for him even if that means ignoring logic.

I'm done.

Did you look at my other post? I admitted that I was most likely wrong, but you're disproving Tobi way too much.

Izanagi would prevent Tobi from taking any damage for 10 minutes, and control his own reality, giving him enough time to one shot Minato with his Genjutsu.

As you said, Minato was unprepared, and that's why he didn't know about Tobi's Genjutsu. I'm not ignoring any of your logic, I'm agreeing that Tobi lost that battle. Yet you fail to realize how much of an advantage Izanagi would give Tobi, and you have no way to disprove Tobi's Genjutsu getting a one shot on Minato.

Tell me: How would Minato counter Tobi's Genjutsu that can control a perfect jinchuuriki/Mizukage for years on end?

Unless you don't have any support that Minato can. -__-

Me being a Tobi fan has nothing to do with Tobi's Izanagi and Genjutsu being extremely OP.

 

[Amantius]

Nope, want to know why read the spoiler box.

Spoiler

Because you just can't compare the dead to the living MOFO!!!!, and how dare you!!!! Brains can beat anything if use correctly and those are things Minato has. EASY WIN FOR Minato= SEALING JUTSU ALL DAY@!