Hiruzen was a poor leader

[kakashi owns all]

Hiruzen failed to stop it and it had nothing to do with the Uchiha refusing. That's never even mentioned in the manga. It's only stated that Hiruzen failed to stop it.

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you cant take any of what tobi said as the truth as he lies a lot and will do it the most in all of naruto also he made the correct political move to win the 2ed grate ninja war

 

[Narubro]

To me Hiruzen was simply a poor leader. He never had the courage to put his foot down when needing to. He may have been seen, known, and had the title of hokage, but Danzo was the one really leading the village.

I mean in the recent chapter when the people of the orphanage said they would go to Hiruzen had Danzo and the leaf stopped funding the orphanage if they didn't cooperate, but Danzo didn't even care, which pretty much tells me that Hiruzen was very soft and simply let people step on him when it came to political issues.

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Another issue with him was his handling of Orochimaru. He continued to be naive thinking his student would change and refused to kill him and it ended up costing him his life and deaths of his fellow shinobi.

Then there's the issue of the Uchiha massacre where Danzo orchestrated the entire thing and Hiruzen knew about it, but still failed to stop it. He just seemed way too soft and naive and it ended up resulting in a lot of things that could've been avoided had he the courage to do what needed to be done.

This is in no way trying to say Hiruzen is a weak shinobi, only a poor leader. Danzo was the true hokage of that village.

I agree to an extent, but he was a good man.

Orochimaru was like a son to him, he was his most precious student, it was hard for him. I know he shouldn't have let him go, but I don't blame him.

Danzo didn't care because he knew his subordinates would threaten them, thus they would not go to the Third.

The Third never opposed the Uchiha Massacre anyway. It was obviously a good decision since there was going to be a war anyway.

 

[Zlad]

I fully agree, there has been many things that has taken place when he was hokage that i didnt like.

How oro could get away with his experiments on baby's (yamato for example) and not find out is surprising. How you let such a person go is beyond me.

The uchiha massacre is also another thing. Danzo playing with people's likes like what he did to kabuto and kabuto's mother si also something else.

You also forgot that during the 3rd ninja war some of the actions of the leaf shinobi's are questionable, but also danzo meeting with hanzo.

I agree, Tsunade has more balls than him

Dude what the fûck, Tsunade??? Oh please

 

[-Vegeta-]

you cant take any of what tobi said as the truth as he lies a lot and will do it the most in all of naruto also he made the correct political move to win the 2ed grate ninja war

So since you have nothing to counter what I said you resort to saying Tobi lied. Lol people on here really are ignorant. The fact is Hiruzen failed to convince Danzo and the elders to negotiate with the Uchiha and they said screw you and went ahead with the massacre, which pretty much proves Hiruzen is soft.

I agree to an extent, but he was a good man.

Orochimaru was like a son to him, he was his most precious student, it was hard for him. I know he shouldn't have let him go, but I don't blame him.

Danzo didn't care because he knew his subordinates would threaten them, thus the would not go to the Third.

The Third never opposed the Uchiha Massacre anyway. It was obviously a good decision since there was going to be a war anyway.

He actually did.

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[stRunF]

By calling Hiruzen a bad leader and Danzo a good one, you're calling both Tobirama and Hashirama a bad leader.
Tobirama entrusted the village to Hiruzen, though Danzo was there aswell, though Hiruzen was the one who could actually keep the village on the right path, what happened with the village with the just few days of Danzo's leadership?
(Hashirama entrusted the village to Tobirama)
I suppose your a fan of the root's and Danzo's aswell...
With Danzo's leadership Konoha wouldn't even exist anymore

 

[-Vegeta-]

By calling Hiruzen a bad leader and Danzo a good one, you're calling both Tobirama and Hashirama a bad leader.
Tobirama entrusted the village to Hiruzen, though Danzo was there aswell, though Hiruzen was the one who could actually keep the village on the right path, what happened with the village with the just few days of Danzo's leadership?
(Hashirama entrusted the village to Tobirama)

Where did I ever say Danzo was a good leader? I simply said that he actually did what needed to be done when it came to political issues unlike Hiruzen who was always naive and tried to see the good in others, which hurt the village more than it helped.

 

[kakashi owns all]

So since you have nothing to counter what I said you resort to saying Tobi lied. Lol people on here really are ignorant. The fact is Hiruzen failed to convince Danzo and the elders to negotiate with the Uchiha and they said screw you and went ahead with the massacre, which pretty much proves Hiruzen is soft.



He actually did.

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way to not address the 2rd thing i said....also everyone know that tobi

a) hates the leaf
B)is a lair

 

[SageRinnegan]

By calling Hiruzen a bad leader and Danzo a good one, you're calling both Tobirama and Hashirama a bad leader.
Tobirama entrusted the village to Hiruzen, though Danzo was there aswell, though Hiruzen was the one who could actually keep the village on the right path, what happened with the village with the just few days of Danzo's leadership?
(Hashirama entrusted the village to Tobirama)
I suppose your a fan of the root's..
With Danzo's leadership Konoha wouldn't even exist anymore

dafuq kind of logic is that??
all of the hokages are good leaders.
some may be weaker than others *cough* tsunade *cough*, but none of them were bad leaders.

 

[-Vegeta-]

way to not address the 2rd thing i said....also everyone know that tobi

a) hates the leaf
B)is a lair

I'll just let you keep living in your fantasy world.

 

[Prince Charles]

way to not address the 2rd thing i said....also everyone know that tobi

a) hates the leaf
B)is a lair

you cant think everything that tobi saids is not true sometimes its just common sense that he's telling the truth your thinking way in to it.

 

[kakashi owns all]

I'll just let you keep living in your fantasy world.

i see you have nothing to say for yourself

 

[-Vegeta-]

i see you have nothing to say for yourself

I've already said all that needs to be said and provided facts that prove he's a poor leader while all you've done is ramble on about him being a good leader with zero proof.

I don't need to say anymore.

 

[Turson]

Yeah, he sucked. Any rational leader would put the Jinjuuriki of the most powerful Bijuu into some sort of special training abd care, Hiruzen just let him be. Not to mention that his poor decisions were the reason why Naruto was hated so much.

But it still cant be compared to what horrible godfather Jiraiya was. Perv, you failed your students (both Minato and Naruto) miserably.

 

[stRunF]

dafuq kind of logic is that??
all of the hokages are good leaders.
some may be weaker than others *cough* tsunade *cough*, but none of them were bad leaders.

Read the first post and watch your tone.

 

[Method]

Well I have to agree to some point but at the same time...

Where was Danzo during the nine tails attack, the Oro attack & the Pein attack :scorps:

 

[-Vegeta-]

Well I have to agree to some point but at the same time...

Where was Danzo during the nine tails attack, the Oro attack & the Pein attack :scorps:

Thinking of deceptive ways to become hokage xd He even mentions during the Pain attack that he doesn't want to help so that he can become hokage.

 

[Midday]

Well I have to agree to some point but at the same time...

Where was Danzo during the nine tails attack, the Oro attack & the Pein attack :scorps:

Maybe Kishi didn't invent Danzo at the Oro attack. As for the Pein attack he wanted Konoha for himself, why not let Pain kill off the current Hokage then he can take over, just like he did. As for the 9 tails :shrug:.

 

[Method]

Thinking of deceptive ways to become hokage xd He even mentions during the Pain attack that he doesn't want to help so that he can become hokage.

Maybe Kishi didn't invent Danzo at the Oro attack. As for the Pein attack he wanted Konoha for himself, why not let Pain kill off the current Hokage then he can take over, just like he did. As for the 9 tails :shrug:.

Yh i know that part xd But what im saying is he let countless people die (from his own village that he wanted to take over) so he could gain the position...3rd let a single clan get killed off...danzo let the whole village get killed off :scorps:..if it wasent for nagato he would of been leader to afew kids and his root members xd

 

[kakashi owns all]

I've already said all that needs to be said and provided facts that prove he's a poor leader while all you've done is ramble on about him being a good leader with zero proof.

I don't need to say anymore.

what have i said that you dont get

 

[ll BL4CKM00N ll]

I don't think he was a bad leader. Yes some things could have been handled differently but in the whole scheme of things I think he was a good leader, a little soft but a good leader none the less. The uchiha massacre was out of control just because he's hokage doesnt make his world law. Being hokage is like being the president, he was sure that reconciliation was the answer but he was "overuled" meaning there was nothin he could do that's how politics work. But even after that he still tried everything he could but time ran out, and he mad up for this failure by protecting sasuke ( the little prick)... Orochimaru was like a son to Hizuren, his favorite an star student, killing him would be like killing Asuma. Yes i agree it was a bad call but come on even kakashi acknowledged the emotional stress the third must have gone through. (Basically a lower scale of Wat itachi must have felt after the massacre, and Wat gaara's uncle felt when he attacked him) As for the orphanage, it was made pretty clear with the threat that if they try tried to tell Hizuren bad things would fall upon them. Hizuren is the light an Danzo is the dark of konoha. Danzo will obtain Wat he wants and sees appropriate for konoha at any an anyone's cost (he almost ****ed up the alliance befour it even started) Hizuren wants the the solution where everyone can be happy without any strife an bad blood. Which will always be hardest. So that bein said I don't think he a bad leader but yes I agree he could have been a little bit more firm. :shrug: