t's offical, Kakashi and Gai have surpassed the sannin
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Kakashi has been introduced from the near start of Naruto, Kakashi will protect his comrades at all costs. Tsunade at one point was just a hoe. Jiraya was just a wonderer and Orochimaru was pitiful and needed to die. Kakashi is alive to this day for a reason, and that is to protect his comrades.
Tsunade is weak.
Jiraya had not very much bonds with the people.
Orochimaru was a weirdo haha.
In naruto we are told that having bonds and protecting them is what makes you strong and powerful, Kakashi and Gai vow to protect them and so they surpass the Sannin.
Tsunade is weak.
Jiraya had not very much bonds with the people.
Orochimaru was a weirdo haha.
In naruto we are told that having bonds and protecting them is what makes you strong and powerful, Kakashi and Gai vow to protect them and so they surpass the Sannin.
Itachi Namikaze
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Another instance of people taking every single word in the manga literally. That is just feel good nonsense about principles and whatnot. Every story needs stuff like that because without it you can't distinguish the villains from the heroes.
You are clearly incapable of processing what you read.
Read his post one more time and go slowly this time.
Baseline claims? How is stating that the Sannin are on different levels a baseline claim? It's a fact.
Jiraiya was able to fight 3 Paths with absolutely no knowledge of their powers and won. Kakashi wouldn't ever be able to do this - not with zero knowledge anyways. He was pushed to his limits with just Deva and Asura path. Ya, let's assume Kakashi took them out. How much longer do you think he would have been able to go on? Kakashi admits to Chouza that he saved him from using a bunch of chakra. Chakra supply has always been a short coming of Kakashi and even now it is. He's a ninjutsu specialist and expert tactician, but in terms of chakra supply he's average.
As for taking care of the 7 Swordsman of the Mist, this does not mean he has a huge chakra supply. He was using Zabuza's Kubikiribocho the entire fight. This is kenjutsu, not ninjutsu. And it saved Kakashi tons of chakra by not having to rely on ninjutsu techniques. Using chakra flow on a sword and slicing through opponents is far far less costly in chakra consumption than using full blown ninjutsu techniques. Not to mention he was leading an entire battalion. This was not Kakashi versus the 7 Swordsman. It was Kakashi's regiment (which is dozens of shinobi) versus the 7 Swordsman. The spotlight really shouldn't be shining on Kakashi for this.
Now, for Kakashi and Gai against the Jinchuuriki. Kakashi and Gai barely did anything to them. Granted, they might have held them back for a short while but you're neglecting to mention that Naruto and Bee were also with them. Naruto and Bee were able to hold them at bay or a while by themselves. Kakashi and Gai helped, but it's not like they turned the tide of the entire battle.
How about we think of it like this:
If you were in Naruto's position, would you rather have Kakashi and Gai come to your (and Bee's) aid? Or would you rather have Jiraiya and Orochimaru come to your aid?
I don't know about you, but I choose Jiraiya and Orochimaru.
Kakashi Fang
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Don't make excuses for Kisame that's pathetic.
Yeah Kisame was weakened but still happened to pull off his most powerful ninjutsu attack, so he must have not been that weakened.
You say Kisame had no knowledge of Guy's jutsu!?
Guy had no knowledge of Kisames jutsu either so that statement is irrelevant.
They are shinobi their not always gonna know their enemies abilities in and out.
Even if he had Samehada and was 100% the same thing would have happened, unless you think otherwise id love to hear it.
Itachi Namikaze
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I don't want this to turn into a Guy vs. Kisame thread, but if you reread that battle Kisame tanked that hit from Hiru Dora and then was standing up before Guy came and kicked him back down.
With Samehada he could heal from any damage taken, and he likely wouldn't have taken that much damage if he had been at full strength.
With knowledge of Guy's attack he would not have tried to absorb it, as you saw he just stood there and waited for his shark missile to overcome it. However if he had been full strength he could have made a giant water dome. With Samehada he can absorb chakra through the water, and it would suit his fused form even better.
Anyway if you want to make a Guy vs. Kisame rematch thread go do it, but this is a thread about the Sannin and Kakashi and Guy.
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Still waiting on the official part... :\
OT: The three got called sannin for a reason, and since then they got a lot stronger. Oro did more research, J-man more perverting and Tsunade more gambling. Clearly Kakashi who reads J-mans books isn't at the same level... Sheesh.
But seriously, on topic.
In my opinion I don't think any of them are quite at sannin level. They are close, but just not quite. People are saying they can take out Tsunade, well to be honest she is a medi-nin. They were a 3 man cell in the war when Hanzo gave them the title "Sannin", she was given the title through the acknowledgement of her healing abilities and unrivalled strength, Now she is even hokage!
Sure she doesn't have an array of jutsu as as her fellow sannin's but like I said she is known for her healing aspects, so even if she were to be defeated by Kakashi or Gai, I still don't think they are on sannin level for taking out a 'medi-nin' at sannin level.
I think I over stressed my point of why she is at sannin level, but for her healing, yus?
OT: The three got called sannin for a reason, and since then they got a lot stronger. Oro did more research, J-man more perverting and Tsunade more gambling. Clearly Kakashi who reads J-mans books isn't at the same level... Sheesh.
But seriously, on topic.
In my opinion I don't think any of them are quite at sannin level. They are close, but just not quite. People are saying they can take out Tsunade, well to be honest she is a medi-nin. They were a 3 man cell in the war when Hanzo gave them the title "Sannin", she was given the title through the acknowledgement of her healing abilities and unrivalled strength, Now she is even hokage!
Sure she doesn't have an array of jutsu as as her fellow sannin's but like I said she is known for her healing aspects, so even if she were to be defeated by Kakashi or Gai, I still don't think they are on sannin level for taking out a 'medi-nin' at sannin level.
I think I over stressed my point of why she is at sannin level, but for her healing, yus?
soulless uchiha
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Nope.
I know.
Jiraiya is better suited for multiple opponents who have access to large summons (since he has his own) Kakashi is better suited to fight someone like Deidara for example.
You're not considering matchups.
I like how you say "juts Deva and Asura path" Do I need to remind you they are BY FAR (especially Deva) the most powerful Pain bodies.
That isn't the point.
It's far better than it used to be.
Average compared to chakra beasts like Tsunade/Naruto/Kisame etc? Yes. However he has more than enough for a decent fight.
But what it does imply is
Kakashi was able to use the sharingan for a day and still use 2/3 raikiri in the battle (on panel) channel raiton through his sword) Remember he was fighting for a day (I'm not going to use off panel feats to say he used this and that, but when he and Gai saved Naruto (the main character)
Kakashi used a Raikiri
Raiden/Close
and still had enough chakra left to use Kamui despite fighting for the full day. That's insane and shows how far he has come. Even before this war, he has shown improvements.
Check the panels out.
Naruto and Bee were not helping Kakashi and Gai at first.
Wrong, Kakashi and Gai DID turn the tide of the battle. If it wasn't for them Naruto was done for.
Kakashi and Gai of course.
Have you seen how Orochimaru looks? The guy's a pedo who likes little boys like Sasuke.
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Itachi Namikaze
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The only person still arguing for Kakashi and Guy is the one right above your post blazekev, he is trying to spin things to make Kakashi and Guy seem greater than they are.
I bet he is even one of those people that thinks that Guy with the eight gates is as strong as the 4th raikage.
I bet he is even one of those people that thinks that Guy with the eight gates is as strong as the 4th raikage.
Akatsuki wise guy
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i guess you intentionally left that out
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and he also had the location advantage and guy beat his ass your point?
blazekev90
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If both were to fight it would be most likely be in open space since thats where most fights take place, which would automatically give Oro that edge as he either;
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These two techniques also prevent Kakashi attempt to using a clone and his he tried to go under ground Oro could easily counter by doing the same thing, but more effective
Now, if Kakashi tries to use Kamui to start off. Oro would avoid it by using a combinations of
and shunshin, YES oro is also a shunshin user
now this down to taijutsu, now while Kakashi maybe better at Taijutsu, Oro have ways to easily counter and make unpredictable techniques;
or Soft Physique Modification
No, during this taijutsu, Orochimaru has the ablitliy to use sealing or genjustu.
But lets not forget speed. Kakashi yes fast, but as mentions Oro is a shunshin user, but also has the ablilty to use slither mode
increases his speed and agility
we also forget who scared Kakashi once in the presence of Oro, so could use
Its a temporary paralysis. As we say oro was playing with sasuke and sakura, when both were paralysed. (KEY HE WAS PLAYING)
THESE ARE WYAS OROCHIMARU COULD COUNTER KAKASHI'S ATTACKS AND THERE ARE MORE!
ALSO, NOTICE I DIDNT EVEN MENTION HIS STRONGEST OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE ATTACKS.
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These two techniques also prevent Kakashi attempt to using a clone and his he tried to go under ground Oro could easily counter by doing the same thing, but more effective
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Now, if Kakashi tries to use Kamui to start off. Oro would avoid it by using a combinations of
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and shunshin, YES oro is also a shunshin user
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now this down to taijutsu, now while Kakashi maybe better at Taijutsu, Oro have ways to easily counter and make unpredictable techniques;
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or Soft Physique Modification
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No, during this taijutsu, Orochimaru has the ablitliy to use sealing or genjustu.
But lets not forget speed. Kakashi yes fast, but as mentions Oro is a shunshin user, but also has the ablilty to use slither mode
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increases his speed and agility
we also forget who scared Kakashi once in the presence of Oro, so could use
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Its a temporary paralysis. As we say oro was playing with sasuke and sakura, when both were paralysed. (KEY HE WAS PLAYING)
THESE ARE WYAS OROCHIMARU COULD COUNTER KAKASHI'S ATTACKS AND THERE ARE MORE!
ALSO, NOTICE I DIDNT EVEN MENTION HIS STRONGEST OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE ATTACKS.
Akatsuki wise guy
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not my fault kisame himself does not have the power to take guy and needs samehades help. besides the only fights he was in was naruto who hit him once but kisame healed by taking samehades chakra
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and his fight with aoba made him stronger as he absorbed almost all of aoba chakra.
Gingka Uzumaki
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You trolling dude.
Jiraiya can just put Kakashi in a toad, and kill him, or put him under Gen, while you can beat Gai basically by blocking him into a corner.
Jiraiya can just put Kakashi in a toad, and kill him, or put him under Gen, while you can beat Gai basically by blocking him into a corner.
Akatsuki wise guy
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excuse me dont give me attitude. i read it for your information and it absolutly changed nothing as i showed counters on this thread. so how about you stop thinking your all that and learn some respect or civility.
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Kakashi has been at Hokage level for a while now, Guy is sick too with his 7 gates technique. Together they are a force to not to be overlooked. I'm sure Kishi got some crazy shit to show us when their fight starts again. And Tsunade WAS crap but now we got her healing herself without seals.
Itachi Namikaze
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I have been trying to tell people this forever!!
I have made multiple threads about it, but they always gets swamped by fanboys.
Kage level is being thrown around like nothing now and people on here say everyone is kage level, which is untrue. Kages are kages for a reason, and the only real people who are kage level are Akatsuki, the kages (obviously), the jinchurikkis, and Kabuto.
I am not counting Edo Madara as Kage level because he is so far above kage level it is insane.
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