Who could solo Madara (not including SOSP)

[Raito]

LOL at the people saying Tobi is better with the Rinnegan than Nagato........You don't just get the eyes and suddenly know how to use all its abilities. It takes practice. And Nagato had 30 years of it....

Nagato is just a naive guy. Tobi possesses maybe the greatest knowledge, the DouJutsus itself included. It's not a matter of practice, because Tobi used all techniques with ease. He also wanted to use the Gedo Rinne Tensei Nagato used to revive the dead in Konoha. Thus Tobi is in the position to use all techniques with the Rinnegan he has taken from Nagato.

 

[arv993]

LOL at the people saying Tobi is better with the Rinnegan than Nagato........You don't just get the eyes and suddenly know how to use all its abilities. It takes practice. And Nagato had 30 years of it....

no it doesnt who the hell told you it takes a lot of practice. Tobi also already has a hell lot of knowledge about it. He is using the outer path to control 5 taied beasts at the same time not an easy feat, used gedo mazo effortlessly. Did he go practice for 30 years no he did not. and tobi did say he had the rinnegan and gave it to nagato how do u know thats not true.

And tobi had knowledge about rinnegan he knew about rinne tensei jutsu and also knew about how human path takes all the info out of someone he definitely knows about the rinnegan.

This is naruto ppl especially geniuses learn everything fast

how long did sasuke use ms to learn most of its moves

he learned how to use sussano and all its stages in one damn day
he learned how to control the flames of amaterasu on that same day
he didnt need practice to use tsukiyomi



Its pathetic when ppl keep saying that tobi dont know crap about the rinnegan when he is the one of the most knowledgeable person in the entire manga. And there have been more than one instance where he demonstrates that knowledge

 

[Datguyjr]

Hashirama - Mid-High Difficulty
Tobi - High-Extreme Difficulty
Nagato - High-Extreme Difficulty
Naruto - Extreme-Nearly Impossible Difficulty (Currently)
Sasuke - Extreme-Nearly Impossible Difficulty (Currently)

 

[-Broly-]

Tobi

-He's better with the Rinnegan than Nagato.
-He has Gedo Mazo with the chakra of 7 bijuus.
-He has S/T techs.
-He has a very powerful base Sharingan.
-His physical strength is at least above average, for sure.
-He possibly has Wood Release.

Better with the rinnegan than nagato?!? Says who

 

[Datguyjr]

LOL at the people saying Tobi is better with the Rinnegan than Nagato........You don't just get the eyes and suddenly know how to use all its abilities. It takes practice. And Nagato had 30 years of it....

This

 

[Raito]

Yeah who says that Nagatos use of Rinnegan is better? Maybe Madara by himself was already able to use all paths, Gedo Mazo and the Gedo Rinne Tensei and has given it to Nagato this little brat on this level? Remember, Madara himself mentioned the Gedo Rinne Tensei with them Nagato should revive him. Who says that Madara didn't give Nagato a perfected Rinnegan? You can't just say Nagato has a better Rinnegan control because he had more experience. Who knows how much expirience Madara had with his Rinnegan. I'd say the one is better who can spam meteors.

 

[Raito]

Above all it's just ridiculous to compare the Rinnegan alone with EMS, Mokuton AND Rinnegan even if Madara can't use it on Nagatos level.

 

[Midday]

Yeah who says that Nagatos use of Rinnegan is better? Maybe Madara by himself was already able to use all paths, Gedo Mazo and the Gedo Rinne Tensei and has given it to Nagato this little brat on this level? Remember, Madara himself mentioned the Gedo Rinne Tensei with them Nagato should revive him. Who says that Madara didn't give Nagato a perfected Rinnegan? You can't just say Nagato has a better Rinnegan control because he had more experience. Who knows how much expirience Madara had with his Rinnegan. I'd say the one is better who can spam meteors.

Madara died right after he got rinnengan. So he probably didn't have much experience. As for spamming the meteors I'm sure they can all do it except for the part where it just kills you if you're not an edo, we saw Nagato do it on a smaller scale against Bee and Naruto.

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[enditallsin]

even now that madara is a edo he still praises hashirama and recognizes him as the stronger of the 2, hashirama has a much of a chances as any powerful shinobi, tobi i agree can do it but tobi has only had the rinnegan for a short period of time, and madara only had it recently before his death that wasn't very long at all soo....as much as madara and tobi know about the rinnegan nagato has actually experience its power and can say to have mastered it to the fullest with 30 years practice , madara and tobi have not even come close that shit please.....so madara fights a complete healthy nagato(with mobility) he could pull it off, because madara or tobi could never outmatch nagato in terms of using the of using the rinnegan powers,and please i hope one of these ******s don't say that punk bitch queer ass piece shit itachi can otherwise their as big a ****** as he is.

 

[arv993]

Madara died right after he got rinnengan. So he probably didn't have much experience.

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he doesnt have much exp but still he can use it well. he knew how to use meteors and preta path.

his powers are also stronger and on a bigger scale such as the meteor in this case. he is closer to the sage is the likely reason.

 

[~MC117~]

The only people that might stand a chance imo at the moment are tobi and Naruto.

 

[Datguyjr]

Nagato is/should be the most experienced with the Rinnegan, not saying he's the strongest with it. Based on what we've seen, Madara & Tobi's Rinnegan Jutsu's are on a higher scale then Nagato's.

 

[Midday]

The only one I would say has a good chance of winning is Tobi assuming he can do everything we've seen Nagato do with the rinnengan + the jinchuriki as his paths + his own Jutsu like his space time. The rest would probably give him a mid - high difficulty fight.

 

[StrifeMaccy]

madara is the combination of himself and Hashirama, S06P and maybe full powered tobi could beat him, everyone else would be destroyed

 

[arv993]

The only one I would say has a good chance of winning is Tobi assuming he can do everything we've seen Nagato do with the rinnengan + the jinchuriki as his paths + his own Jutsu like his space time. The rest would probably give him a mid - high difficulty fight.

ur forgetting kabuto

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Till proven otherwise...I guess you have a point there. :shrug:

But I guess Tobi will prove that he's better with the Rinnegan soon.

Thanks for at least being reasonable ... if Tobi shows all of Nagatos moves with the same amount of mastery with s/t it would make him horribly horribly haxxed thats one reason i dont think he will it would unbalance the manga the same if Nagato was uncontrolled roaming the battlefield healthy

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Sasuke - No
Itachi - No

Hashirama - High to Med. Difficulty
Nagato - High to Mid .Difficulty
Tobi - Maybe but not for now

Hashirama No

Nagato No

Tobi

Itachi possibly

Gaara(in sand village)

 

[Blaze Release]

Tbh nobody can really say nagato is better with the rennigan than Tobi.
Simple really, jiraiya had sm for 30 years or so and couldnt master it. Naruto did in a month.

Kakashi and jiraiya both knew of rasengan for quiet some time and couldnt fuse their nature chakra into it, yet naruto did.

Itachi has the ms for about 8 years and hasnt demonstrated the ability to mold it around susano. Yet sasuke has.

It took lee great time and effort to achieve his speed, yet sasuke did within a weak.

What im basically saying is that there are certain scenario's that the argument for experience holds little. Also look at madara. In his short time he has shown us the ability to absorb 2 op techniques in rs and dust release. He has also shown us to use banshou tennin to pull a meteor. Nagato's pulled a little rock.

Similarly he has shown us the ability to use mokouton with little effort as if he already had this ability. From wood clones, mokotuon jukai kotan, mokouton kajukai korin. To add insult to injury, techniques that yamato whom has more experience with mokouton hasnt demonstrated

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Tenten

 

[arv993]

Tbh nobody can really say nagato is better with the rennigan than Tobi.
Simple really, jiraiya had sm for 30 years or so and couldnt master it. Naruto did in a month.

Kakashi and jiraiya both knew of rasengan for quiet some time and couldnt fuse their nature chakra into it, yet naruto did.

Itachi has the ms for about 8 years and hasnt demonstrated the ability to mold it around susano. Yet sasuke has.

It took lee great time and effort to achieve his speed, yet sasuke did within a weak.

What im basically saying is that there are certain scenario's that the argument for experience holds little. Also look at madara. In his short time he has shown us the ability to absorb 2 op techniques in rs and dust release. He has also shown us to use banshou tennin to pull a meteor. Nagato's pulled a little rock.

Similarly he has shown us the ability to use mokouton with little effort as if he already had this ability. From wood clones, mokotuon jukai kotan, mokouton kajukai korin. To add insult to injury, techniques that yamato whom has more experience with mokouton hasnt demonstrated

yes exactly

sasuke, naruto constatly show how easily they just get new techs. It doesnt take them a hell long of a time to achieve it.

Tobi in this case has already shown to use the rinnegan with ease as seen when he uses gedo mazo in comparison to nagato. As well as when he uses the outer path