Can Madara ressurrect himself now?
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snake orochimaru
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I don't think he can...it's like trying to call yourself from your phone...it's always busy 
hearteaterx
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major plothole... I didn't think of this until now since I was too preoccupied with how exciting the manga has been getting. Madara should restore his own life, by any means. In fact, Nagato and Madara both should have instantly gone into a frenzy of resurrecting the dead as soon as they were aware they couldn't die. During Nagato's life it's implied that he was reserving his special life granting jutsu for a specific occasion- Tobi had been planning on dieing and being resurrected by Nagato maybe? The moral is, he knew he had to save the jutsu for a special occasion because he would die from overexertion. Why didn't Nagato start resurrecting all of his fallen comrades while he still had his free will? The manga has just lost so much credibility for me, thanks for that DemonToad -.-
no i dont think it works like that its simply been to long to bring him back from the dead he has been dead for at least 16 to 20 years thats assuming he died b4 naruto was born which i think is a fair assumption and tbh i think he prolly died long b4 that u can jus die 20 to 50 years ago and jus be brought back nagato said there was a time limit or he would have brought back jman as well as the village now granted madara is more powerful then nagatowhen jman died it was within at most a month or 2 prior id say shorter but lets say that long madara has been dead for more then 20 years so no he cannot bring himself back to life
In regard to this, and the original post, I don't think you guys understand the complexity Kishi has instilled in his manga. First off, Nagato did not regain his consciousness in this war until Itachi was in the process of sealing him. So even if he could use Rinne tensei effectively at that point, he would not have been able to because of his condition. More importantly, when it comes to Edo-Madara, it has been implied that another person was needed to revive him (ie Nagato) and that he most likely cannot do it in his current position.
Again, I think Kishi has implemented several layers of complexity here, but the bottom line is that to revive someone with Rinne Tensei the soul needs to be in the pure world and therefore, someone else must conduct the actual revival in order to bring that person back. Edo Tensei is obviously a rule breaker because for using the technique on one's self too because the soul is not within the pure world, but rather chained to the impure world. I also think you guys are overestimating both Madara and Nagato's potentials as edos.
Edo Tensei may indeed grant the user access to 'limitless' chakra reserves, but that person is still limited to their overall maximum when it comes to a single exertion. What I mean is that an edo cannot die from over extending themselves, but still have that maximum imparted on them. In reality, I don't think Nagato was strong enough (when he died) to revive Madara. Hence, why Tobi did not have him revive Madara at that time. So if Nagato could not do it at his prime, I don't think he could have done it as an edo either. Hope what I was getting at made sense here.
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hearteaterx
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You are personally assuming that Tobi wanted to resurrect Madara Uchiha. He said that Nagato's jutsu was supposed to be for him- I think this was his failsafe in case he was killed. Now that he has been forced to recollect the rinnegan, he has to cautious not to let himself be harmed, even resorting to izanagi during his fight to obtain the rinnegan. He probably still has a sharingan just so he can use izanagi if he is gonna die, which could be a cheap way to disarm his S/T jutsu...
I definitely agree with your point about rinne rebirth only affecting souls in the Impure world, and reanimation affecting souls in the Pure world. So you said that backwards. The Pure world is where dead souls reside eternally, thats why reanimation jutsu is Impure World Ressurection- rending the souls from the Pure world and forcing them to fight in the Impure world. I don't mean to argue semantics, it's just information that shouldn't be misinterpreted. This explains rinne rebirths time limit, only being able to resurrect souls before they enter the Pure world.
Your point about them being unable to exert substantially larger chakra per any single jutsu than they could have in life is pretty good. I'll grant that much. But since reanimation has done the first step, bringing the souls back to the Impure world, by the logic we've used this could be a 2 step process to resurrect long dead shinobi. Reanimation, followed by rinne rebirth on the edo tensei soul since it's easy to access witht he rinnegan. These layers of complexity you referred to only support the argument that this is a plothole.
See there is something I don't understand about this. Kabuto explained that he could kill Naruto and Bee with the Human path and hold their bodies and soul with the Nakara path and revive them later. So this would mean for Madara to be revived he has to have his natural body and his soul. I guess a skeleton will count if his flesh can be regenerated through the revival stage. I think the reason why Nagato couldn't revive his fallen comrades is because he didn't have the chakara to do so. If he did use that chakara he would die from being exhausted.
The only real way he could revive people without dying is if he used the Human Path to pull their souls out of them and put both their souls and their bodies inside the Nakara Path and thus reviving them that way. Nagato couldn't revive his comrades for the simple fact he didn't have possession over their souls(because their souls passed on). Even if he have their bodies he cannot revive them unless he uses Renne Tensei which would kill him. But of course Nagato had a pact with Tobi at the time.
So Madara can ONLY revive people if he has possession over their souls and bodies through Human and Nakara path. At the same time Renne Tensei could be spammed through Edo since he has unlimited chakara. I just don't think he can bring his self alive with it. He would have to have his original corpse and his soul to come back to life from what I understand.
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The only real way he could revive people without dying is if he used the Human Path to pull their souls out of them and put both their souls and their bodies inside the Nakara Path and thus reviving them that way. Nagato couldn't revive his comrades for the simple fact he didn't have possession over their souls(because their souls passed on). Even if he have their bodies he cannot revive them unless he uses Renne Tensei which would kill him. But of course Nagato had a pact with Tobi at the time.
So Madara can ONLY revive people if he has possession over their souls and bodies through Human and Nakara path. At the same time Renne Tensei could be spammed through Edo since he has unlimited chakara. I just don't think he can bring his self alive with it. He would have to have his original corpse and his soul to come back to life from what I understand.
