Kisame vs EMS Madara (argument included)

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So this guys opinion is, if madara casts amaterasu all over the place it would be absorbed by samehada...

I'm done with this nutcase.
Did I say that?

It's foolish to say Samehada can't absorb Amaterasu because Amaterasu is chakra.

Say, can't madara reverse time? I know he can.
Lol...... Since when?


i guess where going to have to agree to disagree .

At the end of the day the character you want to win will win
When Kisame counters Madara so easily yes he would win not just cause I "want" or think he would, but because his abilities counter Madaras perfectly.
 
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Where does it say that Samehada disrupts the users chakra? Madara has shown a paralysing genjutsu with reg sharingan, can be comparable to what we have seen itachi do. Madara has shown a fire jutsu that took 15+ ninja using a b-rank water jutsu to stop. Samehada showed discontent to the fireball that Bee cut, which is just a c rank fire jutsu. only thing that Kisame could do is fuse with samehada and use his giant ball of water. That would be difficult to defeat but Madara went head to head with a guy that can instantly create a forest many times. If you haven't noticed, Madara is playing with his mokuton abilities with the 5 kage, yes playing with them. he is a cocky, narcissistic monster. that could be his downfall. He still says that the 5 kage don't even compare to Hashirima, who he fought with just ems. So fact of the matter is, if you think Kisame can take on the 5 kage with ease then yea he can beat ems Madara. if not, then Madara wins with medium-hard difficulty
 

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Where does it say that Samehada disrupts the users chakra? Madara has shown a paralysing genjutsu with reg sharingan, can be comparable to what we have seen itachi do. Madara has shown a fire jutsu that took 15+ ninja using a b-rank water jutsu to stop. Samehada showed discontent to the fireball that Bee cut, which is just a c rank fire jutsu. only thing that Kisame could do is fuse with samehada and use his giant ball of water. That would be difficult to defeat but Madara went head to head with a guy that can instantly create a forest many times. If you haven't noticed, Madara is playing with his mokuton abilities with the 5 kage, yes playing with them. he is a cocky, narcissistic monster. that could be his downfall. He still says that the 5 kage don't even compare to Hashirima, who he fought with just ems. So fact of the matter is, if you think Kisame can take on the 5 kage with ease then yea he can beat ems Madara. if not, then Madara wins with medium-hard difficulty
Samehada and Kisame share chakra meaning Kisame gives/takes and same with Samehada

Fire is fire.

This is EMS Madara. He isn't an edo and he doesn't have rinnegan.
 

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What's going on with Kisame lately??

1st he started it by beating Kakashi
then he went on to pawn Sage Jiraya
on the way he took care of Minato
Further he beat Itachi
Yesterday he took on Hashirama and now he is going storng against EMS Madara

and yet he lost to Guy in the Manga...

No Further comments.
 

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What's going on with Kisame lately??

1st he started it by beating Kakashi
then he went on to pawn Sage Jiraya
on the way he took care of Minato
Further he beat Itachi
Yesterday he took on Hashirama and now he is going storng against EMS Madara

and yet he lost to Guy in the Manga...

No Further comments.
Kisame isn't invincible Guy was an extremely bad match up for Kisame.

Kisame can match up to any normal ninja because of his abilities.

Kisame can beat Kakashi, Jiraiya, MAYBE Minato, Maybe Itachi, and stands a great chance against Hashi and Madara
 

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Stop with this ridiculous thread, Madara has amateratsu and tsukoyomi i am not owari to give pics and sht like that, just look at the data book in Susanoo, it says that only the ones with amateratsu and tsukoyomi can unlock Susanoo.

If you dont believe go look by yourself at any source with the data book.
 

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I agree with that...n Madara hasn't shawn any of genjutsu which Kisame is porn to...

If it was Itachi n Kisame.. Itachi would win without loosng any sweat... Coz he is a master in genjutsu..
 

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Kisame isn't invincible Guy was an extremely bad match up for Kisame.

Kisame can match up to any normal ninja because of his abilities.

Kisame can beat Kakashi, Jiraiya, MAYBE Minato, Maybe Itachi, and stands a great chance against Hashi and Madara

Dude are you listening to yourself....well I won't go in Minato or Itachi or Jiraya.

But a few Chapters back we got Hashi's hype and Madara who was ridiculously powerful [still second Hashi] hyped him even further.

Also he showed that Some of Hashirama's WS Jutsus...I mean those jutsus can SOLO the entire war...Plus Hashirama can't die in a battle because he auto heals himself.

EMS Madara was the only ninja that could challenge a Man of his caliber...he also commented that how he was the only one who could see through Hashi's WS Clones and all.

Also do you remember Muu's reaction when he saw Edo-Madara for the 1st time??he was completely stunned...that just shows the rep Madara had back in the days.
 

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Dude are you listening to yourself....well I won't go in Minato or Itachi or Jiraya.

But a few Chapters back we got Hashi's hype and Madara who was ridiculously powerful [still second Hashi] hyped him even further.

Also he showed that Some of Hashirama's WS Jutsus...I mean those jutsus can SOLO the entire war...Plus Hashirama can't die in a battle because he auto heals himself.

EMS Madara was the only ninja that could challenge a Man of his caliber...he also commented that how he was the only one who could see through Hashi's WS Clones and all.

Also do you remember Muu's reaction when he saw Edo-Madara for the 1st time??he was completely stunned...that just shows the rep Madara had back in the days.
Kisame has jutsu that covers the forests Hashirama can make.

The rest of what you said is just hype. HYPE.

It's all about match ups that's why Guy was able to beat Kisame.
 
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kisame has no counters for an EMS genjutsu, he would lose. if he does show me.


and to assume that a uchiha with EMS doesnt have amaterasu, or genjutsu is stupid.

example: shisui had his own genjustu the most powerful genjustu. that could control ppl without noticing, now are u gonna sit there and say madara doest have one?

actually he used it on a no name ninja wen he first rampaged and that was his regular sharingan.

and itachi has the sealing sword thats an automatic loss for almost anyone
 
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A separate thread had a lot of comments on saying Kisame couldn't beat Madara. His chances to beat Edo Madara are very slim as he can't seal.

So vs EMS Madara it's VERY likely he would win.

Madara hasn't shown any attacks that are fast enough for someone to not react to such as Amaterasu.

Susanoo would be countered very easily with a jutsu that absorbs chakra, and chakra jutsu.

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Madara has a really strong Katon jutsu that took multiple ninjas to cancel out.

Kisame has two answers to any Katon jutsu that Madara can throw at him.

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Samehada can cut through the jutsu easily. That was Itachis strongest Katon jutsu. It was split right down the middle.

Susanoo is canceled out with Shark bullet technique.

Katon is canceled out.

Madara has no way to get out of Kisames dome jutsu.

Madara has shown nothing to counter 1000 shark summons.

Kisame wins 8/10 times.

DO NOT FLAME. I presented my argument if you don't agree counter it.
your logic is acceptable
but i don't want to agree cuz madara is so badass epic character
 

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Wow not this again....

ok boys im about to end this mans whole career right here

Meteors is a MS or EMS tech and I can prove it....

How can Kisame counter Meteors......????...He cant

If you look on this Manga page you can see Edo Madara's SUSANOO making hand signs which we have never seen happen before in a susanoo.....well guess what happens on the very next Manga page.....you guessed it....Meteors show up.......



the very next page....



If Susanoo is a MS/EMS tech and you see Susanoo making hand signs what other justu could Madara be making other than a Meteor which is on the next page.....

Madara may be using Rinnegan at the time but you dont see Nagato ever using susanoo do you....exactly

The only explination for this is Madara can use his EMS techs while he has Rinnegan out.....therefore he didnt need Rinnegan to make the Meteors because his Susanoo is an MS/EMS tech

Normally you would think once Madara went into Rinnegan he couldnt use Susanoo anymore and that is clearly not the case.....

and to add to that Lee solos Kisame.....that is all
 

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Wow not this again....

ok boys im about to end this mans whole career right here

Meteors is a MS or EMS tech and I can prove it....

How can Kisame counter Meteors......????...He cant

If you look on this Manga page you can see Edo Madara's SUSANOO making hand signs which we have never seen happen before in a susanoo.....well guess what happens on the very next Manga page.....you guessed it....Meteors show up.......



the very next page....



If Susanoo is a MS/EMS tech and you see Susanoo making hand signs what other justu could Madara be making other than a Meteor which is on the next page.....

Madara may be using Rinnegan at the time but you dont see Nagato ever using susanoo do you....exactly

The only explination for this is Madara can use his EMS techs while he has Rinnegan out.....therefore he didnt need Rinnegan to make the Meteors because his Susanoo is an MS/EMS tech

Normally you would think once Madara went into Rinnegan he couldnt use Susanoo anymore and that is clearly not the case.....

and to add to that Lee solos Kisame.....that is all
Only speculation buddy.

His eye was rinnegan so you don't really know.

:hint:

It's not a career. It's just a vs thread.
 

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Samehada and Kisame share chakra meaning Kisame gives/takes and same with Samehada

Fire is fire.

This is EMS Madara. He isn't an edo and he doesn't have rinnegan.
It was already said that madara unlocked the rinneguan a lil before his death, so he does have it.
Although madara has not used genjustu, with the ems i think we can all agree he as it, although it may not be as powerful as itachi's, kisame has no defence against them.
Both of them are cocky fights so it could be either of there downfalls, but with madara's rinnegan, which he DOES have kisame has little of a chance...
 
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