[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 580 Discussion and 581 Predictions

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Ok but i want to repeat my earlier question

Why dont kabuto undo itachi'edo tensei ?!
Kabuto no longer controls Itachi's. Even if he Undo Edo Tensi, Itachi wouldnt be affected because he no longer receive commands from Kabuto. Process of Communication: Sender=Kabuto, Reciever= Edo Tensi Itachi. Uchiha Shisui's Genjustu cancelled out the process of communication. That's why Kabuto stated that if he can capture Itachi he can go into his head and rewrite the command, so he can take back control of Itachi.... Important word of this all is "Control". Think about it...logic!
 
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Kabuto no longer controls Itachi's. Even if he Undo Edo Tensi, Itachi wouldnt be affected because he no longer receive commands from Kabuto. Process of Communication: Sender=Kabuto, Reciever= Edo Tensi Itachi. Uchiha Shisui's Genjustu cancelled out the process of communication. That's why Kabuto stated that if he can capture Itachi he can go into his head and rewrite the command, so he can take back control of Itachi.... Important word of this all is "Control". Think about it...logic!
ok
i can accept that but i also think that it could be that to undo one he would have to undo all of them and that would give everyone else time to seal the rest of the edo tensi controled
 

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I think his disgust comes from the fact that he was summoned, probably not when he was supposed to be. I don't think that the overall plan was for him to be summoned and controlled by Orochimaru or his assistant.

I also don't think that losing Nagato was according to plan, and I think that Tobi needed Nagato for some part of his plan.



At this point I am pretty confident that Orochimaru may have had a lot to do with Tobi's and Zetsu's existence.
When he first appeared, he believed that Nagato summoned him, and didn't show much concern until he found that it was by the Impure World Resurrection.

Considering Madara's mentioning of Nagato, as well as Tobi's disappointment that he used the Outer Path on something other than what he wanted, there may have been a way to expand the powers of the Outer Path so Madara could be revived, which Tobi was planning on. Other than that, maybe it was a back-up for Tobi in case he got killed or something like that.

Maybe, or it could be a vice-versa in a sense. One of them had to find Hashirama's DNA first. Maybe Tobi needed Orochimaru's knowledge of experiments to help form White Zetsu (cause Black Zetsu is an actual person, remember?), or Tobi made Orochimaru help him in exchange for something (likely a Sharingan or a Rinnegan), like he did with Kabuto. I'm just thinking out here, but you're probably right. Orochimaru was too important to the plot to be COMPLETELY written out.
 

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ok
i can accept that but i also think that it could be that to undo one he would have to undo all of them and that would give everyone else time to seal the rest of the edo tensi controled
How many unsealed edo tensi's are left other then Itachi? Dan, Muu, Madara... Dan is locked in a barrier, he's not a factor at the moment, Muu is partially sealed at least half of him. Not much of a factor anymore. Madara is the only Edo that's actually a factor so far in the War...Kabuto is too smart to keep Itachi running out of control, if he didn't have to be..I think Sasuke will surprise everybody, I think he will be the one to put Kabuto under Genjustu
 

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haha... itachi lied to sasuke again.... after they force kabuto to cancel edo tensei... itachi's soul will be release in the living realm and back to hell.... their would be no time to talk...poor sasuke..
 

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haha... itachi lied to sasuke again.... after they force kabuto to cancel edo tensei... itachi's soul will be release in the living realm and back to hell.... their would be no time to talk...poor sasuke..
1. That's what I've been saying, man. People want him to fight Naruto so bad and if he talks to Itachi, I highly doubt something will trigger in his brain to make him still want to destroy the Leaf village.

2. Tsk, Tsk :flaw: Now how do you know he's going to hell?
 

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So I've said this once already as a reply but I'm going to say it again for anyone who missed it. No one know how to get Rinnegan, no one know how Nagato got Rinnegan, no one knows if you need to be an Uchiha or if simply being from the same line as the So6p is enough. I know tobi said that he gave nagato his Rinnegan but lets be real Tobi says alot of things Like (oh gee let me think) I'm Uchiha Madara (cleary a lie) because now he says I'm no body, so lets not go disrespecting other ppls theorys calling them morons because their theories are no less valaid than yours because they are just theories from all of us NO ONE KNOWS but Kishi
I don't think that u can say no knows where reningan comes from
1. The fact that Edo madara said he had during his fight with hashirama + kabuto said that reningan was a end result for those who have the sharingan.
2. Kakashi, danzo, ao, tobi and sasuke have all had eye transplant so the same could be said about nagato, and he was picked for his uzuzmaki traits.
Then there's the uchiha tablet. I willing to bet madara knew of the reningan thru that tablet.
3. Edo madara knew he was suppose to be resurrected with the reningan bcos he knew he would activite his reningan
 

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So I've said this once already as a reply but I'm going to say it again for anyone who missed it. No one know how to get Rinnegan, no one know how Nagato got Rinnegan, no one knows if you need to be an Uchiha or if simply being from the same line as the So6p is enough. I know tobi said that he gave nagato his Rinnegan but lets be real Tobi says alot of things Like (oh gee let me think) I'm Uchiha Madara (cleary a lie) because now he says I'm no body, so lets not go disrespecting other ppls theorys calling them morons because their theories are no less valaid than yours because they are just theories from all of us NO ONE KNOWS but Kishi
There's a difference between lying about your identity to fool the entire world of Shinobi into thinking you're alive, and lying to someone you're about to kill about doing something that has no real bearing on anything.

Why would it matter if he really did or didn't give Nagato his Rinnegan? How does that affect Konan in any way? He flat out told her that 10 minutes before he killed her. However, the part about being Uchiha Madara is something he's been telling people for years, and it's something he did to maintain military advantages.

So yeah, while it's hard to believe anything he says, there are definitely things he has absolutely no reason to lie about. He told Sasuke about Itachi and Konoha, which turned out to be true. At the same time he told Sasuke that Izuna died, which is also true.

However, he hasn't said a word (and he doesn't need to) about Izuna being alive still, having been brought back to life at some point.

There are a lot of things that don't add up, a lot of things that still need Kishi's explanation, and one of those things is the Rinnegan and how Nagato really got it. In one chapter we see Nagato tell Naruto a story about how he got it, which is 100% pure recollection of a memory that happened many many years prior.

Then we have Tobi, almost 50 chapters later, telling Konan that HE gave it to Nagato. We know quite a bit about the Uchiha lineage. We know that only Uchiha can naturally develop Ocular powers such as Sharingan, Mangekyo, and eternal Mangekyo.

We know that Byakugan is a Uchiha bloodline limit that is only present within one family of Uchiha, the Hyuuga. We know that Nagato isn't a Uchiha. We know that Senju don't have ocular powers, because those were given to the Uchiha.

So tell me, why would it make sense that Nagato just happened to 'awaken' the Rinnegan, when he's not an Uchiha, when he had no ninja ability at the time, and we have someone specifically stating that HE'S the reason why Nagato had the Rinnegan?

Until Kishi explains either possibility further, you have to go with the one that makes more sense, which is that Tobi gave it to him.

one more thing if you say something back it up with the facts not just your theories the people who i read the most always show evidence with they say and back up their theories with facts not oh on Nagato's memories were genjutsu induced and he does not know his own past with not evidence to support that at all.
I don't typically provide links to information when I am writing up a big long paragraph because the info is easily accessible to anyone who wants to verify something. If I posted those links, then my posts would take up 2x as much room.

I can't prove that Nagato was under a genjutsu, but if Tobi was involved (Sharingan user who can use genjutsu) in giving Nagato the Rinnegan, it's entirely possible. Much more possible than Nagato just 'awakening' it on his own, with no formal training, and being of the wrong heritage.

Think about it. Madara and Izuna were of the most powerful Uchiha to ever live. They were the very first Uchiha to awaken Mangekyo Sharingan, which is something only a very few Uchiha have done since then (Itachi, shisui, Sasuke). Uchiha Madara only awakened Rinnegan AFTER many many years of being the leader of his clan, after his Brother had died, AND after engaging in a huge battle with Hashirama Senju.

If it takes the most powerful Uchiha such extenuating circumstances to awaken the Rinnegan, and NO OTHER Uchiha has done so since then, why would it make sense to you that Nagato, being a small child without Uchiha bloodline limits, just happens to awaken it?

Plus, all the signs of it being transplanted are there.

haha... itachi lied to sasuke again.... after they force kabuto to cancel edo tensei... itachi's soul will be release in the living realm and back to hell.... their would be no time to talk...poor sasuke..
I think the part you're missing, is that Kabuto CAN'T release Itachi from Edo Tensei. If he were able to, he would have done it already, instead of facing off against Itachi AND Sasuke at the same time.

On top of that, those who have been summoned by Edo Tensei, can be released of their own free will, once their soul is at peace. The entire reason why Itachi is trying to stop Edo Tensei, is to protect Konoha from Madara Uchiha. THAT'S the person he's trying to release, not himself.
 

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I dont like this chapter..... Boring ...! I want to so Yamoto and know what happens (happened) to him... Also more of Naruto and Kurama bonding.... Not just the Uchiha bro's..... Kishi bring back Yamoto...pls.
 

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I dont like this chapter..... Boring ...! I want to so Yamoto and know what happens (happened) to him... Also more of Naruto and Kurama bonding.... Not just the Uchiha bro's..... Kishi bring back Yamoto...pls.
 
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I don't think that u can say no knows where reningan comes from
1. The fact that Edo madara said he had during his fight with hashirama + kabuto said that reningan was a end result for those who have the sharingan.
2. Kakashi, danzo, ao, tobi and sasuke have all had eye transplant so the same could be said about nagato, and he was picked for his uzuzmaki traits.
Then there's the uchiha tablet. I willing to bet madara knew of the reningan thru that tablet.
3. Edo madara knew he was suppose to be resurrected with the reningan bcos he knew he would activite his reningan
I can say that because all we've heard from everyone has been speculation untill it is said where Nagato Got his rinnegan that i still think that it could have come from his blood line no one knows who his parent were no one knows much about him but the fact remains that he had rinnegan since he was a boy before his parents were killed.
 
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There's a difference between lying about your identity to fool the entire world of Shinobi into thinking you're alive, and lying to someone you're about to kill about doing something that has no real bearing on anything.

Why would it matter if he really did or didn't give Nagato his Rinnegan? How does that affect Konan in any way? He flat out told her that 10 minutes before he killed her. However, the part about being Uchiha Madara is something he's been telling people for years, and it's something he did to maintain military advantages.

So yeah, while it's hard to believe anything he says, there are definitely things he has absolutely no reason to lie about. He told Sasuke about Itachi and Konoha, which turned out to be true. At the same time he told Sasuke that Izuna died, which is also true.

However, he hasn't said a word (and he doesn't need to) about Izuna being alive still, having been brought back to life at some point.

There are a lot of things that don't add up, a lot of things that still need Kishi's explanation, and one of those things is the Rinnegan and how Nagato really got it. In one chapter we see Nagato tell Naruto a story about how he got it, which is 100% pure recollection of a memory that happened many many years prior.

Then we have Tobi, almost 50 chapters later, telling Konan that HE gave it to Nagato. We know quite a bit about the Uchiha lineage. We know that only Uchiha can naturally develop Ocular powers such as Sharingan, Mangekyo, and eternal Mangekyo.

We know that Byakugan is a Uchiha bloodline limit that is only present within one family of Uchiha, the Hyuuga. We know that Nagato isn't a Uchiha. We know that Senju don't have ocular powers, because those were given to the Uchiha.

So tell me, why would it make sense that Nagato just happened to 'awaken' the Rinnegan, when he's not an Uchiha, when he had no ninja ability at the time, and we have someone specifically stating that HE'S the reason why Nagato had the Rinnegan?

Until Kishi explains either possibility further, you have to go with the one that makes more sense, which is that Tobi gave it to him.



I don't typically provide links to information when I am writing up a big long paragraph because the info is easily accessible to anyone who wants to verify something. If I posted those links, then my posts would take up 2x as much room.

I can't prove that Nagato was under a genjutsu, but if Tobi was involved (Sharingan user who can use genjutsu) in giving Nagato the Rinnegan, it's entirely possible. Much more possible than Nagato just 'awakening' it on his own, with no formal training, and being of the wrong heritage.

Think about it. Madara and Izuna were of the most powerful Uchiha to ever live. They were the very first Uchiha to awaken Mangekyo Sharingan, which is something only a very few Uchiha have done since then (Itachi, shisui, Sasuke). Uchiha Madara only awakened Rinnegan AFTER many many years of being the leader of his clan, after his Brother had died, AND after engaging in a huge battle with Hashirama Senju.

If it takes the most powerful Uchiha such extenuating circumstances to awaken the Rinnegan, and NO OTHER Uchiha has done so since then, why would it make sense to you that Nagato, being a small child without Uchiha bloodline limits, just happens to awaken it?

Plus, all the signs of it being transplanted are there.



I think the part you're missing, is that Kabuto CAN'T release Itachi from Edo Tensei. If he were able to, he would have done it already, instead of facing off against Itachi AND Sasuke at the same time.

On top of that, those who have been summoned by Edo Tensei, can be released of their own free will, once their soul is at peace. The entire reason why Itachi is trying to stop Edo Tensei, is to protect Konoha from Madara Uchiha. THAT'S the person he's trying to release, not himself.
ok i cant help but notice that you have said nothing about it can having simply been because he was from the so6p line directly descentant did the so6p need to unlock his rinnegan could he deactivate it Hmmm we dont know but im sure it is safe to say that he couldn't. and i would like to say that tobi still could have lied about everything he said he needs his lies to to keep tricking people into doing what he wants they plan around his lies and misleading information.
my point is saying what i said was to inform you that your theories are no more valid that anyone eleses so stop acting like you know it all because when u assume u make and ass out u just so you know.

Now for the Edo Tensi he could release it but that would mean releaseing all of them and the Madara would be sealed and everyone would crush tobi who kabato still needs to kill naruto because he know he cant do it himself.
 

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I can say that because all we've heard from everyone has been speculation untill it is said where Nagato Got his rinnegan that i still think that it could have come from his blood line no one knows who his parent were no one knows much about him but the fact remains that he had rinnegan since he was a boy before his parents were killed.
I am not saying ur theory might not be true but the way i look at I is madara was able to achieve reningan died at the same time even though the first objective was to obtain hashirama DNA. Whoever madara's partner was probably used nagato to revive madara's eye since uzumaki's are known for having life force energy. I am not am sure but when jiraiya saw the reningan i think he mentioned something like when world is in chaos or when the world calls for it the reningan would show itself and who is responsible for all the chaos in ninja world - tobi, who manipulated nagato, sync him gedo statue - tobi.
 

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ok i cant help but notice that you have said nothing about it can having simply been because he was from the so6p line directly descentant did the so6p need to unlock his rinnegan could he deactivate it Hmmm we dont know but im sure it is safe to say that he couldn't. and i would like to say that tobi still could have lied about everything he said he needs his lies to to keep tricking people into doing what he wants they plan around his lies and misleading information.
my point is saying what i said was to inform you that your theories are no more valid that anyone eleses so stop acting like you know it all because when u assume u make and ass out u just so you know.

Now for the Edo Tensi he could release it but that would mean releaseing all of them and the Madara would be sealed and everyone would crush tobi who kabato still needs to kill naruto because he know he cant do it himself.
EVERYONE in the manga is directly descended from the So6P. EVERYONE. Everyone is either from the elder son of the S06P (uchiha), or from the younger son (Senju).

So like I said, it makes about as much sense to just 'appear' in Nagato, as it does Naruto, because BOTH are senju. I assume some things because of the evidence we've been given by Kishi.

Is Tobi a liar? Not necessarily. He DID lie about being Madara Uchiha, but for a very good reason. Would he lie about giving Nagato the Rinnegan? Sure.

However, we have this panel of chapter 559 that gives Tobi's story credibility:



'It would appear that little brat Nagato managed to grow' - Madara Uchiha, right after he is summoned by Edo Tensei.

Then he says:



This is HIS doing, meaning he knows who resurrected him with Edo Tensei. Then on the same page, Kabuto says he is HIS assistant, meaning he is the assistant of the person Madara is thinking of, which is Orochimaru.

Not only did Madara live after his fight with Hashirama, but somehow he lived long enough to encounter Nagato AND Orochimaru.

At this point yes, it's a fact that Tobi 'gave' Nagato the Rinnegan, all we need now is the explanation of how.
 
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