[Discussion] How Does Madara Know All of Hashirama's Techs?

[sageadvice]

Sure, maybe he Sharinganned all the techs during the legendary fights with Hashirama thinking they might be handy if he one day got mokuton, but Hashirama did a lot of his techs without hand signs.

Is this careful use of Sharingan, plot no jutsu, something I am missing, or do you think that Edo Madara was made to be a little more Hashirama than we were told? They aren't no-brainer techs, since Yamato can't do the ones that Madara is spamming.

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

The only thing we know Hashi did without hand seals was heal himself. The manga never said he did Mokuton without hand seals.

 

[Masakari]

I'd assume the sparrings and the general fighting him and Hashi has done in the past would ultimately have led to Madara snatching some up, but needless to say I'd expect it to require a large time of training in order to use them the way that he is. But meh, makes the plot look better.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Well you've got to admit the guy's pretty f**king awesome to pull that all off. He's not using hand seals for everything either.

Also Yamato doesn't have the chakra to pull off a lot of these jutsu.

And Madara used his Susanoo along with that wood clone jutsu last chapter. Haven't seen an explanation for that yet.

 

[uffe0365]

something like that with the sharingan.

 

[Dihajum3]

And Madara used his Susanoo along with that wood clone jutsu last chapter. Haven't seen an explanation for that yet.

Y does it need an explanation ? It's not like the case of rinnegan that he has to shut down his sharingan for it.

 

[sageadvice]

So, we're going with plot no jutsu, for the Sharingan/Mokuton combos and the level of proficiency, but otherwise conceding that he snatched a few with Sharingan? I don't know about the latter, there, as Madara really isn't using many hand seals at all.

 

[uffe0365]

ofc plot no-jutsu hes prob gonna know many more things

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Y does it need an explanation ? It's not like the case of rinnegan that he has to shut down his sharingan for it.

I didn't understand your statement.

Anyhow - in the chapter I first thought Tsunade was stabbed by a branch as Madara rose out of the ground there, but then realised it was actually Susanoo's sword. This made me think of 3 possible senarios that could have occured there: 1) Madara actually did use a branch, but switched it out for Susanoo, 2) Madara "mixed" the Susanoo with wood release somehow so that the Susanoo itself could come out of the ground like that, or 3) the materialized Madara just used Susanoo while still underground.

The third one seems the best option - though it does seem like Susanoo didn't break through the ground, but rather came out of it the same way that a wood clone would.

Idk - perhaps i'm grasping at straws here but it just seemed odd.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

we're going with plot no jutsu

In my opinion, we are definitely doing this.

 

[Whiteknight]

Sure, maybe he Sharinganned all the techs during the legendary fights with Hashirama thinking they might be handy if he one day got mokuton, but Hashirama did a lot of his techs without hand signs.

Is this careful use of Sharingan, plot no jutsu, something I am missing, or do you think that Edo Madara was made to be a little more Hashirama than we were told? They aren't no-brainer techs, since Yamato can't do the ones that Madara is spamming.

We know from earlier in the manga that Sasuke was able to see chakra color and (to a lesser extent than the byakugan) see chakra movement. Assuming Madara was able to see the same things and assuming he has decent chakra control, he would probably be able to duplicate them.

Also, we know that Madara had Hashirama's power after the valley of the end, but lived long enough to know about Nagato. I don't have the timeline in front of me, but that could have been two decades or more between when Madara got wood release abilities and the earliest moment when he could have died. There's no reason to suspect he didn't practice with his new powers during that time. The only thing we know is that Kabuto enhanced his powers, not that he gave Madara something he didn't have before.

The only difference now is that Madara has more access to Hashirama's powers and more chakra to use. The abilities he is using are things he's had and been practicing for a long time.

 

[sageadvice]

so, it all comes down to the timeline between when he first became the second sage of six paths and when he met the third sage of six paths, using Tobi's characterizations of Rinnegan users.

 

[MeowmeownametakenQQ]

Sure, maybe he Sharinganned all the techs during the legendary fights with Hashirama thinking they might be handy if he one day got mokuton, but Hashirama did a lot of his techs without hand signs.

Is this careful use of Sharingan, plot no jutsu, something I am missing, or do you think that Edo Madara was made to be a little more Hashirama than we were told? They aren't no-brainer techs, since Yamato can't do the ones that Madara is spamming.

answered your own question i think.

From experience of fighting hashirama and studying him with his sharingan.

 

[sageadvice]

possibly, aside from the lack of hand signs and level of proficiency. Current thoughts on that seem to be that he may have had plenty of time to practice after that last fight with Hashirama and before meeting Nagato.

 

[Aze]

He has the Sharingan...he can copy all of the hand seals.

He most likely did so during their battles , they where sayed to fight many times , not just once , but most of the time it was stalemate most likely.

 

[-The Agent-]

He has the Rinnegan,and Hashiramas DNA. Which is probably why he's able to use it so easily. Since wood is considered a Kekkei Genkai I don't think madara wasted time on trying to copy the technique at the time. But since he has all the resources he needs, he can do them easily.

 

[Ryuu..]

I'd assume the sparrings and the general fighting him and Hashi has done in the past would ultimately have led to Madara snatching some up, but needless to say I'd expect it to require a large time of training in order to use them the way that he is. But meh, makes the plot look better.

This is most likely true.

 

[D3A]

He has seen those techs with the sharingan but before, he couldnt use them, but now, since he has Hashi's face on his chest, and he's able to use wood style, he can use those moves