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Many didn't seem to catch it, but Itachi DID use Izanami and it was shown in the manga. Izanami is a jutsu used to breathe life into unliving things. In this chapter he uses it to bring the cave surrounding Kabuto to life and use it against him.

This also confirms one idea and supports another: Izanagi combined with Izanami is Banbutsu Sozo, Creation of all Things. Izanagi is used to create form from nothing and Izanami is then used to breathe life into it.

Izanagi creates reality from illusion, you could call a rotation/conversion from Yin to Yang. Izanami breathes life into an illusion, rotation from Yang to Yin. The Uchiha are Yin oriented and the Senju are Yang oriented. This would indicate why Senju DNA is required to use either technique, to bolster the Uchiha's naturally weak Yang chakra.

If this is to be believed it would further indicate that Senju DNA is required for Edo Tensei and Itachi possesses it due to being Kabuto's zombie (Zombuto?).

Kabuto uses a technique called "Inanimate Transmigration." Transmigration is the belief that, as a part of the process of reincarnation, the soul enters a lifeless body. This sounds remarkably identical to Izanami. Did Kabuto just demonstrate that he has the same power? Also this technique sounds very similar to Edo Tensei, just that the body and soul are specific.

Also, for those confused: Sennin translates to "Sage" or "Hermit" so the "Hermit of the Six Paths" is almost definitely a mis-translation. Apparently the translator doesn't read the manga.

Lastly, I was disappointed with this chapter. Not enough talk-no-jutsu surrounding Izanami and too much around kiddo Kabuto. For Itachi to be so sure of this technique, it seems kind of ill-suited for the fight. I honestly feel that knowing Kabuto's childhood does very little for the story and just fills pages so Kishi doesn't have to reveal more than one fact per issue. It feels like what is a good plot, is being stretched into as many issues as possible and each issue ends up with very little substance. This is kind of the whole style of Naruto but I can't help but feel that earlier issues were more than "one fact and 16 pages of filler".
Seeing as in 25 pages I'm the only one that seems to think that Itachi did indeed use Izanami, I'm going to repost here. Either this just got buried and nobody read it or I'm just way off.

I too had forgotten about Anko, it seemed like Kabuto just needed her as an Orochimaru-chakra battery.
 
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Uchiha Heikou, I've made several posts stating that Itachi might have used Izanami and even provided reasons as to why I think so. While his post did get buried, I did read it. I chose not respond to that particular point because of the following reasons:
1. Kabuto brought the cave to life to use against Itachi, not the other way round.
2. While his theory on Izanagi, Izanami and Banbutsu Sozo are interesting, he contradicted himself in his own post as far as I can tell. I wish there was more data to back up that theory/opinion.

The theory about Zombuto makes no sense to me, unfortunately. I need it explained a bit. Plus, there is no substantial evidence that the Edo Tensei was used on people augmented with the first Hokage's cells. We don't even know where he got the subjects to use it on, since he prepared it before meeting Tobi to the best of my knowledge. It's not Senju DNA that matters, since not all of them seem to have had the Mokuton. Truly speaking, I feel like I don't even know if that is the power that the Sage Left his younger son in full. After all, he left the son his life-force. Does that include chakra, I don't know. While the next point I make isn't a good theory, the Uzumaki's with their longevity possibly have a greater portion of the Sage's life force. I'm sure this theory can be negated at least somewhat, but I have to throw it out there.

I'd hoped he'd be back, maybe see what I had to say about the topic and respond. Now that you have brought it up, I hope both of you will consider my points as well as explain that theory better. I look forward to the discussion. I'd also like to hear your thoughts about why Kabuto needs such a chakra battery or any of the related questions!

Thoughts everyone?
 
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I Thot it was interesting to learn about kabuto. Maybe he'll learn who he really is.
As for itachi trying to be a hero he messed up ciz there was no need
 

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Hmmm...Kiiszame, do we know that really? Did he really mess up? Knowing Itachi, it is very hard to say. We'll have to wait for the reveal. Aslo, what are your thoughts on the subjects brought up by wonderer, ApplyPressure, Kurai Honoo and Uchiha Heikou?
 

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i thought, me has mentioned it, too, that izanami might be already active...but that theory indeed got washed away by a wave of complaints :-D
and i'm still thinkin it was executed.
so chakraSage and uchiha heikou, you are not alone!
 

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So many people are complaining about this chapter because of the flashbacks, already... I liked it, regardless of the fact that not half of it was placed in the present.

When I first read it I had just woken up, so reading it the first time around, half sleep and what not, I was a little impatient, too. I liked the beginning with the Uchiha Brothers, but the sight of flashbacks made me unhappy. The fact that the flashbacks went all the way out to the end of the chapter also made me unhappy. It's true that so much of the chapter being flashbacks is an absolute pain, but Kishimoto is trying to show us something.

The first time I read this, I caught onto a parallel between Itachi and Kabuto and Sasuke and Naruto right away, though it's only a slight one. For Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto was the one with nothing at the beginning and Sasuke was the one with at least someone else. For Kabuto and Itachi, you can put them in the same roles. Swap Naruto out for Kabuto and Sasuke out for Itachi.

But just because Itachi had things didn't mean he wasn't lost growing up. Didn't mean he had everything while Kabuto was out somewhere with nothing; neither had a solid, even faded, grip of who they truly were. Kishi is trying to compare Itachi and Kabuto and show that they can sympathize with each other. He's trying to, with these flashbacks, give us a look at why Kabuto is the way he is now.

He had nothing then, so now he wants everything. He was nothing, so now he wants to be someone important. Like with the way he starts talking about leading Akatsuki as a sort of right-hand, as well as holding some control over the outcome of the war and actually being able to fight the Uchiha Brothers at this point. Right now he sees himself as someone with power and control over other things and people; someone crucial to an outcome, a result. Someone that's making a difference, good or bad. Obviously, in his case, it's bad, right now.

And yet the second time I read this that's what I wondered about. I recently heard a song where, at one point, one person asks another what they see when they look at themselves - F~ck You by Archive - and thought of Kabuto, if he were to stand in front of the Waterfall of Truth. What would actually come out to meet him? The person he once was, who wanted a place in the world that he rightfully belonged in and was needed in? I think that's exactly what he'd see.

But right now he sees himself differently. At one point in this chapter Itachi talked about being able to face what you can and cannot do. Kabuto, right now, thinks he can do everything and that Itachi is just saying that because he "knows" he'll "lose." That isn't the case, though. The reason we see Naruto in one panel and he talks about comrades and such is because he's, partially, making a reference to what he told Naruto earlier on, about letting others help you. Everyone has their own skills and their own weaknesses, no matter what. Kabuto thinks he's high and mighty right now, but he's not. Because, like the way Naruto has, say, Shikamaru to plan while he fights and so forth, Itachi has Sasuke there - well, I'm not sure about right now because of what Kabuto is about to do - to cover his weaknesses and help his already strong points.

Kabuto doesn't get that everyone needs comrades. He doesn't get that a single person cannot do everything - and that, if anyone could, it wouldn't be him. The flashbacks are meant to show us he wanted someone and to be needed, but right now it seems, to me, like he has so much power that it's going to his head, absolutely, and the place in the world he wanted, with other people, is buried away, or perhaps long gone.

I'm done ranting for now; I have to go to school.

My Rating of Naruto Chapter 582: 4/5.
Excellent post! Great view on the concept of Naruto series! from YPOV it made me like the chapter. Would rated a 4 after your toughts. Keep it up
 
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Hi Eisenpelz, I'm glad that you agree. Do you think I'm right about Itachi's eye being closed? Even if that doesn't represent the Izanami, that would be an interesting thing. It's on the bottom right panel on the page below.

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That said, I'm so glad that Killa B brought up YoItsJo's post. I really liked that one myself for it's analysis of the characters. When I got here, I read all three of her posts and somehow lost track of this one. The other ones were mostly a reaction to people's complaints and I didn't want to respond to those. I'm embarrassed now that I didn't go back and double check all her posts.

I do indeed see the parallels she draws between Kabuto-Itachi and Naruto-Sasuke. I'm not sure I agree with her interpretation of what he'll see at the falls of truth, but it seems quite likely. I have to say that she is the only person to really consider what having Sasuke for a partner means other than me. Most people ignored the fact that Sasuke protected Itachi in return. Partners have each other's backs!

I have to say that YoItsJo caught something I completely missed. While the flashback doesn't satisfy my need to know about Kabuto's past, it certainly shows everyone his motivation. Something we just did not know before. It's impossible to know a person without knowing their motivation and purpose, so this is really a crucial chapter in its own way.

Next, I have to say that I just don't understand this part of her post:
But right now he sees himself differently. At one point in this chapter Itachi talked about being able to face what you can and cannot do. Kabuto, right now, thinks he can do everything and that Itachi is just saying that because he "knows" he'll "lose." That isn't the case, though.
There's more to that post than most others I've read. I noticed that she analysed Itachi's motivations as well, something I've been doing myself. I've always wondered why someone like Itachi would think that the Tsukuyomi and consequent brain damage were the right way to do things with Sasuke. This in some sense may even begin to explain it a little bit. It seems like it is only after death that Itachi is learning these lessons about himself. Clearly, war and life of a ninja have put a great strain on a number of people.

Kabuto being enthralled with his power, growing too big for his boots is something I agree with. But rather than the part of him that needs acceptance getting buried, I believe that the whole thing comes from that very instinct being twisted. It seems to me that he sees being feared for his power as a form of being accepted and acknowledged. There are parallels to Naruto here. Anyway, it's hard to sympathize when there are shining examples of how people (in narutoverse and otherwise) deal with hard situations.
 
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Squigles, I do grant that you have a point with them being taken by surprise. I only pointed that out because Itachi is both clever and paranoid, something that leads to him planning very far ahead. Your idea about Itachi trying to draw Kabuto closer might be true, but somehow - call it a hunch - I feel that it was just surprise or some other problem.
Right now, the level of Kabuto's power and the depth of his techniques is clearly unknown. We've seen Edo Tensei, we've seen Dragon Sage mode. We've seen him expertly use medical jutsu in a way that rivals any other ninja known in the naruto world.

I've always said Kabuto is one of the most powerful ninja in the series, simply because he's always been very skilled and resourceful. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got even more up his sleeve, and really gives Itachi and Sasuke a run for their money.

In that sense, I wouldn't be shocked to see more 'surprises.'

You brought up an excellent point about un-summoning individuals. I'm not sure he can do that, since there is no data, but it does seem likely since he can summon individuals. Is it the Genjutsu? Is it Kabuto's desire for a challenge, to foolishly prove his superiority and might? Villains often do such stupid things when they could theoretically win. I don't know, but given the flashback, it seems plausible.
Edo Tensei is a summoning technique which brings the soul of the person back from the dead, into a new vessel that was prepared just for that person. So far, we've seen Kabuto summon individuals, small groups, and large groups of people using Edo Tensei. We've seen him unsummon individuals (deidara), and we've seen him exert a precise level of control over each individual person.

Some of them have been mindless slaves sent to simply kill others. Some of them have been left with a little of their prior knowledge and humanity, capable of making some decisions, but mostly still being forced to obey Kabuto. Then there are a few specific ones who have been given free reign over their actions, like Madara.

If Kabuto can summon so many people using Edo Tensei, control each one of them on specific individual levels, and decide what level of control to use for each individual one, then it's only natural to conclude that he can also summon/unsummon them individually.

Which means that logically, if Kabuto was able to unsummon Itachi, then that would have been the best course of action as soon as he was put under Shisui's genjutsu. As a result of Shisui's genjutsu, Kabuto lost Nagato as an Edo Tensei, which was one of the more powerful ones he was able to summon, aside from Madara.

So yeah, if it were an option, he would have exercised it by now, since he's obviously more than capable of doing so.

You mentioned the possibility of Izanami already being in effect. I theorize that the activation of the jutsu or the ending of the jutsu might be the cause for Itachi getting hurt. I base this on the fact that Itachi's right eye was closed (Is it from pain or due to losing a Sharingan to Izanami) right before he regenerated, sharingan included. It's impressive if he managed to save Sasuke under those conditions. This begs two questions:
1. Was the Izanami in effect, based on the above? Is my observation at least accurate, even if my interpretation is wrong?
2. Will the Sharingan regenerated by the Edo Tensei after the use of Izanami be of any use?
3. Was Sasuke distracted for some really important reason? Why did Itachi tell him to stick close?
4. Is it certain that one will lose eyesight after the Izanami? Do we have cold hard facts? If not, will there be another sacrifice or no sacrifice at all?
Itachi's right eye wasn't 'closed,' it was blacked out, like it was an empty socket. Basically a result of the reanimation effect of edo tensei, his eye just hadn't come back yet. Also, the side effect of Izanagi isn't that the eye just loses it's sight, it's that it becomes sealed, like if someone had used a sealing jutsu on it. That's not something that can be undone or reversed by Edo Tensei, I don't think.

As far as Izanami goes, I don't think it's been used yet, all we've seen is that 'it's ready.' My earlier post was just to indicate that Itachi had the technique prepped and ready to go, and was just waiting for the opportunity to use it.

I'm pretty certain that Izanami will carry the same side effects as Izanagi.

NarutoMinato raised a rather interesting point about the Amaterasu, one which I'd asked myself. I'm glad that you pointed out the use of the Susano'o squigles, because I hadn't realized the significance of it, even though the difference was clear in the examples I brought up. This brings up the following questions:
1. While the EMS provably returns the eyesight of the person in question, does it really protect one from all MS techniques? Could the use of Amaterasu cause further damage to the EMS where the Susano'o doesn't?
2. Are there other EMS techniques that cause bleeding or loss of vision?
3. Why is the case of using Amaterasu through the susano'o (Blaze release Magatama and Amaterasu coated arrows) different?
I don't think his eye bleeding has anything to do with MS or EMS. I think it has everything to do with just that one technique. For some reason Kishi decided that it would cause the user's eye to bleed, but not all the time. I also don't think that once the user has EMS, that any techniques used would cause blindness.

I theorized earlier that the EMS might still cause blindness due to some techniques or pose another risk. (Most high level techniques in Kishi's world pose a risk and are not risk free, afaik.) Was it due to this that Madara sought out the power of Hashirama (life force and healing from the Mokuton to restore his eyes) and did he really gain a bit of Hashirama's power? Did that cause the evolution of the Rinnegan? I know that this theory is a bit wild, but it is possible to some extent. In any case, I'm curious.
Basically, both the Uchiha and the Senju were given the power to control the Bijuu. I believe that the only Senju so far who's been able to control the Bijuu on the same level as an Uchiha, since the So6P, has been Hashirama, due to his wood element release.

I think that Madara discovered his ability to control the Bijuu with his Sharingan, but realized that Wood Element release could trump his control, and that the only true way to control the Bijuu, was to combine the Wood Element with the Sharingan, which is what we saw Danzou attempt to do.

I don't believe that Hashirama's DNA had anything to do with Izanagi, Izanami, or the Rinnegan. I'm fairly certain that when Madara acquired Hashirama's DNA, it wasn't an immediate power up like an episode of DBZ. It was more along the lines of 'I got his DNA, back to the lab to experiment' and he was only able to use it's power long after the fight.

We know that there's a lot more to the story than what we've been told, and I highly doubt that the fight and other events played out like many of these other fans think they did.

Finally, I'd like to point out that Kabuto called himself closer to the Sage of the Six Path's than anyone else. This suggests to me that he might have made further body modifications. However, it could be because he gave life through the Muki Tensei. Thoughts everyone?
I think it's absolutely possible that Kabuto made numerous other body modifications. He's sitting here basking in his 'infinite power' while bragging about using Hashirama's DNA to complete Edo Madara to beyond what he was in his prime.

What's to stop Kabuto from using Hashirama's DNA on himself? All he needs is a big enough boner for the idea, and it's as good as done.
 

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Right now, the level of Kabuto's power and the depth of his techniques is clearly unknown. We've seen Edo Tensei, we've seen Dragon Sage mode. We've seen him expertly use medical jutsu in a way that rivals any other ninja known in the naruto world.

I've always said Kabuto is one of the most powerful ninja in the series, simply because he's always been very skilled and resourceful. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got even more up his sleeve, and really gives Itachi and Sasuke a run for their money.

In that sense, I wouldn't be shocked to see more 'surprises.'



Edo Tensei is a summoning technique which brings the soul of the person back from the dead, into a new vessel that was prepared just for that person. So far, we've seen Kabuto summon individuals, small groups, and large groups of people using Edo Tensei. We've seen him unsummon individuals (deidara), and we've seen him exert a precise level of control over each individual person.

Some of them have been mindless slaves sent to simply kill others. Some of them have been left with a little of their prior knowledge and humanity, capable of making some decisions, but mostly still being forced to obey Kabuto. Then there are a few specific ones who have been given free reign over their actions, like Madara.

If Kabuto can summon so many people using Edo Tensei, control each one of them on specific individual levels, and decide what level of control to use for each individual one, then it's only natural to conclude that he can also summon/unsummon them individually.

Which means that logically, if Kabuto was able to unsummon Itachi, then that would have been the best course of action as soon as he was put under Shisui's genjutsu. As a result of Shisui's genjutsu, Kabuto lost Nagato as an Edo Tensei, which was one of the more powerful ones he was able to summon, aside from Madara.

So yeah, if it were an option, he would have exercised it by now, since he's obviously more than capable of doing so.



Itachi's right eye wasn't 'closed,' it was blacked out, like it was an empty socket. Basically a result of the reanimation effect of edo tensei, his eye just hadn't come back yet. Also, the side effect of Izanagi isn't that the eye just loses it's sight, it's that it becomes sealed, like if someone had used a sealing jutsu on it. That's not something that can be undone or reversed by Edo Tensei, I don't think.

As far as Izanami goes, I don't think it's been used yet, all we've seen is that 'it's ready.' My earlier post was just to indicate that Itachi had the technique prepped and ready to go, and was just waiting for the opportunity to use it.

I'm pretty certain that Izanami will carry the same side effects as Izanagi.



I don't think his eye bleeding has anything to do with MS or EMS. I think it has everything to do with just that one technique. For some reason Kishi decided that it would cause the user's eye to bleed, but not all the time. I also don't think that once the user has EMS, that any techniques used would cause blindness.



Basically, both the Uchiha and the Senju were given the power to control the Bijuu. I believe that the only Senju so far who's been able to control the Bijuu on the same level as an Uchiha, since the So6P, has been Hashirama, due to his wood element release.

I think that Madara discovered his ability to control the Bijuu with his Sharingan, but realized that Wood Element release could trump his control, and that the only true way to control the Bijuu, was to combine the Wood Element with the Sharingan, which is what we saw Danzou attempt to do.

I don't believe that Hashirama's DNA had anything to do with Izanagi, Izanami, or the Rinnegan. I'm fairly certain that when Madara acquired Hashirama's DNA, it wasn't an immediate power up like an episode of DBZ. It was more along the lines of 'I got his DNA, back to the lab to experiment' and he was only able to use it's power long after the fight.

We know that there's a lot more to the story than what we've been told, and I highly doubt that the fight and other events played out like many of these other fans think they did.



I think it's absolutely possible that Kabuto made numerous other body modifications. He's sitting here basking in his 'infinite power' while bragging about using Hashirama's DNA to complete Edo Madara to beyond what he was in his prime.

What's to stop Kabuto from using Hashirama's DNA on himself? All he needs is a big enough boner for the idea, and it's as good as done.
His eye doesn't become sealed but it becomes "blind for eternity" if you can trust the manga. Therefor Itachi could just destroy/rip out his own eye and a new,un-blinded? eye would come.Even if the eye would get sealed,the self- destroying of ones eye would make Edo Tensei negate the seal. Just hoping edo's don't feel pain. :D
 
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after a veeeery close look, i'm coming to the following opinion.
that dark "thing" what looks like itachi's right eye without the pupil,
that is an empty or damaged eyehole, aaand the reason for this is the cave-smash from kabuto.
punish me ;-)
 

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His eye doesn't become sealed but it becomes "blind for eternity" if you can trust the manga. Therefor Itachi could just destroy/rip out his own eye and a new,un-blinded? eye would come.Even if the eye would get sealed,the self- destroying of ones eye would make Edo Tensei negate the seal. Just hoping edo's don't feel pain. :D
It doesn't really matter how it's worded. If Edo Tensei allowed for Izanagi spam, it would be pretty stupid.
 

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This was a good chapter. I admit the background of Kabuto took more pages than I expected, I rate this 4/5 in the fact that the chapter makes perfect sense and I dont agree with others saying this was just a crap. I think those guys are like elementary or highschool student who does not give a sh*t on character development but just pure action. Its a good to know information specially Kabuto is one of the main Villain now in the Narutoverse.
 

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This is a very below average chapter. For one what in the world did Itachi have to protect Sasuke for when he can use susanoo as well? Second of all it's nothing but boring flashbacks when it should've been about izanami going from what we had last week.

The title is exactly appropriate for a trash chapter like this, "Nothing".

1/5
i did get something out of it; kabuto's weaknes are his glasses did saw that?
 

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the chapter is a bit of a let down frm the anticipation of wht izanami might be....back story are good to kill time but it wasn't needed in this chapter....and yea it is a bit weird tht sasuke sharingan bleeds even though he has ems!:sy:
 

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I can't believe all of you guys are saying the chap sucked.. no fighting.. bla bla.. guess what? There is such a thing called character development. I always liked Kabuto and his past was NEVER told so ofcourse Kishi needed to tell the past of one of the main antagonists(and his past WILL continue next week too). Of course the chap had small problems, but NO WAY in hell does it suck. I think most of the people here who read naruto are less than 13 yr olds or at least have a brain like that. This chapter was far better than the other recent chapters.
 
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