[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 580 Discussion and 581 Predictions

[uhIpooped]

Shisui's genjutsu alow itachi to control himself, not to break his bound with Kabuto so Kabuto can still undo it. Am I right ? If the bound was broken, the edo tensei on itachi would end and he would die (a second time ^^)

as I understood it, Shisui's tech is a permanent jutsu.. It i guess would be like being hypnotized, it's been engrained into his mind... And it was to Never betray Konoha... But time will tell...

 

[MrKabutobi]

as I understood it, Shisui's tech is a permanent jutsu.. It i guess would be like being hypnotized, it's been engrained into his mind... And it was to Never betray Konoha... But time will tell...

Ok but i want to repeat my earlier question

Why dont kabuto undo itachi'edo tensei ?!

 

[Chakra Wizard]

The real Madara also mentioned that Izuna had died, and he would have no reason to lie about it given the context.

Seems as if he can't, not with Kotoamatsukami active.

True, but I also previously mentioned that he might not even know who Tobi is himself, considering he referred to him as "that someone" (

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). In other words, it's highly unlikely, but Tobi could still be Izuna, and Kishi's only giving us more hints to it.

 

[Chakra Wizard]

broky is you still belive that tobi give nagato the rannegan you has to be the king moron :sy: we see that nagato got rannegan wen he was i kid :shrug:

is i got rannegan way i goin to give my eye that son stupet is helll:scorps:

Good gracious:flaw:. You seriously got to read first. I didn't even come CLOSE to saying that Nagato was given the Rinnegan by ANYONE. I said he was able to utilize it and use it very well, which was in contrast to a post I replied to earlier, where they said that only a Uchiha can use or utilize the Sharingan or Rinnegan. I cited Kakashi and Nagato as prime examples of that.

 

[QuickSilver2388]

Yes, and he probably did die. However, that doesn't mean he stayed dead. Right now we are at a point in the Manga where roughly half of all the important ninja characters have been brought back to life at least one time or another.

Madara is a very powerful ninja. Madara knows techniques that many others don't know. I doubt it would be a stretch for him to bring Izuna back to life. I doubt it would be a stretch for him to bring ANYONE back to life, ESPECIALLY when he possessed the Rinnegan at some point before he died.

Like I said before, I left out a great many details about my theory, because it's a lot of information, and I am not trying to write a book about it.

- We know that Orochimaru was experimenting on abducted children from Konoha, trying to fuse Hashirama's DNA with them. Yamato is the ONLY surviving child from those experiments (that we know of).

- Orochimaru had to get that DNA from somewhere.

- We know that Zetsu is the result of some sort of experiment/technique using Hashirama's DNA.

- It's entirely possible that Madara awakened the Rinnegan long before he fought Hashirama, and that fighting Hashirama was to secure the DNA to create a new body to store his dead brother's soul in. That could be the secret to the So6Ps 'creation' power, using the Rinnegan, Susanoo, and wood release to create life.

- If you pay close attention to the story, Tobi says he's the one who cultured Hashirama's cells to create the army of Zetsus. He could be lying, but it's entirely possible. If Madara died after his battle with Hashirama, he could have used what was left of his power to create Tobi's body and return Izuna's soul to it, much like Nagato did for the people of Konoha.

- Tobi could have tried doing the same thing to revive his brother, unsuccessfully. The result of his failed attempt to bring back Madara could be Zetsu.



It seems as though he can't do it at all, because if he could, he could just unsummon him as well. It appears as though Itachi is no longer bound to Kabuto's technique, and the only way he's going anywhere is by releasing Edo Tensei himself.



If you believe that Nagato awoke the Rinnegan natrually, you're a moron. You have to be an Uchiha to awaken Rinnegan. It goes Uchiha > Sharingan > Mangekyo Sharingan > Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan > Rinnegan.

We know that Nagato was given the Rinnegan because it was never deactivated once he got it. One of the Rinnegan's ocular powers is the ability to produce more Rinnegan, which we have seen from both Nagato and Tobi (their minions all had Rinnegan too).

It's unclear whether or not Tobi gave Nagato the actual Rinnegan from Madara or created new Rinnegan out of Nagato's eyes, but it IS clear why he gave it to him. Nagato's family was killed by Konoha ninja, which sparked hatred towards Konoha within Nagato. Nagato was meant to be a pawn to control in a war against Konoha.

- Tobi gets mad @ Nagato because he dies using the Rebirth technique to revive the people of Konoha, and Tobi says 'Nagato was supposed to use that technique for me.' I'm pretty positive that he was going to use it to revive Madara or move Izuna's soul back into his real body, maybe both.

Im not sure that nagato was given his Rinnengan i think that he had it naturally and that he was found and trained by tobi or madara after J man left them because he had it when his parents were killed and killed the men who killed them with it if you remember. It is in Chapter 444 the answer page 14-17.

 

[Chakra Wizard]

Yes, and he probably did die. However, that doesn't mean he stayed dead. Right now we are at a point in the Manga where roughly half of all the important ninja characters have been brought back to life at least one time or another.

Madara is a very powerful ninja. Madara knows techniques that many others don't know. I doubt it would be a stretch for him to bring Izuna back to life. I doubt it would be a stretch for him to bring ANYONE back to life, ESPECIALLY when he possessed the Rinnegan at some point before he died.

- It's entirely possible that Madara awakened the Rinnegan long before he fought Hashirama, and that fighting Hashirama was to secure the DNA to create a new body to store his dead brother's soul in. That could be the secret to the So6Ps 'creation' power, using the Rinnegan, Susanoo, and wood release to create life.

If you believe that Nagato awoke the Rinnegan natrually, you're a moron. You have to be an Uchiha to awaken Rinnegan. It goes Uchiha > Sharingan > Mangekyo Sharingan > Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan > Rinnegan.

We know that Nagato was given the Rinnegan because it was never deactivated once he got it. One of the Rinnegan's ocular powers is the ability to produce more Rinnegan, which we have seen from both Nagato and Tobi (their minions all had Rinnegan too).

It's unclear whether or not Tobi gave Nagato the actual Rinnegan from Madara or created new Rinnegan out of Nagato's eyes, but it IS clear why he gave it to him. Nagato's family was killed by Konoha ninja, which sparked hatred towards Konoha within Nagato. Nagato was meant to be a pawn to control in a war against Konoha.

I'll start from the top. There are currently only three known ways to revive the dead. Chiyo's and Tobirama's were formed after Madara's death and unless he developed the Rinnegan around the time of Izuna's death, he probably didn't revive him with the Outer Path, cause Nagato couldn't revive anyone he killed beyond his time in Konoha.

Aside from Susanoo (how does that fit in there), that theory on The Creation of All Things jutsu actually makes alot of sense. It is supposed to form 'vessels', if you will, and then breathe life into them, like the tailed beasts were. Considering the Senju ancestor received the Sage's "body", and the Uchiha ancestor received his 'eyes', which would likely mean the Wood Release and the Sharingan/Rinnegan, that would definitely explain the two halves of the equation. Though, the one problem with that is the Sage CREATED life with these, not REVIVED it, so another factor would have to come into play regarding Izuna's soul.

That's true regarding Nagato's permanently activated eyes, but we don't have enough info yet to define just how the duplicate eyes formed in the Six Paths. And regarding Serpiente Clan's post, we didn't SEE him develop the Rinnegan. We saw him cry after his parents died, then next thing, he wakes up with the Rinnegan and those shinobi dead. Madara (not Tobi, cause Madara himself actually knew Nagato) probably killed them and gave him the Rinnegan either while he was passed out from shock or due to something Madara himself induced in him. And that's something else. Madara has two sets of eyes (EMS & RNG) but not at the same time. If it was the real Rinnegan, he'd have to give up his whole eye to Nagato. These are my opinions based on gathered information, so don't hate.

 

[squigles]

Im not sure that nagato was given his Rinnengan i think that he had it naturally and that he was found and trained by tobi or madara after J man left them because he had it when his parents were killed and killed the men who killed them with it if you remember. It is in Chapter 444 the answer page 14-17.

Nagato is an Uzumaki, which means he's descended from the Senju, not from the Uchiha. Him awakening the Rinnegan without any help at all, makes about as much sense as Naruto awakening it without any help at all.

Nagato's story of how he got the Rinnegan is exactly that - a story. Everything he remembers could have been part of a genjutsu put on him by Tobi, designed to turn him into who he became.

Kishi hasn't exactly explained 'Nagato has Rinnegan' very well to begin with, so just awakening it, being of the wrong blood line and heritage, is very suspect at best.

Besides, Tobi himself said that he gave it to him.

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Aside from Susanoo (how does that fit in there), that theory on The Creation of All Things jutsu actually makes alot of sense.

In my earlier post a couple pages back, I talked about how Susanoo seems to be an extension of MS, EMS, and Rinnegan, which behaves as a conduit for other techniques. When you see a ninja with a sword, he's just a ninja with a sword, and it's power is of a ninja with a sword. When you see Madara with Susanoo active, wielding a sword, it's a giant ninja with a telephone pole for a sword, and has the power of such.

Then you see when Sasuke uses Susanoo to manipulate Amaterasu into a shield. And when Itachi uses Susanoo to manipulate the Sword of Totsuka and the Yata Mirror, both metaphysical objects. And then when Madara uses Susanoo to form different hand seals simultaneously, summoning a giant meteor.

It seems obvious to me that Susanoo can do whatever the user can imagine and has the power to do. What if it was the tool that the So6P used to manipulate and shape life, using wood release and the Rinnegan.

There are currently only three known ways to revive the dead. Chiyo's and Tobirama's were formed after Madara's death and unless he developed the Rinnegan around the time of Izuna's death, he probably didn't revive him with the Outer Path, cause Nagato couldn't revive anyone he killed beyond his time in Konoha.

The time when Chiyo and Tobirama created their techniques is actually up for debate. Tobirama was alive when Madara was alive. I'm pretty sure Madara was fully aware of Edo Tensei before he died, since he knows all about the technique upon being revived with it.

Whether or not he actually used Edo Tensei is probably not the case. At this point, I remain convinced that someone revived Izuna at some point. It could have been Madara with his dying breath.

It could have been whomever Madara was allied with at the time of his death (cuz I am sure he wasn't acting alone).

 

[baah]

"tajuu makuton bunshin"...... gives us a glimpse of hashirama's style of fighting.... kinda like naruto....

 

[baah]

hmm....it seems that the risk of ryochidou sage mode is that you might go insane if you dont balance your yin,yang and nature.... and it seems to me that the snake merged to kabuto is the one helping him stay in sage mode permanently.....
and i guess ryochidou sage mode and toad-sage mode is different in the way they take in natures energy.... i guess dark sage-mode user needs to focus on his hatred to feel natures energy while toad-sages focuses on extreme calmness.....

now that naruto and kurama are friends i guess he can use the toad sages to merge with him to permanently stay in sage mode.... that would upgrade bijuu-mode's power to ten-fold... lol... and upgraded sensing ability that allows naruto to read minds..lol.. (just exaggerating)

 

[SasukexNeji]

Why am I getting the feeling that Sasuke's gonna turn out to be a protagonist again???

It's his destiny dude/dudette. Let me fill you and everyone else in on something. Kishi has told us all who his favorite is (Sasuke), do you all actually think Sasuke won't get the brightest shine after it's all said and done? C'mon..I think I'm being pretty accurate when I say Kishi named his manga Naruto before being converted to Sasukeanity. That, or he did it to TROLL US ALL.

Muhammed Ali, Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, Lionel Messi*, Babe Ruth, Dale Earnhardt, Tiger Woods...yeah...I think you have to include Sasuke to that list, he's certainly the G.O.A.T when it comes to Japanese fictional characters and more specifically ninja's.

 

[Medgaara]

It was Okay!!

 

[Chakra Wizard]

The time when Chiyo and Tobirama created their techniques is actually up for debate. Tobirama was alive when Madara was alive. I'm pretty sure Madara was fully aware of Edo Tensei before he died, since he knows all about the technique upon being revived with it.

Whether or not he actually used Edo Tensei is probably not the case. At this point, I remain convinced that someone revived Izuna at some point. It could have been Madara with his dying breath.

It could have been whomever Madara was allied with at the time of his death (cuz I am sure he wasn't acting alone).

Oh yeah, I forgot all about him recalling the technique. But, he also showed disgust when he was told that he was summoned with it, so I doubt he'd use it on Izuna. But, how do we know that those apparent flashbacks of Izuna laying blindfolded in a coffin are genuine?

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Maybe Madara never saw Izuna die and was only told this by...someone. Wasn't it said that he died on the battlefield even though he was blind? And don't forget that Madara told the readers that he was dead in chapter 577, so if he was still alive, Madara would probably have no idea. And in chapter 560, right after he showed up on the battlefield, he referred to Tobi as 'that someone', so he probably doesn't know who he is himself. Considering Madara's certainty in Izuna's death, I doubt he revived him.

 

[QuickSilver2388]

Nagato is an Uzumaki, which means he's descended from the Senju, not from the Uchiha. Him awakening the Rinnegan without any help at all, makes about as much sense as Naruto awakening it without any help at all.

Nagato's story of how he got the Rinnegan is exactly that - a story. Everything he remembers could have been part of a genjutsu put on him by Tobi, designed to turn him into who he became.

Kishi hasn't exactly explained 'Nagato has Rinnegan' very well to begin with, so just awakening it, being of the wrong blood line and heritage, is very suspect at best.

Besides, Tobi himself said that he gave it to him.

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all of this is speculation because no one has said that u have to be and Uchiha to awaken the rinningan and nagato being put under an genjutsu was never established so why would u even say that im speaking about facts that can be proven so as far we know nagato awoke rinningan on his own. Also one could assume that if you a direct desendent of the SO6P you could awaken the rinninegan no one has said other wise so every one should stop assuming that you need to be uchiha to get it tobi also said that he was Madara so since when can we believe everything he says come on now better evidence than that i said that mabe tobi told him how to use it to the fullest that could also be how he gave it to him.

 

[lion fang master]

Ok but i want to repeat my earlier question

Why dont kabuto undo itachi'edo tensei ?!

that's simply he can't because there is a genjutsu that is place over the talisman kabuto has place on them. Kabuto is not controlling them by genjutsu, its by chakra with the help of the talisman place in them, kind like kankuros puppets + itachi is not going to stand still for kabuto to undo it if he could.

 

[lion fang master]

hmm....it seems that the risk of ryochidou sage mode is that you might go insane if you dont balance your yin,yang and nature.... and it seems to me that the snake merged to kabuto is the one helping him stay in sage mode permanently.....
and i guess ryochidou sage mode and toad-sage mode is different in the way they take in natures energy.... i guess dark sage-mode user needs to focus on his hatred to feel natures energy while toad-sages focuses on extreme calmness.....

now that naruto and kurama are friends i guess he can use the toad sages to merge with him to permanently stay in sage mode.... that would upgrade bijuu-mode's power to ten-fold... lol... and upgraded sensing ability that allows naruto to read minds..lol.. (just exaggerating)

I like ur post I have also similar references myself that's why Naruto to me is now clearly rikoudu sage younger son reconated full sagemode means sage body, kuruma's chakra is field with life energy, then u have Naruto has who has uzumaki DNA. But the good part for me is the six gift Naruto received from the bijus don't know what they are but something tells me those are going to be Naruto 6 path abilities. Also I have selfish request that I hope happens I really want Naruto to have the banana fan.

 

[squigles]

Oh yeah, I forgot all about him recalling the technique. But, he also showed disgust when he was told that he was summoned with it, so I doubt he'd use it on Izuna. But, how do we know that those apparent flashbacks of Izuna laying blindfolded in a coffin are genuine?

I think his disgust comes from the fact that he was summoned, probably not when he was supposed to be. I don't think that the overall plan was for him to be summoned and controlled by Orochimaru or his assistant.

I also don't think that losing Nagato was according to plan, and I think that Tobi needed Nagato for some part of his plan.

Maybe Madara never saw Izuna die and was only told this by...someone. Wasn't it said that he died on the battlefield even though he was blind? And don't forget that Madara told the readers that he was dead in chapter 577, so if he was still alive, Madara would probably have no idea. And in chapter 560, right after he showed up on the battlefield, he referred to Tobi as 'that someone', so he probably doesn't know who he is himself. Considering Madara's certainty in Izuna's death, I doubt he revived him.

At this point I am pretty confident that Orochimaru may have had a lot to do with Tobi's and Zetsu's existence.

 

[uhIpooped]

Ok but i want to repeat my earlier question

Why dont kabuto undo itachi'edo tensei ?!

Because Kabuto's tech goes against Konoha, which is part of the alliance... So he can't

 

[QuickSilver2388]

So I've said this once already as a reply but I'm going to say it again for anyone who missed it. No one know how to get Rinnegan, no one know how Nagato got Rinnegan, no one knows if you need to be an Uchiha or if simply being from the same line as the So6p is enough. I know tobi said that he gave nagato his Rinnegan but lets be real Tobi says alot of things Like (oh gee let me think) I'm Uchiha Madara (cleary a lie) because now he says I'm no body, so lets not go disrespecting other ppls theorys calling them morons because their theories are no less valaid than yours because they are just theories from all of us NO ONE KNOWS but Kishi

 

[QuickSilver2388]

one more thing if you say something back it up with the facts not just your theories the people who i read the most always show evidence with they say and back up their theories with facts not oh on Nagato's memories were genjutsu induced and he does not know his own past with not evidence to support that at all.

 

[lelouch123]

am tired of sasuke(too confused) someone shd kill him already may be kabuto will do it!