Kisame vs EMS Madara (argument included)

[fati]

for Meteorite Technique Madara used Banshō Ten'in and increased its range and power with susanoo's hand seals

 

[EL MAGNIFICO]

I agree with most of ur points ...but u shud consider amaterasu and tsukuyomi cuz they r crucial for one to have susanoo .!!

 

[choft]

Um, why has no one mentioned that EMS Madara can summon Kurama?

 

[F1N1X]

Genjutsu doesn't work on Kisame?

By saying Kisame is going against Edo Madara he is implying that he has the same abilities as he does now since he is Edo Madara. Also just because it says EMS doesnt mean he does not have wood release considering Madara is using EMS now and is using wood release.

Hahaha you guys are looking way too much into it. They say in the manga that by awakening the two abilities in the eyes, Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, you awaken susanoo

correct me if im wrong, but madara's meteorite technique was one of his susanoo's powers. how do you expect kisame to counter that

this is flawed cause it was said that madara mastered the ms so he almost certainly has amaterasu but assuming he doesnt you do have a point

Oh okay. Well although it's showing fear how can we know for sure that it's genjutsu?

Even IF it is Kisame has Samehada that CONSTANTLY disrupts Kisames chakra by giving and taking chakra.

did u guys forget that fire style jutsus hurt samehada

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look at what bee says

And look at madara's fire techs

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Not only that he has genjutsu

third the OP is comparing a person we know all most all info on to some we have little info on. Madara has only shown us his sussano nothing more than that, he is toying with the kages and using mokuton still did not show all his ems powers.

"Although it continually consumes the chakra of its owner, its largest meals come from fights, wherein it absorbs the chakra of the opposition instead. Such an ability allows Samehada to literally slice through an opponent's techniques, in spite of whether the chakra has been transformed or not,[6] and even prevent them from being performed by absorbing all of the necessary chakra, before preparations can be completed."

Narutowikia.

Yeah, but it came back to him.

Kisame is still a gargantuan ninja w.o samehada he's just way stronger with.

Kisame can also fuse with it making separation a non factor.

guys its as simple as this madara activates izangi then land some meterods on the earth killing both of them and izanagi brings him back and he replaces the eye like tobi simple!!!

Yeah it's easier to absorb the chakra when he's fused he just has to touch whatever.

I did a whole research thread on him and made a Kisame vs Hashirama thread, I know a lot about him now lol. He's kind of OP

Madara wins. Itachi was already said to be stronger than Kisame and Madara is basically a stronger Itachi. Kisame's sword has a hard time absorbing fire is the first problem and Madara also has amaterasu and Tsukiyomi. According to the databook, tsukiyomi and amaterasu must be activated to be able to use susanoo. Also, where did you get the idea that Susanoo is made of chakra?

Because he already absorbed Itachis strongest Katon jutsu meaning he can absorb Katon jutsu.

I say Madara's uses Tsukuyomi to stop Kisame, and Yasaka Magatama to killed him.


Madara with low Difficulty.

what if madara where to separate kisame and his sword just like guy did and then Tsukuyomi kisame thus winning.

you seem to not belive madra has amatersu so let me explain before you get susanoo you must have amatersu and tykyuomi and madara already has susanoo meaning he has amatersu
as they say suanoo is the 3rd ability of the ms

From my memory, I don't think it was ever stated in the manga that Susanoo is made from chakra.

So we should take your assumption as fact? Susanoo in the naruto series is base off Susanoo a Shinto god in japanese mythology.I can easily say susanoo is a summoned deity and not chakra base at that.Is the shinigami summon when Minato used the Death Reaper Seal made from chakra too? The only person who doesn't have common sense here is you.Common sense is base on one's judgement of facts.What fact or facts do you have to that show that Susanoo is made from chakra? Try reading something beside mangas, it's obvious you have little knowledge of the world.

as i stated i dont like to use the wiki because it is not a reliable source but you did so i proved it to you on your medium .

Madara uchia has amaterasu its been explained through the manga and your wiki that you need to awaken amaterasu and tsukuyomi to awaken sussano ,

madara uchia has sussano so he has amaterasu and tsukuyomi just because he has refrained from showing it doesn't mean he cant .

95% of people have disagreed with you know one is supporting you right now where i have 2 others possible more people and agreeing with me.

Madara doesn't even need to use amaterasu and tsukuyomi to win he will demolish kisame with his sussano ,


Can you produce me a manga page where its shown sussano is made out of chackra ?

Exactly, Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu have nothing to do with Susanoo.



Samehada takes chakra and gives chakra to Kisame.

Samehada is a living creature and it shares Chakra with Kisame.

Disruption of chakra cancels any genjutsu

Exactly, Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu have nothing to do with Susanoo.


dude how can you say tsukuyomi and amtersdu does not have anything to do with suanoo?
IF it were not for it suanoo wouldnt have come and the reason tobi said it was rear is because not every uchia who awakens the ms gets am and tyki

me too /:

But both have a shot at winning I give the edge to Kisame.

Madara has NO answer to water dome.

Or the shark bullet.

Susanoo is chakra, or else it wouldn't be activated. Techniques are chakra, it's foolish to say susanoo isn't chakra.

BTW, susanoo is vulnerable below it and while they are on water below susanoo is open for sharks.

what if madara activates susanoo and surrounds it with amatersu like sauke and remeber amatersu can not be out so he would be invinsable unless kisame would want to try a raikage stunt and keep in mind its just both of them no back up so madara would win with mid difficulty

Not sure if Kisame would even lose to Itachi....It was a given since we saw Kisame fight Bee that he shares chakra with Samehada, making Tsukiyomi useless; Kisame could likely absorb Amaterasu as well. If fire can be absorbed by Preta Path, why can't Blaze Release be absorbed as well? Just a thought. With those out of the way, it makes things considerably easier for Kisame.

If he can easily outmaneuver Bee, it'd be easy enough to dodge Amaterasu.

MADARA UCHIA HAS AMATERASU TSUKUYOMI the manga said so and even the wiki ,
its rare to have sussano but you have to have both AMATERASU and TSUKUYOMI to even have a chance of furthering it to sussano .

The great madara uchia would be able to beat kisame.

He would burn kisame and his sword with amaterasu or hed sperate them and gen jutsu them or he would have and army of shadown clones using sussano fight kisame and tier him out and then the real madara would come out and kill kisame .
Kisame doesnt have a chance here with madara uchia.

Kisame got beaten buy guy Madra would beat guy .

You don't make a scenario like that you compare their abilities.

Amaterasu is chakra as well. Madara hasn't used Amaterasu so he doesn't have it.

look this figh is simple madara some how hits samahada away from kisame which is not that hard then genjustsu time and its over haha

yes amaterasu is chackra but you cant absorb it kisames sword samehada gets hurt by simple fire techs imagine the eternal burning black flames amaterasu that doesn't go out until the object or thing is burning is gone samehada would be destroyed and even if madara uchia was tacked by 100sharks he will just genjutsu the simple minded sharks to attack kisame

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Samehada is Kisames weapon.

You're forgetting about Madara's Sharingan abilities U_U
With the Sharingan, Taijutsu and Kenjutsu go into Madara's favor because of the Sharingan's predicting ability. Also, if Madara is Edo, then he won't have to worry about Kisames 1000 Sharks, he will just regenerate. Also, you are forgetting Tsukuyomi and how the heck is Kisame going to counter two meteorites?

what if Samehada likes madara's chackra better ? , Amaterasu cannot be absorbed Samehada doesn't like fire but just managed to absorb some of it ,the eternal burning black flames of Amaterasu would destroy Samehada

Since when is it stated that Amaterasu was chakra? if Amaterasu was chakra, Nagato would have absorbed with the Preta Path instead of repelling it with Shinra Tensei, and the meteorites still stand.

samehada is not a weapon but a living creature thats why it betrayed kisame because he was abussing it

and I forgot samehada has a limit to absorbing chrkra too much and it will burst and madara has quit a good amount of charkra to continously shoot amatresu untill samehada explodes or burns

Say, can't madara reverse time? I know he can.

..,.

 

[Son of God]

All Madara has to do is stare at Samehada and use Ama, whether or not it can absorb it. Fish on a stick within seconds.

 

[IntheEndAllWillDIE]

I am sorry but the level of experience and intelligence between the two are worlds apart. Madara would easily defeat kisame. :scorps:

 

[arv993]

It split the ball right down the middle. It isn't the largest sword so it wouldn't absorb the whole thing.

So your saying it will absorb amaterasu?? The smartest opposition on this thread.

Even if it's hurt chakra heals. Amaterasus chakra can heal it since it's a being just like Kisame.

amaterasu is on another level compared to the other fire jutsu that pretty much made samehada hurt, no way is it taking the damage especially when parts of the fir continue to burn its not really going to very useful after that attack lol.

 

[Noctics]

A>B>C logic duos not work in naruto like it would in dragon ball z because of every one has different skills not just a who make the bigger energy blast

remember frog> slug, snake>frog, slug > snake this was in the anime

*Does

 

[LordRaikage24]

Are you Saying Kisame would Beat EMS madara or Edo madara?

 

[LordRaikage24]

Kisame would be pretty close with EMS Madara since Madara wouldn't have enough chakra to use all the delights of the EMS. The only thing is that we never really got to see EMS Madara fight at all and we are not fully updated with his abilities
Rinnegan Madara would be a little ahead of Kisame since Kisame could again drain Madara's chakra, but Rinnegan Madara has the advantage with using the six paths which almost no one can beat
Edo Madara would destroy Kisame with all the stuff edo madara has shown in the Manga so far

 

[sageofsixpath3258]

amaterasu will burn sameheda because sameheda is shark skin and it can't take fire base techs talkless of amaterasu well

 

[Trendy]

anways madara has just stood there most the time he is very fast because they have offical clips of madara fighting the first also his sharigan is far more evoleved than sauskes(which is stronger because of itachi's eyes) and we do know that madara has amatersu because ALL evolved sharigans learn it there is nothing unique from eye to eye!

 

[TheFifthMizukage]

If A>B and B>C then by some math priciple Mighto Gai can defeat EMS madara

 

[dcastellon]

because madara has a sharingan he can use teleportation techniques thus allowing him to teleport out of any jutsu that is a trap

 

[zombiejesus]

yea kisame gets a bad rep because gai ****ed him up like he was a bitch but it was a bad match but madara i dont know i say genjutsu takes kisame out of the game madara owns him every time man sorry thats what i think but i agree he is hugley underrated

 

[Nikes]

yea kisame gets a bad rep because gai ****ed him up like he was a bitch but it was a bad match but madara i dont know i say genjutsu takes kisame out of the game madara owns him every time man sorry thats what i think but i agree he is hugley underrated

Very underrated. The people that underrate him don't understand his abilities

 

[Chakra Wizard]

Heh, I never really thought about it, but when you get down to it, you're probably right. Of course, you got your facts on MOST of Madara's powers, but what about genjutsu? Madara's ninjutsu and taijutsu would likely be outmatched or overcome, true, but I don't see Kisame escaping Tsukoyomi. +rep for your thoughts, though. Just goes to show that Madara wasn't as powerful as everybody believes.

 

[Sukalotta Kok]

Gai Fudged Kisame up only because he has no chakra. Gai's the complete Counter for Kisame, everything he has to lay out there, Gai can counter it WITHOUT using chakra which he doesnt have. Say someone with Chakra has a ticking nuke like Madara's Meteor then that'll help Kisame out a lot. Madara possess the Rinnegan correct me if im wrong. If EMS is all he can use then maybe Kisame has the edge, but if Madara can use his Rinnegan which he should, then Madara has the edge.

 

[Sukalotta Kok]

Yes, I've arrived to give my opinion
Kisame wins. How?
I'll explain
He's Itachi's partner so he knows not to make eye contact and its also common Sharingan battling knowledge(Kisame has same databook intelligence with Sasuke, Neji so he's not an idiot)
Samehada will eat Amaterasu but will complain.
Kisame's giant water release techs will counter fire release techs.
Kisame has the ability to go underground which is Susanoo's weakness then come up under Susanoo behind Madara then Samehada eats all Madara's chakra so he can't even use Susanoo anymore.
Kisame can use water clones to prevent genjutsu by confusing Madara with numbers and fight long range(this is in case Madara has any non eye contact genjutsu)
In straight taijutsu, Kisame wins with clones helping him and Samehada helping as well plus there's the 1000 feeding sharks technique.
If EMS Madara has Kyubi then Kisame can
Eat Kyubi's chakra then use his large water tech that he used on Bee
He can use his large shark that eats enemy attacks to get bigger, to eat TBB and get big enough to knock Kyubi down then eat his chakra.


Kisame wins without incident.

you're showing what Kisame would do as if Madara was standing still with susanoo on blast. Pretty sure if Kisame were to be underground Madara would react to it. What would Jesus do A.K.A Madara? Not being a fanboy or anything but ur just showing me one side of the picture, one piece of the arguement not both sides.

 

[Zlad]

Wow, ur stupid if you think Kisame beat Madara dude