Minato and Jiraiya vs Uchiha Bro's

[Bogard]

actually it would have worked better for him if he did use genjutsu, disable one, then by a touch of his hand he could suck them up , and what? itachi still used genjutsu when it was 5 v 1, i don't get your point

Yeah Itachi managed to use genjutsu on Naruto because they were just standing and looking at him. But what i'm saying is that the 2 were attacking as well, so must had time to watch out the 2 of them. The time to cast a genjutsu to one, and he could have been killed by the other one.

Just see it here:
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(just the time one throws the kunai and the other is already behind casting his jutsu)
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(Just the time Tobi has time to surprise one from behind, the other one throws a kunai)
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(here they are two attacking from forward. One just get passed through him and the other is already there)

As you see, he couldn't have time to take care of one alone that the other was already there. That make the use of genjutsu really difficult.

 

[Bogard]

To Owarij and Bogard, the reason Tobi doesn't use genjutsu is because, he wears a mask and its almost impossible for the enemy to see his eye, Deidara was his patner and he never saw it, give it a rest and stay on topic.

It doesn't make sense because his mask did nothing here:

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Even with the mask he was able to do a genjutsu to Kyubi through Kushina to control him.
And he was far from her as you can see here:

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[~Uzumaki~]

and what about shee , raikage, kurenai, asuma etc? they had no idea that such a method of fighting would be even possible untill gai mentioned it.. then they said gai is probably the only person in konoha who can pull it off... minato will magically know how to do that?

How did Minato magically know how to get Tobi? He correctly deduced that making his attack a split second faster will result in victory, nobody has even come up with that? Why? Because most people can't manipulate time in that manner. Its called using your brain to think of how to counter an opponent based on your abilities, Guy's high level of taijutsu is why he can even fight while not making eye contact he's the only person that will consider such an idea because he's capable of using it, Kabuto reached a different conclusion-to cover his eyes, Zabuza's was to use Kirigakure no jutsu and close his eyes, only they can do that, Minato has FTG, with that, close combat is irrelevant since he can just get his seal in range and teleport behind you, he can use Guy's method.

 

[Owarij]

How did Minato magically know how to get Tobi? He correctly deduced that making his attack a split second faster will result in victory, nobody has even come up with that? Why? Because most people can't manipulate time in that manner. Its called using your brain to think of how to counter an opponent based on your abilities, Guy's high level of taijutsu is why he can even fight while not making eye contact he's the only person that will consider such an idea because he's capable of using it, Kabuto reached a different conclusion-to cover his eyes, Zabuza's was to use Kirigakure no jutsu and close his eyes, only they can do that, Minato has FTG, with that, close combat is irrelevant since he can just get his seal in range and teleport behind you, he can use Guy's method.

fu and torune did come up with the whole " we need to attack while he solidifies himself to attack us"

but they didn't have the tools to do it... aka an even faster space time than tobi's..

and as for your zabuza thing, he used it , and still when he was close to kakashi, still looked into his eyes, kisame looked into kakshi's eyes, sigh so many people

 

[~Uzumaki~]

It doesn't make sense because his mask did nothing here:

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Even with the mask he was able to do a genjutsu to Kyubi through Kushina to control him.
And he was far from her as you can see here:

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I can't really explain how he went inside Kushina to do this, this could be how he controlled Yagura....hmmm. The only explanation is that he did an advanced form of what Sasuke did to Naruto-he went inside Kushina and performed a jutsu as a result of the seal being so weak.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

fu and torune did come up with the whole " we need to attack while he solidifies himself to attack us"

but they didn't have the tools to do it... aka an even faster space time than tobi's..

and as for your zabuza thing, he used it , and still when he was close to kakashi, still looked into his eyes, kisame looked into kakshi's eyes, sigh so many people

Actually in their battle Zabuza blinded himself with Mist and closed his eyes that was why Kakashi's dogs could get to him and he couldn't move in time to avoid them, his eyes were still closed, when the dogs caught him, he then opened his eyes and the fog cleared. Zabuza wasn't caught in hypnosis. Kakashi had to resort to dogs.
Fu, Torune used a plan to try and make Tobi solidify then attack him, not to change the timing of their attack, similar but different in execution and success.

 

[Waltz]

Are you aware of that Itachis fight against Sasuke was a fake? Amaterasu arises directly in the Mangekyous field of vision. Are you telling me that someone can escape from a humans sight by just running away? Altough the Sharingan is able to see through movements?

@ the bolded: You clearly have no idea what your saying.
Please read the manga beofre commenting. specifically, Read the Fight, Itachi vs Sasuke then come again bro.

Isn't that obvious? He is bigger than Susanoo. He even managed to put an entire Kyubi down. And Kyubi is much more powerful than Susanoo

I dont think so. theres no way Gamabunta could take down Susanoo. He'd probably get sealed trying to do so.

uchiha bro's win with mid diffcult why itachi is the key factor control destiny and rewrite events enough said.speed dont mean shit when you control reality.:scorps:

If while alive itachi could've used izanami, why did he lose to sasuke? run from Jiraiya and Retreated when he was facing Guy, Kakashi and kurenai?

 

[Bogard]

I dont think so. theres no way Gamabunta could take down Susanoo. He'd probably get sealed trying to do so.

I'm not hoping that Gamabunta could handle Susanoo. It's obvious he will get sealed if it turns bad. But i'm saying Gamabunta will buy time to Minato like he did against Kyubi. Gamabunta is massiv. If Minato summons it on the Susanoo, i think even Susanoo could be in difficulty, and Minato could take advantage of this situation by blitzing them with his speed or FTG.

Another option is that Minato can put his seals everywhere as well. More the fight last long, more Minato will be on his advantage because more the land will be covered by his kunais and seals jutsus. So it could continue so that Itachi and Sasuke couldn't even have marge more to continue fighting because Minato could teleport everywhere.

If for example Itachi or Sasuke stays under one of his kunai or seals without that they have noticed that quickly, Minato will teleport quickly to them and it's also over.

Don't forget Minato isn't only his kunais. He can put his seals everywhere. So someone like Sasuke who is too hasty when he fights could fail to notice it in time. Itachi has more chance though because he is clever as well, but as said before, more the time will pass, more Minato will be on his advantage.

 

[Owarij]

@ the bolded: You clearly have no idea what your saying.
Please read the manga beofre commenting. specifically, Read the Fight, Itachi vs Sasuke then come again bro.

I dont think so. theres no way Gamabunta could take down Susanoo. He'd probably get sealed trying to do so.


If while alive itachi could've used izanami, why did he lose to sasuke? run from Jiraiya and Retreated when he was facing Guy, Kakashi and kurenai?

why did he lose to sasuke? urm because his intent from the very beggining was to fight and die by sasuke's hands?

why did he run from jriaya? Because he had no intention of killing konoha ninja? did you read what tobi said? what itachi's true reason on going to konoha was? for danzo

retreat when facing guy? read above ^

what? do you after reading the entire manga, still believe itachi came there to get naruto and give it to tobi??? :S ? really? , konoha was hands off territory as long as he was alive.. he went there only to warn danzo..

and you think itachi would just randomly use iznagi on any fight? he had to fight sasuke , his last fight, why would he want to do that with 1 eye?

 

[Waltz]

Minato is too fast for them. Hiraishin no jutsu is too much for them. Just remember how Tobi got owned, Tobi who is much more stronger than both of them

You cant be serious. So your saying because minato got 2 hits on tobi, and tobi is stronger than Itachi and Sasuke, that minato can solo them? redicilous

Here's how this fight is going to go

Minato - Jiraya, Jiraya starts in BASE...and requires 6tmins+ to enter sage mode and summon the two sage toads -source pain fight

Any frogs they summon can easily be controlled by 3 tomoe sharingan, and used against them, or killed off - source - Sasuke controlling manda

Jiraya in base mode CANNOT dodge amaterasu, he cannot hope to dodge amaterasu, and while he's burning in extreme pain, he isn't going to pull out any scroll and be able to seal it./.. not when it's all over his face

Minato , though there is no prrof what so ever that he won't look into itachi's eyes , it doesn't matter

if he does look into itachi's eyes, he's getting 1 shotted by tsukyomi, something he can't see coming and dodge

If he chooses gai's method, or something like it (which once again 0 proof he can do this ) , then he looks at itachi's feet, and CANNOT see amaterasu coming, which leaves him wide open to a blackflame on his face

Jiraiya has much knowledge of the Sharingan and it's techniques, you'd be foolish to think he'd be defeated that easily. 1st off J-man in base mode could dodge amaterasu. he's as fast as base sasuke.

I've never seen a summoning controlled by the sharingan before? are you implying that Itachi could control Nagato's summonings?

I've never seen Itachi spam Amaterasu or Genjutsu at the beginning of anyfight. he usually stands back and analyze - source kabuto fight, and every other fight

So you cant say he'll just hit Minato with amaterasu or genjutsu. Minato could put seals all around him and as you should know eyesight cannot keep up with FTG so itachi would get hit at somepoint.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Minato is the kind of opponent that you would need to face 1on1. Any distractions like Jiraiya or summoning toads and he can tag or kill you easily.

 

[Waltz]

why did he lose to sasuke? urm because his intent from the very beggining was to fight and die by sasuke's hands?

why did he run from jriaya? Because he had no intention of killing konoha ninja? did you read what tobi said? what itachi's true reason on going to konoha was? for danzo

retreat when facing guy? read above ^

what? do you after reading the entire manga, still believe itachi came there to get naruto and give it to tobi??? :S ? really? , konoha was hands off territory as long as he was alive.. he went there only to warn danzo..

and you think itachi would just randomly use iznagi on any fight? he had to fight sasuke , his last fight, why would he want to do that with 1 eye?

Weather or not it was to die by sasuke's hands dosen't make a difference... he lost the fight. Did he ever deny that? no.

@ Bold, lol your not serious? A guy who agreed to kill his clan would be scared to kill a single ninja? i dont think so. he knew he'd lose the fight. You dont retreat from a fight unless you know you cant win at the moment (like Minato FTG home with kushina and Naruto) or at all (like in itachi's example).

 

[Dantee]

You cant be serious. So your saying because minato got 2 hits on tobi, and tobi is stronger than Itachi and Sasuke, that minato can solo them? redicilous



Jiraiya has much knowledge of the Sharingan and it's techniques, you'd be foolish to think he'd be defeated that easily. 1st off J-man in base mode could dodge amaterasu. he's as fast as base sasuke.

I've never seen a summoning controlled by the sharingan before? are you implying that Itachi could control Nagato's summonings?

I've never seen Itachi spam Amaterasu or Genjutsu at the beginning of anyfight. he usually stands back and analyze - source kabuto fight, and every other fight

So you cant say he'll just hit Minato with amaterasu or genjutsu. Minato could put seals all around him and as you should know eyesight cannot keep up with FTG so itachi would get hit at somepoint.

So much failure it's not even funny. Wow your whole post is a complete fail.

1st off Base Jiraya or Sm Jiraya is not as fast as Sasuke. When has Jiraya been known to be fast? When has he blitzed anyone? He can dodge amaterasu what a joke.

Kyuubi was controlled by a sharigan. Manda was controlled via sharigan by Sasuke. You don't think Itachi who is superior in genjutsu by all means won't be able to replicate this feat?

Itachi does not spam amaterasu but you're saying Itachi doesn't spam genjutsu. :sy: That's his main fighting style. :sy: Give me one fight Itachi does not start off with genjutsu.

Bee has easily countered ftg by just knowing where he will teleport. Itachi can counter ftg kunais by just deflecting them with shuriken like he did Sasuke. FTG is not hard to counter or figure out just stay away from the seals. Sharigan is able to see seals.

Not to mention Izanami that has yet to be revealed.

EMS Sasuke greatly overpowers Jiraya.
Itachi >>> Minato.

 

[Bogard]

You cant be serious. So your saying because minato got 2 hits on tobi, and tobi is stronger than Itachi and Sasuke, that minato can solo them? redicilous

He could even have killed Tobi if it wasn't the scenario. Because in the scene when he stab Tobi with a kunai, he could have cut his head but it wasn't good if Tobi had die at that time.
And yes i think Tobi is stronger than both of them. Since Itachi was alive, he never even tried to kill Tobi and there must be a reason. The reason is that he couldn't do it. Tobi knew all about him. Itachi doesn't even know one thing about Tobi. Proof is that he think Tobi=Madara.

So you cant say he'll just hit Minato with amaterasu or genjutsu. Minato could put seals all around him and as you should know eyesight cannot keep up with FTG so itachi would get hit at somepoint.

As you say, i don't even see Amaterasu working because he can either seal it like Jiraya does, or even teleport the flames away. And as said before he is too fast for genjutsus.

 

[MorphyRulez]

If while alive itachi could've used izanami, why did he lose to sasuke? run from Jiraiya and Retreated when he was facing Guy, Kakashi and kurenai?

Really? C'mon dude, What are you reading after all? He just said in previous chapter. "I'm Konoha's Itachi". He doesnt need to fight against any Konoha's Shinobi. For Sasuke read whole manga again please maybe you get this point.

 

[Owarij]

that puppydoggeneral guy posted so much fail , i'm not gonna reply, if after this entire manga, he hasn't realized itachi is with konoha, and killed his clan to protect the VILLAGE, because his clan were gonna try and overthrow the hokage, then you're not worth arguing

Jiraiya has much knowledge of the Sharingan and it's techniques, you'd be foolish to think he'd be defeated that easily. 1st off J-man in base mode could dodge amaterasu. he's as fast as base sasuke.

I've never seen a summoning controlled by the sharingan before? are you implying that Itachi could control Nagato's summonings?

I've never seen Itachi spam Amaterasu or Genjutsu at the beginning of anyfight. he usually stands back and analyze - source kabuto fight, and every other fight

So you cant say he'll just hit Minato with amaterasu or genjutsu. Minato could put seals all around him and as you should know eyesight cannot keep up with FTG so itachi would get hit at somepoint.

Right, jiraya has tons of knowledge of the abilities of sharingan? which is why when itachi used amaterasu, he has absolutely no idea what it was, had to seal it in a scroll?

you haven't seen sharingan control summons? /sigh, go back and re watch sauske vs deidara

itachi doesn't use amaterasu and genjtusu at the beginning of fights? WTF MANGA are you reading? 90% of itachi's fights, he starts with genjtusu

 

[Waltz]

So much failure it's not even funny. Wow your whole post is a complete fail.

1st off Base Jiraya or Sm Jiraya is not as fast as Sasuke. When has Jiraya been known to be fast? When has he blitzed anyone? He can dodge amaterasu what a joke.

Kyuubi was controlled by a sharigan. Manda was controlled via sharigan by Sasuke. You don't think Itachi who is superior in genjutsu by all means won't be able to replicate this feat?

Itachi does not spam amaterasu but you're saying Itachi doesn't spam genjutsu. :sy: That's his main fighting style. :sy: Give me one fight Itachi does not start off with genjutsu.

Bee has easily countered ftg by just knowing where he will teleport. Itachi can counter ftg kunais by just deflecting them with shuriken like he did Sasuke. FTG is not hard to counter or figure out just stay away from the seals. Sharigan is able to see seals. Not to mention Izanami that has yet to be revealed.

EMS Sasuke greatly overpowers Jiraya.
Itachi >>> Minato.

1st bold: lol!your failing hard! can sasuke do this?

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2nd bold: Kyuubi wasn't a summoning when it was controlled. Manda is a better example. but that dosn't prove anything. You have no valid proff itachi can do so. It's never been seen in the manga, if not where?

3rd bold: The fight with kabuto

4th bold: lol and spread them all around him right? look at my sig and see where the kunai would land. :sy:

Your logic level is interesting.

 

[Bogard]

EMS Sasuke greatly overpowers Jiraya.
Itachi >>> Minato.

Itachi is one of my favourite character in the mangas but i find it really funny the way other Itachi fans see him. That's why it's annoys me really because i like Itachi as well, but saying he is far more powerful than Minato is really funny. He is not even close to him. Stated in the manga.

 

[Owarij]

1st bold: lol!your failing hard! can sasuke do this?

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2nd bold: Kyuubi wasn't a summoning when it was controlled. Manda is a better example. but that dosn't prove anything. You have no valid proff itachi can do so. It's never been seen in the manga, if not where?

3rd bold: The fight with kabuto

4th bold: lol and spread them all around him right? look at my sig and see where the kunai would land. :sy:

Your logic level is interesting.

go read the databooks, the exact genjutsu used to control summonings, is used to control tailed beast.. and itachi got mangekyou sharingan, thus he's able to control tailed beast, controlling a boss summon , which only requires 3 tomoe or less, will be nothing to him, not to mention he's better at genjtusu than sasuke

arguing with someone like you is truly a fools errand

back to uzumaki16

Jiraiya has much knowledge of the Sharingan and it's techniques, you'd be foolish to think he'd be defeated that easily. 1st off J-man in base mode could dodge amaterasu. he's as fast as base sasuke.

I've never seen a summoning controlled by the sharingan before? are you implying that Itachi could control Nagato's summonings?

I've never seen Itachi spam Amaterasu or Genjutsu at the beginning of anyfight. he usually stands back and analyze - source kabuto fight, and every other fight

So you cant say he'll just hit Minato with amaterasu or genjutsu. Minato could put seals all around him and as you should know eyesight cannot keep up with FTG so itachi would get hit at somepoint.

it's actually sad to see how you minato fans overate him...

allow me to get the scan of jiraya himself talkign to naruto and tsunade saying that minato died young , before he could live up to his potential to match most top tier ninja, and surpass everyone?

If you want to go by hype

Jiraya- "That man.. he's truly out of this world"
Itachi's instructor -"i've never seen a better genius than itachi in all my years of as being an instructor"

zetsu- " With that offence and defence.. itachi is invincible"

kurenai " His speed and execution of jutsu is superhuman!"

i can go on and on

 

[Waltz]

that puppydoggeneral guy posted so much fail , i'm not gonna reply, if after this entire manga, he hasn't realized itachi is with konoha, and killed his clan to protect the VILLAGE, because his clan were gonna try and overthrow the hokage, then you're not worth arguing

i agree. it's that the obvious

Right, jiraya has tons of knowledge of the abilities of sharingan? which is why when itachi used amaterasu, he has absolutely no idea what it was, had to seal it in a scroll?

you haven't seen sharingan control summons? /sigh, go back and re watch sauske vs deidara

itachi doesn't use amaterasu and genjtusu at the beginning of fights? WTF MANGA are you reading? 90% of itachi's fights, he starts with genjtusu

Where did it say he had no idea what it was?

@ bold, i agree, 90%. not all his fights, most. so it still varies.