Analysis: Who the manga says is the strongest Hokage...

[Akatsuki wise guy]

i think the man reason why people are saying hashirama is the strongest instead of hiruzen is shippuden.

bear in mind that during part 1 hiruzen was all hype and no feats.
but here comes part 2 and more stuff about the senju and wood release and ms and all that start to cloud people's mind of the big picture kishimoto stated hiruzen was the strongest.

this may seem hard to believe only because we have no background knowledge on hiruzen's prime and only hashirama's.

he had med ninjutsu
mukoton
he was a senju

kabuto stated his power was like a fairy tail to the so6p.

with all that said its perfectly understandable to say hashirama> hiruzen's prime but the main problem is the lack of hirzuens feat and no background. im sticking with the AUTHORS words until the manga saids bluntly hashirama is the strongrst hokage

well how will you explain this...

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[MadaraHashirama]

But the manga already points to Hiruzen. Why are you so against this?

I'm not against it at all, infact I don't mind people saying Hiruzen > Hashirama, people can say Konohamaru > Rikudo for all I care.
The fact how people especially lately keep bringing up these facts, yes you're right, the Manga DID say Hiruzen is the strongest I can comepletely agree with you. Do you know what is really annoying? If people are trying to make theories about Hiruzen being strongest Hokage, and they are bringing up Anime facts, filler facts, like the battle between the Hokages was half filled with filler and half of the things some people are "claiming" here wasn't even said in the manga, you infact are the only one that makes a bit of sense to me. But, the only reason I can't stand this and why I'm so against this is because of the fact how it is said in the beginning in the manga, like 8 years ago, and lets be honest Ryuu, we didn't know about Rinnegan, we didn't know about Mangekyou Sharingan and all those goodies Uchiha's are getting under their mouth shoved by Kishimoto lately.
Just the way Kishi changed his mind and made it so Rinnegan is the next step of EMS, just the way Kishi changed his mind on so many things like Itachi actually being a good guy and such, he was also introduced in the beginning of the manga as a criminal and look now, Kishi changed his mind and he's actually a hero lol.

 

[Ryuu..]

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you didnt even counter this so dont act like your thread is full proof cuz it is not. and if your done then stfu and gtfo cuz no one cares if your here or not.

So what you're saying is, So6P can't defeat Edo Madara?

 

[slashestranged]

Your posts reek of fail and stupidity. Strongest hokage can't beat Oro? Was that Prime Hiruzen? These arguments are just so so poor...

i bet a 69 year old itachi could beat oro. same with a 69 year old hash. youre obsessed with his prime but face it. his prime isnt good

also, after making an opening post like the one you made, you shouldnt call other people out for fail

 

[Lykqueefied]

The problem is that we haven't actually gotten the chance to see Hiruzen at his prime, and we probably never will. The fact (in life and in the manga) is that when you age, you get weaker, so him beating the edo's is a testament to his strength regardless of which part he was/is in because Kishi can advance the manga, but he CAN'T change what has already happened.

If you read the thread you would've seen this was not a comparison thread. It was drawing together what the manga has said about Hiruzen

'This isn't about 'Hiruzen (prime) can defeat Hashirama' or 'Hiruzen (prime) can defeat Itachi'. This is not a vs thread. It is to point out that, at this current moment in time, the author has clearly and undeniably hyped Hiruzen to be the strongest Hokage. You cannot argue with the author.'

You really are ridiculously stupid.

After reading this, i think it's a bit contradictory because you yourself mention that in his prime he could blah blah blah, and though you never said it was about Hiruzen Vs ???? when it comes down to it, if you're trying to see who's strongest it WILL come down to ???? Vs ???.

Also, ignore the trolls Ryuu man.

 

[Sageofthepath]

The entire manga is flawed anyway, does anyone actually think that Kishi planned this far ahead when he first made all this shit up???

Yes and no
big line were trace from the start

 

[Ryuu..]

I'm not against it at all, infact I don't mind people saying Hiruzen > Hashirama, people can say Konohamaru > Rikudo for all I care.
The fact how people especially lately keep bringing up these facts, yes you're right, the Manga DID say Hiruzen is the strongest I can comepletely agree with you. Do you know what is really annoying? If people are trying to make theories about Hiruzen being strongest Hokage, and they are bringing up Anime facts, filler facts, like the battle between the Hokages was half filled with filler and half of the things some people are "claiming" here wasn't even said in the manga, you infact are the only one that makes a bit of sense to me. But, the only reason I can't stand this and why I'm so against this is because of the fact how it is said in the beginning in the manga, like 8 years ago, and lets be honest Ryuu, we didn't know about Rinnegan, we didn't know about Mangekyou Sharingan and all those goodies Uchiha's are getting under their mouth shoved by Kishimoto.
Just the way Kishi changed his mind and made it so Rinnegan is the next step of EMS, just the way Kishi changed his mind on so many things.

Yes but where is your evidence that Kishi has changed his mind? You're just assuming this. Get me one scan of evidence undeniably proving Kishi has changed his mind.

 

[Lankeysob]

I don't know what to say Ryuu, some people on these forums live in their own little world and can't deal with the facts. Until it is otherwise stated by Kishimoto you are wrong, Hiruzen > Hashirama.

 

[Sageofthepath]

humans hardly learn from history

 

[Bijuu13]

those quotes from the manga are dried up . i no your gonna get all mad and say "are you suggesting blahh blah blah", but ill never in my life consider hiruzen the strongest or even in top 10 unless he gets some kinda flashback or recognition ( which he wont ).
All hiruzens jutsu were incredibly weak and did nothing to hurt oro in his fight . Even if he was in his prime, all the hidden leaf jutsu he had learned were basic and weak, nothing commendable about that . . .

OHHH and that Edo tensei oro used was most definitly weak . it didnt display the 1st and 2nd hokage's power too their full extent in any way . so dont ever bring that up again .

People continue to nag about hiruzen's "prime" but it honestly means nothing at this point

 

[Ryuu..]

I don't know what to say Ryuu, some people on these forums live in their own little world and can't deal with the facts. Until it is otherwise stated by Kishimoto you are wrong, Hiruzen > Hashirama.

Thanks.

 

[slashestranged]

also, according to the OP, your proof of the author saying he is the strongest hokage, is just iruka's words.

 

[Lykqueefied]

So what you're saying is, So6P can't defeat Edo Madara?

well how will you explain this...

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I'll explain this. Dan is stupid...

No but seriously, i'm sure he said that because we already know that Hirashima was the only one to beat Madara for sure, it doesn't mean Dan was giving up EVERY possibility of who could defeat Madara, that would be a ridicules thing to do anyways.

So6p > Madara
Hirashima = Madara
Hiruzen ? Madara

 

[The Dark Moon]

All I learnt from this thread was that ~Ryuu~ likes the Chicago BULLS o.o

 

[Ryuu..]

also, according to the OP, your proof of the author saying he is the strongest hokage, is just iruka's words.

And who made Iruka say that? -__-

 

[Prince Charles]

And who made Iruka say that? -__-

haha was just about to say that lol

 

[Sageofthepath]

All I learnt from this thread was that ~Ryuu~ likes the Chicago BULLS o.o

and that people like naruto but can follow the idea behind the manga

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Yes but where is your evidence that Kishi has changed his mind? You're just assuming this. Get me one scan of evidence undeniably proving Kishi has changed his mind.

How can I prove that Kishi changed his mind? Kishi did change his mind about the Rinnegan, how can I prove Kishi changed his mind on the Rinnegan? How can you prove Itachi was actually a good guy as he was introduced as a criminal? You can't and no one could back then. The fact Madara is getting "his" screentime means Hashirama's "his boyfriend almost" is going to get his too, Madara has constantly been talking about Hashirama and comparing the Kages to Hashirama, this is proof that Hashirama will get more screentime and until we get that screentime you are right and I've said that in the previous post aswell.

The only proof I can give is the fact that Hashirama is getting his screentime NOW, including alot of hype.

All I know is that Danzo has said Tobirama is the greatest of the village back at that time, at the time when Hiruzen became Hokage.

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[Lykqueefied]

And who made Iruka say that? -__-

Kishi, but just because he made him say that doesn't mean Iruka is a god. Kishi has made many characters say many things that weren't true. #JustSaying

 

[The Dark Moon]

and that people like naruto but can follow the idea behind the manga

Can or can't? xd
But really, some people need to relax. It's just a manga. ← That statement is blasphemy to some, LOL.

It's not worth spending so much time arguing and arguing over fictional characters. At least, that's how I see it. If someone can explain to me why it is worth it, I'd be grateful.

So much hate in this thread D: