how much chakra do you think Itachi has exactly? anyway, listing all that stuff doesn't even matter, because deva path has MUCH MUCH MUCH more chakra than itachi, and can simply blow him away
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Itachi vs deva path
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Because he has shown using shinra tensi, the demonic statue, CT, everything the rinnegan is capable of. If there is something that the rinnegan can do nagato can do it :shrug:
phantomlord22
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while I do believe itachi would win against deva alone, I do not agree with this post.. No itachi can't spam that much chakra, he would die out of exhaustion if he do that just to destroy ct. even if he manages to, tendo will still have alot of chakra after it.that would spell defeat for itach. so itachi's best way to win against deva is to end it quickly and prevent tendo to throw the ct core, coz once the core is thrown there's no stopping it. and while fanboys do believe that itachi can destroy it himself, any sane person would understand that manga already showed how itachi dealt with it.he simply cannot destroy it himself.
Madara's yasaka magatama didn't break gaara's and oonoki's defense. where did you pull that sh*t out??!LOL Infact it didn't even scratched it.
using amaterasu to burn the core is also a bad idea coz it'll just create a blazing sun. its impossible to hit the tiny core itself seeing that itachi needs to charge his eye then focus on the target. If tendo will throw ct core while itachi is destracted, perhaps recovering from a shinra tensei hit and 100m away from itachi,I don't think he would be able to focus on that small object and hit it with amaterasu.
we also saw how amaterasu worsk on rocks it simlpy doesn't melt it and will just continue to burn and burn..
I don't know who come up with this lame counter, simply laughable. TBB alone cannot destroy CT, and CT forms fast coz the moment it left tendo's hands debris will get attracted instantly thus covering its core. even itachi was not fast enought to react when nagato threw the core.
So unless itachi fans would come up with decent idea on as to how itachi will beat CT alone, still CT> itachi himself.
no one has ever posted a logical way itachi would win against 6paths.. nagato's side always thriumps on all "pain/nagato vs itachi" threads
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ghost nappa
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Not sure how deva path handles genjutsu. Gonna say itachi for that reason alone. Otherwise, Deva wins with high dif.
TheSages456
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itachi could win against deva alone. but for clarification, which version of itachi is this. is it sick alive itachi, edo itachi, or a hypothetical healthy nonedo itachi?
Kira was Righteous
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Amateseru-Deva uses shinra tensei Amateseru burns slowly imo it would not burn all his body in 5s (dont bring up Kabutos control over Nagato xd)
Tsyukami-Torture wont work on a dead body
Susanoo-Chibaku tensei unles Yasaka can destroy it first however i doubt and maybe preparing it Itachi could seal him?
This being said Itachis chances are alright as long as he keeps close to him and try s to catch him off guard maybe using genjutsu as a distraction but i do think this is a win for Deva because CT is too overpowered for 99% of people in Naruto.Everything else is against Itachi Stamina,Power.... I think if you gave Itachi preparation and Intelligence he could pull it off.
Tsyukami-Torture wont work on a dead body
Susanoo-Chibaku tensei unles Yasaka can destroy it first however i doubt and maybe preparing it Itachi could seal him?
This being said Itachis chances are alright as long as he keeps close to him and try s to catch him off guard maybe using genjutsu as a distraction but i do think this is a win for Deva because CT is too overpowered for 99% of people in Naruto.Everything else is against Itachi Stamina,Power.... I think if you gave Itachi preparation and Intelligence he could pull it off.
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Drakengard
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I personally don't think that it matters what version of Itachi it is. For Deva to win, he'll have to pull out the nukes nice and early, before Itachi gets a plan set up and out-thinks him mentally.
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The op clearly an Itachi hater going by his thread history has tried formulate a vs thread in which the aim is for itachi to lose, but what he doesnt know is that itachi isnt losing this. Now the common arguments ive heard which fall short are this;
Genjutsu has never beaten an high rank ninja. First of all deva path alone id say is high jonin or low kage. He by himself is nothing special. Secondly genjutsu has beaten oro and deidora who are much stronger than deva path. Clearly this argument is flawed
Second argument is that because the rennigan is the superior of the two eyes, ms genjutsyu would work. If an ms genjutsu doesnt work on somebody with superior eyes, why was itachi confident that an ms genjutsu would work on ems sasuke. Clearly the logic behind superior eyes being resistant to the genjutsu prowess fails. What people are basically trying to say is that because the rennigan is the superior of the eyes, the inferior eye technique wouldnt work. But we have already seen amaterasu burn a rennigan user.
Next thing is that dead people cannot be put under genjutsu. But we already seen that isnt true. The ma and pa genjutsu worked. Now that that logic has been countered the next thing is that, doujutsu genjutsu wouldnt work on the dead. Yet ka a doujutsu genjutsu worked on itachi.
Next thing is that paralysis genjutsu doesnt work on the dead. Yet ma and pa's genjutsu was a paralysis genjutsu. Everything that has been thrown against genjutsu has been disproven in the manga. All the assumptions has been proven wrong in the manga. Almost as if people know that because itachi's mean fighting style is genjutsu and has fodderized 2 higher shinobi's than deva path with it, they are trying to make it hard, but you see just because im generous and even though all the assumptions youve made have been proven wrong, lets say genjutsu is out of the question all genjutsu and this includes tsukuyomi
Anyway if deva path starts of with ct, then although itachi knows the weakness he hasnt shown a technique strong enough and with that he loses, but if thats the case then we are wasting out time in this thread because if thats the case majority of people will lose to deva path if he starts with this. There are many opponent such as A, jiriaya, mu, 3rd raikage, bee plus many more who are stronger than deva path and will defeat it in a fight, but if deva path was to start with ct, none of them has shown a technique to evade it or destroy it therefore they all lose.
If deva was to fight an actual fight then use ct as a last option i believe he wouldnt be given the chance as i believe all the character's ive named above will beat him before he can use ct in a fight, no different to how kakashi, choju and choza was about to beat it, until asura path got in the way;
Im tired now and have no intention on replying to any quotes. We both have out opinions on this matter, and if you believe deva path will win then so be it, but this fight is rather clear, if deva path doesnt start with ct
Genjutsu has never beaten an high rank ninja. First of all deva path alone id say is high jonin or low kage. He by himself is nothing special. Secondly genjutsu has beaten oro and deidora who are much stronger than deva path. Clearly this argument is flawed
Second argument is that because the rennigan is the superior of the two eyes, ms genjutsyu would work. If an ms genjutsu doesnt work on somebody with superior eyes, why was itachi confident that an ms genjutsu would work on ems sasuke. Clearly the logic behind superior eyes being resistant to the genjutsu prowess fails. What people are basically trying to say is that because the rennigan is the superior of the eyes, the inferior eye technique wouldnt work. But we have already seen amaterasu burn a rennigan user.
Next thing is that dead people cannot be put under genjutsu. But we already seen that isnt true. The ma and pa genjutsu worked. Now that that logic has been countered the next thing is that, doujutsu genjutsu wouldnt work on the dead. Yet ka a doujutsu genjutsu worked on itachi.
Next thing is that paralysis genjutsu doesnt work on the dead. Yet ma and pa's genjutsu was a paralysis genjutsu. Everything that has been thrown against genjutsu has been disproven in the manga. All the assumptions has been proven wrong in the manga. Almost as if people know that because itachi's mean fighting style is genjutsu and has fodderized 2 higher shinobi's than deva path with it, they are trying to make it hard, but you see just because im generous and even though all the assumptions youve made have been proven wrong, lets say genjutsu is out of the question all genjutsu and this includes tsukuyomi
Anyway if deva path starts of with ct, then although itachi knows the weakness he hasnt shown a technique strong enough and with that he loses, but if thats the case then we are wasting out time in this thread because if thats the case majority of people will lose to deva path if he starts with this. There are many opponent such as A, jiriaya, mu, 3rd raikage, bee plus many more who are stronger than deva path and will defeat it in a fight, but if deva path was to start with ct, none of them has shown a technique to evade it or destroy it therefore they all lose.
If deva was to fight an actual fight then use ct as a last option i believe he wouldnt be given the chance as i believe all the character's ive named above will beat him before he can use ct in a fight, no different to how kakashi, choju and choza was about to beat it, until asura path got in the way;
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Basically if deva doesnt start with ct, itachi will beat him before he gets the chance to use it. Question is how. Ill explain;
Kakashi was able to fool deva path with a lightning clone, luckily for him asura path was there to help;
Ill let you in on a secret to shinra tensei.Shinra tensei allows the user to attack either by their side;
Or with their hands at their front (top left of page);
So basically if you arent by the side or in front of deva path, you can evade shinra tensei. Question is how do you miss shinra tensei. Simple really go behind blitx behind deva path. Itachi's with his speed should be able to achieve this no different to how he was behind bee;
Once behind deva path, he totally evades shinra tensei. Also deva path doesnt have the shared vision since its only him;
and with itachi having the better reaction time he would severe his head before he can turn around. Or in v1 susano, he can k.o him, with a punch, no different to what he did at kabuto's hideout;
Itachi has also shown us the ability to summon crows and with that blocks the opponent's eyes;
Now people would say if that happens deva path would shinra tensei the crows, but that distraction is enough for itachi to get behind him and finish him off. Anyway lets say deva path shinra tensei's the crows, we know about the time interval in relation to deva path. Believe it was 5 seconds;
5 seconds is too big of a gap for amaterasu one of the fastest attacks not to land. People will say he can shinra tensei it and that is true, but even if it burns him for a brief amount of time, ha shown great damage as we saw with nagato;
Also notice that his arms were greatly damaged. If that was to happen to deva path, he wouldnt regenerate for obvious reasons, but also its these same arms that has been damaged by amaterasu does his techniques come from. If his arms were to be greatly damaged, he would struggle to use any of the rather poor ninjutsu's pool. Now alot of people would say, hold on a second, itachi doesnt knwo about the 5 second rule. This is true, but you see during itachi's short time against nagato has shown the ability quickly recognise its weakness. First was him blinding the rennigan. Second was his figuring ct's weakness. Third was him after seeing naruto and bee's attack get absorbed did he use a non ninjutsu way to attack nagato. I believe just like how kakashi figured out the interval, itachi who is a superior geniuses but has also gone up against a rennigan user and has shown the ability to figure out technique weaknesses (after all its him whom said every jutsu has a weakness) should figure out this interval. Now alot of people would say, well he would have to use attack deva path to figure this out and i agree. But he doesnt need to attack with high level jutsu's. He has the grandfire ball technique;
And the crimson balsam nails;
Crow clones, other fire techniques, kunai's throwing feats and summoning techniques. Basically he has fairly low level technique's which require very little chakra to figure out the 5 second interval and this is in relation to him distracting deva path with any of this attacks and once shinra tensei has ben used in that 5 second interval amaterasu will get him. But itachi doesnt need to figure out the 5 second interval, since he is fast enough. 5 second gap, itachi has shown the ability to activate, susano instantaneously in order to tank kirin, which's speed is much faster than the 5 second gap;
Yet itachi was able to activate susano in time. 5 second gap is way too much of a gap for itachi not to be able to activate it again and with that seal deva path during this interval where he cannot use his powers.
Alos of people are now talking about the ultimate shinra tensei he used on the village. Now itachi by himself doesnt have much durability feat, but you see susano does, and with that itachi would need the full susano to withstand that ultimate shinra tensei and i believe it can, especially after withstanding kirin whilst incomplete. Now we should know that deva path after using that ultimate shinra tensei cannot use his attacks for quiet for sometime;
He'd be a fool to try this move on itachi. If he cannot use his techniques for some time he couldve been fodderized against naruto if it wasnt for the other paths. Obviously the other paths arent involved here.
Itachi with genjutsu out of the question takes with with mid difficulty at best as i believe the fight would end pretty quickly if deva path doesnt start with ct, but also going by itachi's fighting style he doesnt like prolonging fights. If genjutsu was involved, which has been taken out of the equation due to ridiculous assumptions all in the aim to restrict itachi he would take this with low difficulty
Kakashi was able to fool deva path with a lightning clone, luckily for him asura path was there to help;
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Itachi's handspeed is the fastest. Not even kakashi and sasuke, sharigan users were able to read. He has shown the ability to hide clones so much so that sasuke who was right next to him didnt even know that the clone existed. Now he has fooled sasuke and kabuto, two smarter opponents with a crow clone which left both vulnerable to attacks;
Kabuto due to his enhancements and sm ability makes his preceptual ability and reflexes in the top3 and although he evaded the attack he lost a horn. Deva path has no such ability and with this itachi would severe his head. A lot of people would say well, itachi used sasuke's katana and itachi deosnt have a katana. That is true, but he does have kunai's which are just as sharp able to cut oro's hand off, but alsohe spammed quiet a few which blocked the rennigan's view;
Need not worry though, just showing you that he has sharp kunai's to do damage
Now we have seen that itachi cut oro's hand. Now we all know that deva path's attacks include the use of his hands, from shinra tensei to banshou tennin to even ct. If itach doesnt cut his head off after that clone which has made him vulnerable he can cut either 1 or both arms off and with that deva path cannot use any of his attacks.
Secondly itachi only needs to be in v1 susano. In v1 susano the susano is wrapped around the user so to speak. You cannot pull the user out of this susano version, unlike the full susano which is stationary (madara's has legs thoguh). Itachi has shown us that he can run with v1 susano whilst its still protecting him because it wraps around the user. You cannot pull the user out of this susano variation;
Also this version alone should be able to protect itachi from shinra tensei
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Kabuto due to his enhancements and sm ability makes his preceptual ability and reflexes in the top3 and although he evaded the attack he lost a horn. Deva path has no such ability and with this itachi would severe his head. A lot of people would say well, itachi used sasuke's katana and itachi deosnt have a katana. That is true, but he does have kunai's which are just as sharp able to cut oro's hand off, but alsohe spammed quiet a few which blocked the rennigan's view;
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Need not worry though, just showing you that he has sharp kunai's to do damage
Now we have seen that itachi cut oro's hand. Now we all know that deva path's attacks include the use of his hands, from shinra tensei to banshou tennin to even ct. If itach doesnt cut his head off after that clone which has made him vulnerable he can cut either 1 or both arms off and with that deva path cannot use any of his attacks.
Secondly itachi only needs to be in v1 susano. In v1 susano the susano is wrapped around the user so to speak. You cannot pull the user out of this susano version, unlike the full susano which is stationary (madara's has legs thoguh). Itachi has shown us that he can run with v1 susano whilst its still protecting him because it wraps around the user. You cannot pull the user out of this susano variation;
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Also this version alone should be able to protect itachi from shinra tensei
Ill let you in on a secret to shinra tensei.Shinra tensei allows the user to attack either by their side;
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Or with their hands at their front (top left of page);
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So basically if you arent by the side or in front of deva path, you can evade shinra tensei. Question is how do you miss shinra tensei. Simple really go behind blitx behind deva path. Itachi's with his speed should be able to achieve this no different to how he was behind bee;
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Once behind deva path, he totally evades shinra tensei. Also deva path doesnt have the shared vision since its only him;
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Itachi has also shown us the ability to summon crows and with that blocks the opponent's eyes;
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Now people would say if that happens deva path would shinra tensei the crows, but that distraction is enough for itachi to get behind him and finish him off. Anyway lets say deva path shinra tensei's the crows, we know about the time interval in relation to deva path. Believe it was 5 seconds;
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5 seconds is too big of a gap for amaterasu one of the fastest attacks not to land. People will say he can shinra tensei it and that is true, but even if it burns him for a brief amount of time, ha shown great damage as we saw with nagato;
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Also notice that his arms were greatly damaged. If that was to happen to deva path, he wouldnt regenerate for obvious reasons, but also its these same arms that has been damaged by amaterasu does his techniques come from. If his arms were to be greatly damaged, he would struggle to use any of the rather poor ninjutsu's pool. Now alot of people would say, hold on a second, itachi doesnt knwo about the 5 second rule. This is true, but you see during itachi's short time against nagato has shown the ability quickly recognise its weakness. First was him blinding the rennigan. Second was his figuring ct's weakness. Third was him after seeing naruto and bee's attack get absorbed did he use a non ninjutsu way to attack nagato. I believe just like how kakashi figured out the interval, itachi who is a superior geniuses but has also gone up against a rennigan user and has shown the ability to figure out technique weaknesses (after all its him whom said every jutsu has a weakness) should figure out this interval. Now alot of people would say, well he would have to use attack deva path to figure this out and i agree. But he doesnt need to attack with high level jutsu's. He has the grandfire ball technique;
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And the crimson balsam nails;
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Crow clones, other fire techniques, kunai's throwing feats and summoning techniques. Basically he has fairly low level technique's which require very little chakra to figure out the 5 second interval and this is in relation to him distracting deva path with any of this attacks and once shinra tensei has ben used in that 5 second interval amaterasu will get him. But itachi doesnt need to figure out the 5 second interval, since he is fast enough. 5 second gap, itachi has shown the ability to activate, susano instantaneously in order to tank kirin, which's speed is much faster than the 5 second gap;
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Yet itachi was able to activate susano in time. 5 second gap is way too much of a gap for itachi not to be able to activate it again and with that seal deva path during this interval where he cannot use his powers.
Alos of people are now talking about the ultimate shinra tensei he used on the village. Now itachi by himself doesnt have much durability feat, but you see susano does, and with that itachi would need the full susano to withstand that ultimate shinra tensei and i believe it can, especially after withstanding kirin whilst incomplete. Now we should know that deva path after using that ultimate shinra tensei cannot use his attacks for quiet for sometime;
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Itachi with genjutsu out of the question takes with with mid difficulty at best as i believe the fight would end pretty quickly if deva path doesnt start with ct, but also going by itachi's fighting style he doesnt like prolonging fights. If genjutsu was involved, which has been taken out of the equation due to ridiculous assumptions all in the aim to restrict itachi he would take this with low difficulty
Im tired now and have no intention on replying to any quotes. We both have out opinions on this matter, and if you believe deva path will win then so be it, but this fight is rather clear, if deva path doesnt start with ct
What he speaks of is a vs thread containing 4 paths, deva and human path excluded against itachi. Anyway you have agreed that deva path would lose to itachi therefore im not sure why im posting this, but anyway its about time
TheSages456
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ehh itachi with high difficulty. idk if deva paths CT is weakers than CT from nagato himself. since nagatos CT most likely is more durable than pains CT itachi may be able to destroy it. after CT is used itachi camps in susano tanking shinra tenseis for 2 minutes and may strike deva with totsuka during the 5 second interval.
TheSages456
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i skimmed this and you say why was itachi put under genjutsu as an edo. that makes no sense. the pains are just corpses being controlled by chakra. edo itachi has his soul, a working mind, all his senses and is suspectible to genjutsu. hes basically like a living person except since his soul is bound to the impure world he cannot die.
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