Analysis: Who the manga says is the strongest Hokage...

[Prince Charles]

In saying "How would Dan know about Hashirama's jutsu" ... Can the same not be said for Tsunade...?

I think what people are trying to say is, if Tsunade knows about Hashi's abilities, Dan would to. After all, they were together.

thats different tsunade was his grandchild pretty obviously she would know about her grandfathers jutsu as she showed in the fight with madara.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Your argument is still so weak. Go read the OP again.

can u stop saying read the op i did and it changes nothing. hiruzen is strong but not that strong if him, 2 anbu, and enma got owned in one jutsu that speaks volumes. and the fact is he just doesnt compare to other characters who his title would have led you to think he was stronger than. and your argument is weak if all you have is those statements and nothing to back it up just go.:flaw:

 

[The Riddlerr]

thats different tsunade was his grandchild pretty obviously she would know about her grandfathers jutsu as she showed in the fight with madara.

That's exactly the point though. If Tsunade knows about his powers, then it's pretty safe to assume Dan would know about them.

Tsunade was his granddaughter, but what you're forgetting is that her Sensei was Hashirama's Student.


There's a difference between knowing OF the jutsu and actually KNOWING the jutsu. One implies you've heard of them, the other implies you've seen them.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

People don't believe Hashirama's power existed... Does that mean his power is bullshit like you're making Rikudo out to be...? -.-"

wtf where in hell did i say hashirama's power is bullshit im here to help him.:shrug:

 

[TrollingSage]

yea when they heard about his strength, the considered HIM a fairytail

which means whoever heard of him completely thought his existence was FICTIONAL .... who would think that?

you think iruka thinks hiruzen was a story book tale ? ... is that what you're insinuating ?

iruka is 4 years younger than kakashi .. does kakashi think hashirama was just a story book character ?

As I've said, the way Kabuto says it, it seems its his power people considered a fairy tale. I mean think about it this way. There's a man called Hashirama who formed a peace treaty with Uchiha and formed the village of Konoha. Why will people not believe that. Its his power that people thought was a fairy tale.
Like Shikaku Nara says: Legends from the distant past are always exaggerated, but eventually, someone outdoes them… that's when new legends are born!
Thats the attitude that people have on legends or fairytales.

 

[Nadruto]

thats different tsunade was his grandchild pretty obviously she would know about her grandfathers jutsu as she showed in the fight with madara.

And you don't think that they shared knowledge/experiences? After all, they both wanted to be hokages, one should think they talked quite alot about the previous hokages then to. And as I stated before, many things about Hashirama is common knowledge/history in Konoha.

 

[Ryuu..]

can u stop saying read the op i did and it changes nothing. hiruzen is strong but not that strong if him, 2 anbu, and enma got owned in one jutsu that speaks volumes. and the fact is he just doesnt compare to other characters who his title would have led you to think he was stronger than. and your argument is weak if all you have is those statements and nothing to back it up just go.:flaw:

My argument is the manga, how can it be weak? You're a joke xd

 

[Prince Charles]

That's exactly the point though. If Tsunade knows about his powers, then it's pretty safe to assume Dan would know about them.

Tsunade was his granddaughter, but what you're forgetting is that her Sensei was Hashirama's Student.


There's a difference between knowing OF the jutsu and actually KNOWING the jutsu. One implies you've heard of them, the other implies you've seen them.

seem's legit.

 

[The Riddlerr]

can u stop saying read the op i did and it changes nothing. hiruzen is strong but not that strong if him, 2 anbu, and enma got owned in one jutsu that speaks volumes. and the fact is he just doesnt compare to other characters who his title would have led you to think he was stronger than. and your argument is weak if all you have is those statements and nothing to back it up just go.:flaw:

Wait wait wait... Not fighting someone means you got owned? Wtf? So I guess that Kumo dude who beat the fk out of Naruto is stronger than him, right? Cause y'know... Naruto wasn't fighting back or anything...

Epic fail is epic.

And the fact that Hiruzen is the only one WITH the title 'God of Shinobi' aside from Rikudo should stand as a testament to his power.

 

[silmarill]

I think its just like this: at some point indeed Hiruzen was considered to be the strongest
But because of plot and Kishi "changing his mind"? u shouldnt take everything just for granted.
The manga changes and im sure in part 1 he didnt thought as how the manga would develop till now
Characters need to become stronger , its only natural and bcs of that sometimes it can be a bit weird or unlogically

 

[Prince Charles]

That's exactly the point though. If Tsunade knows about his powers, then it's pretty safe to assume Dan would know about them.

Tsunade was his granddaughter, but what you're forgetting is that her Sensei was Hashirama's Student.


There's a difference between knowing OF the jutsu and actually KNOWING the jutsu. One implies you've heard of them, the other implies you've seen them.

Wait wait wait... Not fighting someone means you got owned? Wtf? So I guess that Kumo dude who beat the fk out of Naruto is stronger than him, right? Cause y'know... Naruto wasn't fighting back or anything...

Epic fail is epic.

And the fact that Hiruzen is the only one WITH the title 'God of Shinobi' aside from Rikudo should stand as a testament to his power.

damn dude i cant take you seriously without a avatar let me make one for you xd wat u want?

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

My argument is the manga, how can it be weak? You're a joke xd

yet you have nothing other than the statements to back it up please.

 

[Raito]

Hashirama was the strongest, people even considered him a fairy tail. Kishimoto contradicts himself often anyway, in the old series/manga Hiruzen was the strongest and Kishimoto has shown the power of the 1st Hokage with a Mokuton on Yamatos level. But now, in the current Manga, Kishimoto has shown th true stength of the 1st Hokage. The 3th Hokage wasnt the strongest, this was just a mistake by Kishimoto.

 

[The Riddlerr]

damn dude i cant take you seriously without a avatar let me make one for you xd wat u want?

Lol I'm quite capable of making avatar's, I just haven't gotten around to it yet lmao. Thanks anyway man.

 

[Kage Bunshin]

While I don't disagree with your post Ryuu, as each proof was taken from credible sources and should be taken as fact.. is it possible that some of these facts are slightly outdated?

We've heard that Hiruzen was considered the strongest of his time as well as the strongest hokage, and we've seen the stick in which he's truly been measured against...

while I'm not arguing with well stated and proven fact, you have to concede that it's a bit ridiculous... I mean Kishi's going slightly DBZ on us, powers keep rising at exponential rates and we're left to believe that Hiruzen was still stronger then practically everyone we've seen so far.. including Naruto and Sasuke

this growth is being used to show how powerful both Naruto and Sasuke are becoming and if we conclude that the information from the data books is still valid then Hiruzen would still be able to defeat practically everyone we've seen so far is a bit ridiculous, no?

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Wait wait wait... Not fighting someone means you got owned? Wtf? So I guess that Kumo dude who beat the fk out of Naruto is stronger than him, right? Cause y'know... Naruto wasn't fighting back or anything...

Epic fail is epic.

And the fact that Hiruzen is the only one WITH the title 'God of Shinobi' aside from Rikudo should stand as a testament to his power.

well unlike that the oro situation was dire and he was a mass muderer and psycho. and he actually did fight back as he summoned enma but stupid hiruzen let his emotions get in the way. its cuz of his mistakes that the village was attacked and he still failed as oro got his arm back. and his title and so6p is different okay tha sage was a actual god not a wimp who couldnt make proper decisions and cuz of that put his entire home in jeopardy utter stupidity. and it was a girl from kumo not guy so fail you dont even know your facts. and he has no feats to back it up.

 

[Raito]

@Kage Bunshin, I agree. I'm pretty sure Kishimoto by himself didn't think he would increase the level of the Shinobis so far. Therefore the first was shown with a Mokuton on Yamatos level when he fought as an Edo Tensei against Hiruzen.

 

[Ryuu..]

Hashirama was the strongest, people even considered him a fairy tail. Kishimoto contradicts himself often anyway, in the old series/manga Hiruzen was the strongest and Kishimoto has shown the power of the 1st Hokage with a Mokuton on Yamatos level. But now, in the current Manga, Kishimoto has shown th true stength of the 1st Hokage. The 3th Hokage wasnt the strongest, this was just a mistake by Kishimoto.

Opinion.

 

[Prince Charles]

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[Raito]

Opinion.

Come on, Kishimoto by himself would never estimated the power of characters like Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruto at the time when th Manga was going about Hiruzen. Kishimoto has increased the level far, during earlier they fought with a Tomoe Sharingan, Byakugan, medicore Genjutsus and elementary techniques, the characters now are able to use the Eternal Mangekyou, Biju Mode, Rinnegan and a Mokuton on Madaras current level. The current Manga isn't a comparison to the old one, get it in you head bro.