[Predictions] EMS: Logical Jutsu Progression for Sasuke

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So there has been a lot of talk on the base about Izanagi and Izanami lately, including activation requirements, penalties for use, and ultimately, the role that they will play for the show. Taking into account everything that has happened in the manga as of late, namely Naruto's recent advances in both power and ability, Sasuke's new EMS ability seemed... idk... fairly irrelevant in the light of Naruto's progress. However, because this manga is largely predicated upon the fact that Naruto and Sasuke are eternal rivals, Sasuke needs something more significant that simply EMS in order to stand on even ground with Naruto. Thus I make a proposition: EMS, ETERNAL Mangekyou Sharingan, which has been said to never lose its "light," allows for the user to spam what would otherwise be considered "one time" moves, namely, Izanagi and Izanami. This accounts for several statements that have been said by various characters throughout the series.

First, Itachi has stated that only a true Uchiha can fully wield the power of the Sharingan. Though this statement is often made in reference to Kakashi, because his chakra is so greatly drained by the sharingan, I would like to point it more towards Danzo. As we see in Sasuke's battle vs Danzo, he is able to correctly perform Izanagi. Additionally, because of his Hashirama cells and various sharingan, he is able to spam the technique and make effective use of it, but only for a time. It is in this fight that Tobi makes a statement that the Izanagi used by Danzo is imperfect. I believe that this statement is directly related to the statement Itachi has already made, which I have paraphrased above.

Ultimately, the twin techniques izanagi and izanami, can only be fully used by an uchiha because only an Uchiha can acquire EMS. Essentially, because the penalty for the technique is the loss of eyesight or use of that eye, and EMS counteracts the effects of lost eyesight, only an EMS enabled Uchiha (ie, Sasuke) can truly make mastery of izanami and izanagi. Thusly, I believe that Sasuke will master both of these techniques and be able to spam them in such a way, that it will once again restore the balance between he and Naruto's abilities. What does everyone think? Do you guys think that Madara has both of these abilities mastered and hasn't used them, or will Sasuke ultimately surpass Madara by mastering these moves? Is there anyone who disagrees entirely? I thought I had a fairly logical progression of thought considering general storytelling patterns, but perhaps I'm wrong. Any thoughts?
 
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Paragraphs man, paragraphs! xd

(going to read it now ...)

EDIT - Okay I read it. Well you have some valid points, it will be interesting to see whether having EMS truely prevents losing one's eye's light forever due to Izanagi or Izanami.

I still think you would lose your eye because otherwise they could, as you say, spam those abilities which would render most battles useless.
 
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haha, yeah. I should have broken it up some.

I thought of that, but if the goal is to put him somewhere on an even keel with naruto, I felt like its one of the few directions they could currently take, especially since they're making Naruto out to be like a so6p kind of guy. Plus, they're taking some time to tell us about it izanami and reintroduce izanagi, and they gave sasuke the otherwise almost useless EMS. It seemed to logically fit. We'll see in about the next 10-15 episodes. thanks for taking the time to read it.
 
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Paragraphs man, paragraphs! xd

(going to read it now ...)

EDIT - Okay I read it. Well you have some valid points, it will be interesting to see whether having EMS truely prevents losing one's eye's light forever due to Izanagi or Izanami.

I still think you would lose your eye because otherwise they could, as you say, spam those abilities which would render most battles useless.
What does everyone think? Do you guys think that Madara has both of these abilities mastered and hasn't used them, or will Sasuke ultimately surpass Madara by mastering these moves? Is there anyone who disagrees entirely? I thought I had a fairly logical progression of thought considering general storytelling patterns, but perhaps I'm wrong. Any thoughts?

+Reps, but I agree with Uchiha Josephus. I think Kishi would find some drawbacks to at least even or balance the plain-field for Naruto and Sasuke's battle. Madara might can utilize these techniques, but Sasuke might be able to master them to a point of surpassing Madara.
 

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Yup. I assume that because naruto has nearly limitless power at this point, and there's not really a good way to outdo him on a straight out attack basis, alteration of reality would be a good direction for sasuke to take. At that point, I guess its a battle of who runs out of Chakra first. Thanks for reading :)
 

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If he could spam Izanagi and Izanami then all he has to do is imagine 1. Naruto without Kurama or 2. Both of them dead and then in one second Sasuke wins and is ruler of the universe.

Not going to happen how can people think he'd be able to spam such things?
 

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he is already op ..... and for izanagi you need hashirama dna .... maybe he will learn izanami maybe .... but izanagi not a chance in hell !!!
 

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well, idk about that. I'm sure there would be some limits to the technique. If it was that powerfull, he could just imagine that he could spam the ability and make it so, or make himself a God, or instantly destroy all of his enemies. Even if he couldn't spam the technique, he could still imagine those things he said and just get more eyes later on, or get senju cells so that his eyes would work again. They're op moves regardless of spamability, but I'm sure the ability will not allow for omnipotence...
 

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Well, there was already a thread about whether you need senju cells for the izanagi/nami, and Blaze Release pretty well proved that you don't need them, but they help with regeneration so that the techniques can be reused to an extent.
 

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well, idk about that. I'm sure there would be some limits to the technique. If it was that powerfull, he could just imagine that he could spam the ability and make it so, or make himself a God, or instantly destroy all of his enemies. Even if he couldn't spam the technique, he could still imagine those things he said and just get more eyes later on, or get senju cells so that his eyes would work again. They're op moves regardless of spamability, but I'm sure the ability will not allow for omnipotence...
you have watched to many movies .....xdxdxd this is naruto ...... do you read the manga or you just hoping sasuke to become So6p xdxd
 

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What are you talking about man? I'm saying the exact opposite. What I'm saying is that Sasuke's abilities to create/alter reality will be limited, other wise he would essentially become a godlike like So6P. I'm saying that based on the logic that you posted above, izanami would be so OP that you could already do things which would make you invincible... I'm saying that I don't believe izanami would be an instant win because a good storyteller would put limits on the technique so that naruto and sasuke maintain a balance. We don't know the full extent of izanami, but I'm sure it will be limited in several respects, NOT OMNIPOTENCE!
 

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What does everyone think? Do you guys think that Madara has both of these abilities mastered and hasn't used them, or will Sasuke ultimately surpass Madara by mastering these moves? Is there anyone who disagrees entirely? I thought I had a fairly logical progression of thought considering general storytelling patterns, but perhaps I'm wrong. Any thoughts?

+Reps, but I agree with Uchiha Josephus. I think Kishi would find some drawbacks to at least even or balance the plain-field for Naruto and Sasuke's battle. Madara might can utilize these techniques, but Sasuke might be able to master them to a point of surpassing Madara.

I sure as hell hope so.
 

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Paragraphs man, paragraphs! xd

(going to read it now ...)

EDIT - Okay I read it. Well you have some valid points, it will be interesting to see whether having EMS truely prevents losing one's eye's light forever due to Izanagi or Izanami.

I still think you would lose your eye because otherwise they could, as you say, spam those abilities which would render most battles useless.
yep sasuke is already spamming ms techs like theres no tomorrow.:D
 
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