100+ threads on Sage Mode and none of you get it WOW!

[bigblunts420]

it doesn't say anywhere that those three's jutsu's are KGs, so Kabuto should be able to copy them anyway.

it doesnt say they are KGs in words but im 99% sure they are. how are they normal jutsu's. is life energy a justu!!?!?! lol but jokes aside i think that we could agree they are all KGs. all those abilities are from their heritage how are they not. and about oro's chakra maybe we just dont have any hints that sm was successful due to oro's chakra. altho that has a possibility i would say hinted info has a grater chance then speculation. (hinted info>speculation) chance of happening

 

[EmperorIssun]

How about you assume that I didn't read the thread, since I read every thread I comment on. You don't need Juugo's DNA to absorb Nature Chakra. Where does it even say that Kabuto implanted Juugo's DNA into himself? It was just him researching Juugo's abilities that led him to the Ryuchidou. Doesn't mean he needs to implant his DNA to use it.

Plus I was responding to another person anyway who said something. Not you. If YOU actually read the thread I posted something above agreeing with you and saying how Kabuto is indeed in a Perfect sage mode. I just don't agree on that point I made in the above paragraph. Stop commenting in your thread? That's the stupidest shit I have ever heard. What do you only want people who agree with you and think your amazing to post?

Dude Orochimaru created the Curse Seal from Juugo's DNA. He placed the seals on people to search for a vessel compatible with Juugo's genes. There is a specfic gene carried in Juugo's Clan, which allows them to absorb Natural Chakra. Orochimaru discovers that Juugo's transformation derives from Ryuchido. All this is stated in the most recent chapter.

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The translation contradicts itself, because it says Juugo's Clan has the ability to absorb chakra, and the origin of the ability is from Ryuchidou. However he then states Orochimaru observed, why he went berserk (or why he transformed) and where its source. The source of the transformation is Ryuchidou.

Kabuto then states Orochimaru went to search for body that could acquire the ability. Let me ask you this. If Juugo's ability is not required to learn Sage Mode in Ryuchidou, why did Orochimaru search for a body compatible with Juugo's ability? Why did he create the Curse Seal and to find bodies compatible with Juugo's DNA? Why didn't he just go to Ryuchidou and learn Sage Mode like Naruto did, if Juugo's ability is not required? Obviously he couldn't right? Because Juugo's ability is required. Sorry but your statement is invalid

I don't want you to reply because you give inductive answers and spread false information.You contradict the entire purpose of this thread. You're like a cancer ruining its function. To properly explain things. I don't need you to tell people wrong info on a thread that has the sole purpose of spreading correct information.

 

[Cloak]

So...
If theres Toad Sage mode (Jiraya)
and a Snake Sage Mode (Orochimaru)
So there must be a Slug Sage mode? (Tsunade)

The 3 Lengendary Sanin?

 

[EmperorIssun]

it doesnt say they are KGs in words but im 99% sure they are. how are they normal jutsu's. is life energy a justu!!?!?! lol but jokes aside i think that we could agree they are all KGs. all those abilities are from their heritage how are they not. and about oro's chakra maybe we just dont have any hints that sm was successful due to oro's chakra. altho that has a possibility i would say hinted info has a grater chance then speculation. (hinted info>speculation) chance of happening

Yo don't listen to that guy seriously

Suigetsu's Liquidation Ability is only inherited by Hozuki Clan members.
Karin's Longevity and life force is only inherited by Uzumaki Clan members.
Juugo's Natual Chakra absorption is only inherited by Juugo's Clan members.

All these traits are stated to be exclusive to their respective clans. It might not be Kekkai Genkai because its not a technique, but its a genetic trait that their clan members share. It's like how a majority of asian people have black hair, it's a genetic trait and you can't learn a genetic trait. Seriously dun get lost lol

 

[bigblunts420]

Yo don't listen to that guy seriously

Suigetsu's Liquidation Ability is only inherited by Hozuki Clan members.
Karin's Longevity and life force is only inherited by Uzumaki Clan members.
Juugo's Natual Chakra absorption is only inherited by Juugo's Clan members.

All these traits are stated to be exclusive to their respective clans. It might not be Kekkai Genkai because its not a technique, but its a genetic trait that their clan members share. It's like how a majority of asian people have black hair, it's a genetic trait and you can't learn a genetic trait. Seriously dun get lost lol

yeah i know they are hereditary traits thats what i was saying. he absorb those abilities and juggo's helped him take up the natural energy.. but he learned to control it at that place.

 

[|KirA|]

Ok so I've read a lot of threads on Sage Mode and someone has yet to explain it properly.

Sage Mode is a form achieved through taking in Natural Chakra and being able to balance it within the body, allow with ones own chakra (spirit and body). A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone.

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Once Sage Mode is achieved the user can use the Natural Chakra to perform Senjutsu (Sage Techniques).


MISCONCEPTIONS

Where a lot of you "READERS" are getting confused is with the information mention today.

It was previously known that Juugo is the original source of the Curse Seal and he can transform into this creature. Orochimaru took his DNA and created an enzyme (protein catalyst) that allows bearers to take on the same transformation as Juugo.

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We learn today that the transformation is a result of the bodies ability to take in Natural Chakra. Juugo and members of his clan can take in Natural Chakra, causing them to transform. However once they transform they go berserk.
What Orochimaru tried to discover was why they went berserk and how they acquired this ability. Orochimaru later discovered the source is the Ryuchidou (dragon cave).

What this means is that the transformation and the berserk nature is caused by taking in Natural Chakra, without fully balancing their own Chakra with the Natural Chakra.Their transformation is the same as turning into a frog, like nature did when he could not control the Natural Chakra. The source of their transformation is Ryuchidou, meaning that the members of Juugo's Clan are Dragon Sages, who could not achieve perfect Sage Mode. This would explain their berserk nature and animal characteristics. The reason I believe Juugo's ancestor's were had Perfect Sage Mode,Normally users would absorb Natural Chakra through meditation however, Juugo's Clan's ability allows them to take in Natural Chakra without doing so.

I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because
their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon when they absorb Natural Chakra are Imperfect Sages. However for them to take on the form of a Dragon when they transform, it must mean their ancestors went to learn Sage Mode in Ryuchidou. But yeah that's just an assumption.

Orochimaru attempted to acquire perfect Sage Mode, however he did not have ability to absorb Natural Chakra like Juugo could. Therefore he developed the Curse Seal to allow the bearer to mimic Juugo's causing the bearer to mimic Juugo's transformation. Since Kabuto said the Curse Seal was fake, I would assume that means the Curse Seal allows the transformation to occur, however it is a result of Orochimaru's Chakra, not Natural Chakra. I came up with this conclusion because the Curse Seal is merely an Enzyme (speeding up the transformation) ,made from Juugo's DNA and it contains Orochimaru's Chakra (Kabuto stated that, when he Kidnapped Anko) meant to mimic Juugo's transformation.

The Curse Seal was Orochimaru's way of searching for a body compatible with Juugo's ability to transform, so he could implant them with Juugo's ability and take over the body, which would allow him to absorb Natural Chakra so he could acquire Sage Mode later in Ryuchidou. Kabuto basically took on Orochimaru's plans and did everything Orochimaru couldn't do. Pretty impressive, but Orochimaru's research skills and experimental hypothesis are pretty amazing. Props to hims, screw Kabuto for mooching off him lawl

Just like Naruto, Kabuto acquires features from a dragon, which I would assume are the horns, since he implanted Orochimaru's cells in him, resulting in the same eyes and Orochimaru wasn't able to acquire Sage Mode.

Hope you losers have a better understanding, and be sure to actually read properly before you put up stupid threads

the thing with kabuto pretty much what I said here:

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I only disagree partly with the thing about the perfect juugo sages. I believe more that they lived for a long time in the surroundings or in the dragon cave and got this ability to "sponge natural chakra". pretty much the same as the fox-brothers did in the belly of the nine tails.

 

[teutonicknite]

Orochimaru failed to achieve perfect sage mode due to his inability to balance off the nature's chakra much like Jiraiya! I agree that Kabuto is being rude having only built upon years of discoveries from Orochimaru! That said... nyc explanation but a bit of mystery about Juugo! +rep

 

[OWanime]

nice thread I like the evidence xd

 

[Virus..]

plus rep

 

[Makeril]

Just wanted to say an enzyme isn't always a protein. Just want to be an ass.

 

[CDT23]

couldnt have said it better myself... thanks for posting, im too lazy to type that much, and its pointless of fools dont understand lol.

 

[Kwalker394]

Nice +rep

 

[kuramamode]

dude just went ham ^^^^!

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

So are you saying my thread on Sage Mode didnt get it?

Ok so I've read a lot of threads on Sage Mode and someone has yet to explain it properly.

Sage Mode is a form achieved through taking in Natural Chakra and being able to balance it within the body, allow with ones own chakra (spirit and body). A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone.

You must be registered for see links

Once Sage Mode is achieved the user can use the Natural Chakra to perform Senjutsu (Sage Techniques).


MISCONCEPTIONS

Where a lot of you "READERS" are getting confused is with the information mention today.

It was previously known that Juugo is the original source of the Curse Seal and he can transform into this creature. Orochimaru took his DNA and created an enzyme (protein catalyst) that allows bearers to take on the same transformation as Juugo.

You must be registered for see links

We learn today that the transformation is a result of the bodies ability to take in Natural Chakra. Juugo and members of his clan can take in Natural Chakra, causing them to transform. However once they transform they go berserk.
What Orochimaru tried to discover was why they went berserk and how they acquired this ability. Orochimaru later discovered the source is the Ryuchidou (dragon cave).

What this means is that the transformation and the berserk nature is caused by taking in Natural Chakra, without fully balancing their own Chakra with the Natural Chakra.Their transformation is the same as turning into a frog, like nature did when he could not control the Natural Chakra. The source of their transformation is Ryuchidou, meaning that the members of Juugo's Clan are Dragon Sages, who could not achieve perfect Sage Mode. This would explain their berserk nature and animal characteristics. The reason I believe Juugo's ancestor's were had Perfect Sage Mode, Normally users would absorb Natural Chakra through meditation however, Juugo's Clan's ability allows them to take in Natural Chakra without doing so.

I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because
their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon when they absorb Natural Chakra are Imperfect Sages. However for them to take on the form of a Dragon when they transform, it must mean their ancestors went to learn Sage Mode in Ryuchidou. But yeah that's just an assumption.

Orochimaru attempted to acquire perfect Sage Mode, however he did not have ability to absorb Natural Chakra like Juugo could. Therefore he developed the Curse Seal to allow the bearer to mimic Juugo's causing the bearer to mimic Juugo's transformation. Since Kabuto said the Curse Seal was fake, I would assume that means the Curse Seal allows the transformation to occur, however it is a result of Orochimaru's Chakra, not Natural Chakra. I came up with this conclusion because the Curse Seal is merely an Enzyme (speeding up the transformation) ,made from Juugo's DNA and it contains Orochimaru's Chakra (Kabuto stated that, when he Kidnapped Anko) meant to mimic Juugo's transformation.

The Curse Seal was Orochimaru's way of searching for a body compatible with Juugo's ability to transform, so he could implant them with Juugo's ability and take over the body, which would allow him to absorb Natural Chakra so he could acquire Sage Mode later in Ryuchidou. Kabuto basically took on Orochimaru's plans and did everything Orochimaru couldn't do. Pretty impressive, but Orochimaru's research skills and experimental hypothesis are pretty amazing. Props to hims, screw Kabuto for mooching off him lawl

Just like Naruto, Kabuto acquires features from a dragon, which I would assume are the horns, since he implanted Orochimaru's cells in him, resulting in the same eyes and Orochimaru wasn't able to acquire Sage Mode.

Hope you losers have a better understanding, and be sure to actually read properly before you put up stupid threads

I take offense to this, kind sir.



I'm not going to be an @$$ hole and link you to my forum. I'll just talk sh!t about your post since you talked sh!t about everyone else who posted about sage mode, like me. So i'll take this time to ask you about something you wrote in your "perfect post".

If anyone wants to read/reference my original post, it was yesterday named: "New 3 Legendary Sanin (Perfect Sage Mode)"

YOU STATED:

"A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone."

THEN STATED:

"I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon when they absorb Natural Chakra are Imperfect Sages.."

SO I ASK:

Why are you assuming that his clan were "Perfect Sages"??? You definetally have NOT given any support evidence of how this happened. Its one thing to say they were Sages, I agree. Like you said, their bodies could naturally pick up nature chakra. But why would they have all been perfect sages in the past? Perfect Sage is something INCREDIBLY HARD to achieve. Of all these things NARUTO is the only person we have ever seen be a perfect Sage.

I'm saying all this because you never defined how their clan perfectly molded their chakra in the past to become perfect sages. I'd actually assume the opposite. There is a REASON we dont see any of Jugo's Clan around... they probably all killed eachother or got slaughtered like Kimmimaru's Clan did from their rampages. I see not one piece of evidence to suggest that they EVER mastered PERFECT Sage Mode. I'm sure their whole clan looked like imperfect dragons and got mad all the damn time tearing ISH up lol.

Which brings me to my next point... about everyone claiming Kabuto is a perfect sage. In my last post (yes, one of the 1000) I stated that Kabuto is NOT a perfect sage. He does NOT say that he is a perfect sage. He also has imperfections of a dragon. Not as many/much as someone like Jugo gets, but he has horns visibly sticking out the back of his head when he goes "Sage Mode". I think this is an imperfection of going sage mode without perfectly balancing all the chakra. Just a thought.




-gHost Senju

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

So...
If theres Toad Sage mode (Jiraya)
and a Snake Sage Mode (Orochimaru)
So there must be a Slug Sage mode? (Tsunade)

The 3 Lengendary Sanin?

Read my post dude: New 3 Legendary Sanin (Perfect Sage Mode)

I totally agree!!!



-gHost Senju

 

[mizirod]

buddah was totally in sage mode before annnyyy of these guys =p

 

[The Work]

Kabuto is in his Snake Sage Mode.....that's not the same as Naruto's

Naruto is a Toad....Kabuto is a Dragon

 

[Sasuno Tsawaki]

After reading this i got SMARTER! +rep

 

[boshans]

Re: So are you saying my thread on Sage Mode didnt get it?

Dude Orochimaru created the Curse Seal from Juugo's DNA. He placed the seals on people to search for a vessel compatible with Juugo's genes. There is a specfic gene carried in Juugo's Clan, which allows them to absorb Natural Chakra. Orochimaru discovers that Juugo's transformation derives from Ryuchido. All this is stated in the most recent chapter.

You must be registered for see links

The translation contradicts itself, because it says Juugo's Clan has the ability to absorb chakra, and the origin of the ability is from Ryuchidou. However he then states Orochimaru observed, why he went berserk (or why he transformed) and where its source. The source of the transformation is Ryuchidou.

I don't want you to reply because you give inductive answers and spread false information.You contradict the entire purpose of this thread. You're like a cancer ruining its function. To properly explain things. I don't need you to tell people wrong info on a thread that has the sole purpose of spreading correct information.

It doesn't say that the curse seal is made from Juugo's DNA, please show me a page with that. Yes Orochimaru obviously researched Juugo's body to get information to MAKE the curse seal, but it doesn't say it is made from his actual DNA. Actually it DOES say that the curse seal is made from Orochimaru's CHAKRA. And that is a FACT. The most recent chapter is obviously not translated 100% perfect into English, so I am waiting to get a better translation before we can understand exactly wtf Kabuto is talking about.

"Orochimaru attempted to acquire perfect Sage Mode, however he did not have ability to absorb Natural Chakra like Juugo could. Therefore he developed the Curse Seal to allow the bearer to mimic Juugo's causing the bearer to mimic Juugo's transformation. Since Kabuto said the Curse Seal was fake, I would assume that means the Curse Seal allows the transformation to occur, however it is a result of Orochimaru's Chakra, not Natural Chakra."

Well, I don't see how Orochimaru couldn't absorb Nature Chakra without Juugo's DNA. Naruto can do it, he doesn't have Juugo's DNA, and before you go and say it is because he is an Uzumaki or some shit, Jiraiya obviously did it also, and he doesn't have either DNA. I would think the Curse Seal simply lets the user's body absorb Nature Chakra without the user actually knowing that is what is happening, and that Orochimaru simply designed it in such a way that it is controlled and wouldn't turn the user into a stone statue. The reason why most people die when receiving it is simply because only the people with enough Chakra to counteract and balance the Nature Chakra being absorbed will survive.

Kabuto didn't say that the curse seal was a fake, he said is was a "pretentious trick". Which further backs up my statement that the seal allows the users body to absorb Nature Chakra while active without the user actually knowing what it going on. It is a "trick" because if you don't know how to actually absorb Nature Chakra and control it, it is not nearly the same thing as actually knowing how to use Sage Mode.

"Kabuto then states Orochimaru went to search for body that could acquire the ability. Let me ask you this. If Juugo's ability is not required to learn Sage Mode in Ryuchidou, why did Orochimaru search for a body compatible with Juugo's ability? Why did he create the Curse Seal and to find bodies compatible with Juugo's DNA? Why didn't he just go to Ryuchidou and learn Sage Mode like Naruto did, if Juugo's ability is not required? Obviously he couldn't right? Because Juugo's ability is required. Sorry but your statement is invalid "

"The Curse Seal was Orochimaru's way of searching for a body compatible with Juugo's ability to transform, so he could implant them with Juugo's ability and take over the body, which would allow him to absorb Natural Chakra so he could acquire Sage Mode later in Ryuchidou."

I would assume Orochimaru couldn't use Sage Mode anymore was because of what happened during his fight with the 3rd Hokage, not because he didn't have Juugo's DNA in himself. Again, why would he need Juugo's DNA? Even if it is a "Dragon" Sage Mode, it still is Sage Mode, and you don't need some special DNA to be able to absorb Nature Chakra, you just need to learn how to feel it, and have high enough Chakra to balance out the Nature Chakra. Orochimaru definitely had high enough Chakra at one time to do this, but maybe not in his current state because of the 3rd. Not every body can handle Sage Mode, that is why he was looking for a good host to take over. Even if Orochimaru had enough Chakra of his own to balance out the Nature Chakra, he wasn't in his original body anymore. So he was simply using the curse seal to make that users body absorb Nature Chakra to see if they were able to use it, which would mean he would be able to also. It has nothing to do with HAVING to ABSOLUTELY have Juugo's DNA to use Sage Mode. He just used Juugo's ability through the curse seal to find out who is capable of using it, it is obviously a lot easier and faster to find out who can use it doing it that way instead of teaching every single person Sage Mode and see if they can do it or not.

Another reason obviously is because Orochimaru wanted a body that was perfect, that he could use to be an ultimate being, and this was just one jutsu that he needed to accomplish that. Also, it was never said that Orochimaru actually even FOUND the Dragon Cave. So that is ANOTHER reason why he wasn't even able to use Sage Mode. Kabuto was obviously with Orochimaru all of the time, and would know of EVERYTHING that he did and where he went to. So why would Kabuto say "I FINALLY FOUND IT, THE LEGENDARY PLACE EQUALLY AS FAMOUS AS MYOUBUKUZAN...etc, etc". That would seem to me that if Kabuto finally found it just recently, that Orochimaru obviously was never there. Sure Orochimaru knew that the place is where Juugo's Sage Mode originated from, but he could never get there.

Again, YOUR theory is not based on FACTS either. You are just assuming stuff. Just like how you are assuming that Juugo, Karin, and Suigetsu all have KG's. You do know that a KG is the ability to combine two Elemental Chakras together correct? What they are doing is definitely NOT combining Chakras. Yes their abilities are unique, but that doesn't mean you NEED their DNA to use them. Shikamaru's Kage jutsu is unique, do you need his DNA to use it? No. It just seems that all these abilities that the 3 have are just jutsu passed down in their clans, that is a closely guarded secret on how to use, but obviously if you knew how to use it you can. He did lots of research on all of these people, he knows how their abilities work. But it doesn't mean it is a genetic trait. It could just be a Kinjutsu for their clans. It hasn't been specifically stated yet. We are BOTH making assumptions. I don't see why Karin's healing thing HAS to be a genetic trait, it doesn't seem like something someone couldn't learn if they knew how to do it. Same with Suigetsu's, sure his body turns into water, but it could just be a kinjutsu from the Houzoki(however you spell it) clan. Kakuzu had an ability that turned his body into a very hard material(can't remember what it was exactly), that was an Earth jutsu obviously. Maybe it is the same type of thing for Suigetsu, but it would obviously be a Water based jutsu instead.

The only weird one is Juugo's ability, that could go either way. I still don't see why it matters though, if you know how to absorb Nature Chakra you can absorb it. You don't need the DNA from Juugo's clan to do it. If it indeed constantly absorbs it, then that would be the only benefit. Well maybe not even a benefit, as other people have said, sure you can probably stay in Sage Mode for a little longer, but you are still using your own Chakra, which would make the balancing act of the 3 Chakras unstable, and make you lose Sage Mode. Do we even know if Juugo CONSTANTLY absorbs Nature Chakra anyway? Yes he obviously absorbs it when he goes berserk, but does he CONSTANTLY absorb it even when he is normal? I don't know, I would think he would show some signs if he was. Maybe it is just easier for him to absorb, not that he just always absorbs it. That and he is absorbing it without him knowing what it is, which is the reason for the Curse Seal.

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I take offense to this, kind sir.

I'm not going to be an @$$ hole and link you to my forum. I'll just talk sh!t about your post since you talked sh!t about everyone else who posted about sage mode, like me. So i'll take this time to ask you about something you wrote in your "perfect post".

If anyone wants to read/reference my original post, it was yesterday named: "New 3 Legendary Sanin (Perfect Sage Mode)"

YOU STATED:

"A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone."

THEN STATED:

"I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon when they absorb Natural Chakra are Imperfect Sages.."

SO I ASK:

Why are you assuming that his clan were "Perfect Sages"??? You definetally have NOT given any support evidence of how this happened. Its one thing to say they were Sages, I agree. Like you said, their bodies could naturally pick up nature chakra. But why would they have all been perfect sages in the past? Perfect Sage is something INCREDIBLY HARD to achieve. Of all these things NARUTO is the only person we have ever seen be a perfect Sage.

I'm saying all this because you never defined how their clan perfectly molded their chakra in the past to become perfect sages. I'd actually assume the opposite. There is a REASON we dont see any of Jugo's Clan around... they probably all killed eachother or got slaughtered like Kimmimaru's Clan did from their rampages. I see not one piece of evidence to suggest that they EVER mastered PERFECT Sage Mode. I'm sure their whole clan looked like imperfect dragons and got mad all the damn time tearing ISH up lol.

Which brings me to my next point... about everyone claiming Kabuto is a perfect sage. In my last post (yes, one of the 1000) I stated that Kabuto is NOT a perfect sage. He does NOT say that he is a perfect sage. He also has imperfections of a dragon. Not as many/much as someone like Jugo gets, but he has horns visibly sticking out the back of his head when he goes "Sage Mode". I think this is an imperfection of going sage mode without perfectly balancing all the chakra. Just a thought.

-gHost Senju

At least someone knows what they are talking about. +rep to you sir.

 

[NowNoon]

Re: So are you saying my thread on Sage Mode didnt get it?

It doesn't say that the curse seal is made from Juugo's DNA, please show me a page with that. Yes Orochimaru obviously researched Juugo's body to get information to MAKE the curse seal, but it doesn't say it is made from his actual DNA. Actually it DOES say that the curse seal is made from Orochimaru's CHAKRA. And that is a FACT. The most recent chapter is obviously not translated 100% perfect into English, so I am waiting to get a better translation before we can understand exactly wtf Kabuto is talking about.



Well, I don't see how Orochimaru couldn't absorb Nature Chakra without Juugo's DNA. Naruto can do it, he doesn't have Juugo's DNA, and before you go and say it is because he is an Uzumaki or some shit, Jiraiya obviously did it also, and he doesn't have either DNA. I would think the Curse Seal simply lets the user's body absorb Nature Chakra without the user actually knowing that is what is happening, and that Orochimaru simply designed it in such a way that it is controlled and wouldn't turn the user into a stone statue. The reason why most people die when receiving it is simply because only the people with enough Chakra to counteract and balance the Nature Chakra being absorbed will survive.

Kabuto didn't say that the curse seal was a fake, he said is was a "pretentious trick". Which further backs up my statement that the seal allows the users body to absorb Nature Chakra while active without the user actually knowing what it going on. It is a "trick" because if you don't know how to actually absorb Nature Chakra and control it, it is not nearly the same thing as actually knowing how to use Sage Mode.



I would assume Orochimaru couldn't use Sage Mode anymore was because of what happened during his fight with the 3rd Hokage, not because he didn't have Juugo's DNA in himself. Again, why would he need Juugo's DNA? Even if it is a "Dragon" Sage Mode, it still is Sage Mode, and you don't need some special DNA to be able to absorb Nature Chakra, you just need to learn how to feel it, and have high enough Chakra to balance out the Nature Chakra. Orochimaru definitely had high enough Chakra at one time to do this, but maybe not in his current state because of the 3rd. Not every body can handle Sage Mode, that is why he was looking for a good host to take over. Even if Orochimaru had enough Chakra of his own to balance out the Nature Chakra, he wasn't in his original body anymore. So he was simply using the curse seal to make that users body absorb Nature Chakra to see if they were able to use it, which would mean he would be able to also. It has nothing to do with HAVING to ABSOLUTELY have Juugo's DNA to use Sage Mode. He just used Juugo's ability through the curse seal to find out who is capable of using it, it is obviously a lot easier and faster to find out who can use it doing it that way instead of teaching every single person Sage Mode and see if they can do it or not.

Another reason obviously is because Orochimaru wanted a body that was perfect, that he could use to be an ultimate being, and this was just one jutsu that he needed to accomplish that. Also, it was never said that Orochimaru actually even FOUND the Dragon Cave. So that is ANOTHER reason why he wasn't even able to use Sage Mode. Kabuto was obviously with Orochimaru all of the time, and would know of EVERYTHING that he did and where he went to. So why would Kabuto say "I FINALLY FOUND IT, THE LEGENDARY PLACE EQUALLY AS FAMOUS AS MYOUBUKUZAN...etc, etc". That would seem to me that if Kabuto finally found it just recently, that Orochimaru obviously was never there. Sure Orochimaru knew that the place is where Juugo's Sage Mode originated from, but he could never get there.

Again, YOUR theory is not based on FACTS either. You are just assuming stuff. Just like how you are assuming that Juugo, Karin, and Suigetsu all have KG's. You do know that a KG is the ability to combine two Elemental Chakras together correct? What they are doing is definitely NOT combining Chakras. Yes their abilities are unique, but that doesn't mean you NEED their DNA to use them. Shikamaru's Kage jutsu is unique, do you need his DNA to use it? No. It just seems that all these abilities that the 3 have are just jutsu passed down in their clans, that is a closely guarded secret on how to use, but obviously if you knew how to use it you can. He did lots of research on all of these people, he knows how their abilities work. But it doesn't mean it is a genetic trait. It could just be a Kinjutsu for their clans. It hasn't been specifically stated yet. We are BOTH making assumptions. I don't see why Karin's healing thing HAS to be a genetic trait, it doesn't seem like something someone couldn't learn if they knew how to do it. Same with Suigetsu's, sure his body turns into water, but it could just be a kinjutsu from the Houzoki(however you spell it) clan. Kakuzu had an ability that turned his body into a very hard material(can't remember what it was exactly), that was an Earth jutsu obviously. Maybe it is the same type of thing for Suigetsu, but it would obviously be a Water based jutsu instead.

The only weird one is Juugo's ability, that could go either way. I still don't see why it matters though, if you know how to absorb Nature Chakra you can absorb it. You don't need the DNA from Juugo's clan to do it. If it indeed constantly absorbs it, then that would be the only benefit. Well maybe not even a benefit, as other people have said, sure you can probably stay in Sage Mode for a little longer, but you are still using your own Chakra, which would make the balancing act of the 3 Chakras unstable, and make you lose Sage Mode. Do we even know if Juugo CONSTANTLY absorbs Nature Chakra anyway? Yes he obviously absorbs it when he goes berserk, but does he CONSTANTLY absorb it even when he is normal? I don't know, I would think he would show some signs if he was. Maybe it is just easier for him to absorb, not that he just always absorbs it. That and he is absorbing it without him knowing what it is, which is the reason for the Curse Seal.





At least someone knows what they are talking about. +rep to you sir.

this makes more sense.