How did the 1st beat Madara???
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kellzfresh
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I already explained the techniques of hashirama we know of earlier on this page......
i dont know why they wont jst understand that hashirama is stronger U_U
No you shut up just accept the damn fact madara ****ing lost because at the end of the fight hashi was the strongest one! even if they say they were equal, hashi won in the end that make him the strongest and madara longer match!
acdcrockgods
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the 1st isn't as weak as you think, he's a pretty strong guy to control tailed beast without being from uchiha even though senji and uchiha are one of the same b/c they come from the same guy? but the first was awesome even madara said that he wanted to bring him back after seeing his weak opponents lolz but in short even madara liked him a little and he only like's strong people
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Ok lets look at the fight, from what we seen yes Madara was killer fire style user, we dont know for a fact if he can use Amaterasu, and yes he had the 9 tails on his side, and supposedly was the strongest of the Uchiha. Now we look at Hashi, Wood style, Earth style and Water style, with a massive amount of Chakra. Hashi brother was stated to be the best water style user ever, so we can assume just alil Hashi trained his water style with his brother, so we can take this into consideration. Now we look at his wood style, the ability to reduce and make a tailed beast useless, so this make the 9 tail useless for Madara, and for fun sakes lets say Kishi took in real life aspect of wood to Hashi wood style, anyone has ever tried to burn what you would call a "green" tree knows for a fact cause of the high water reserves in it knows it doesnt burn very well at all, no matter how hot the fire or how big it is, so maybe he did thus making Madara fire style alil weaken pre say, and maybe even with the wood getting burn hashi has the ability to regenerate the wood it self since wood it self is consider a living body maybe was even able to heal the wood with his mentioned amazing healing abilities. This is just my guess of why Madara got his butt handed to him, dont flame me to hard folks.
madara lost because... get ready for it...
Madara is weaker than the First. Even with the Nine-Tails at his side he lost. Of course, he could have lost on purpose like Tobi said (which he could have been lying about, Tobi is a liar), but until we find out what really happened we will go with Madara is weaker than the First.
We also don't know if Madara has amateratsu or not...
Madara is weaker than the First. Even with the Nine-Tails at his side he lost. Of course, he could have lost on purpose like Tobi said (which he could have been lying about, Tobi is a liar), but until we find out what really happened we will go with Madara is weaker than the First.
We also don't know if Madara has amateratsu or not...
I will throw my two cents in this discussion. Now at the end of the day none of truly know how this fight actually went down (except for kishi of course) and i'm very eager to find out how hashirama pulled off such a feat BUT considering what we have already been told about hashirama and his abilities i think its very conceivable that he beat Madara and gained control of the 9tails albeit with very high difficulty...
1. Hashirama was a pure senju, thus a chakra and vitality beast which makes me believe that he trumped Madara in these categories and in a battle of attrition with his insta healing hashirama would be the last man standing.
2. His ability to suppress and tame tailed beast makes me believe he must have wrestled away control of the 9tails from Madara and them used the 9tails against him. I mean the 4th took away control of the 9tails from tobi in their fight rather easily even while he was being controlled with the sharingan. Its very concievable that something similar happened in their fight.
3. To address the fire versus wood debate. I wonder how many people on this thread have actually tried to make a fire using regular wood and not with a 'starter' log? That shit is NOT easy even with dry wood, who says that hashirama didn't use damp wood to counter madara's fire techniques? Also wood being acombination elemental jutsu is inherently stronger than a single element like fire much like when yamato and naruto combined to use the water/wind rasenshriken to stop kakuzu's fire...
Now, i'm sure the battle was epic but i don't see how Hashirama was at an insurmountable disadvantage considering the matchup against madara was more to his favor. Probably just a bad matchup for madara...
1. Hashirama was a pure senju, thus a chakra and vitality beast which makes me believe that he trumped Madara in these categories and in a battle of attrition with his insta healing hashirama would be the last man standing.
2. His ability to suppress and tame tailed beast makes me believe he must have wrestled away control of the 9tails from Madara and them used the 9tails against him. I mean the 4th took away control of the 9tails from tobi in their fight rather easily even while he was being controlled with the sharingan. Its very concievable that something similar happened in their fight.
3. To address the fire versus wood debate. I wonder how many people on this thread have actually tried to make a fire using regular wood and not with a 'starter' log? That shit is NOT easy even with dry wood, who says that hashirama didn't use damp wood to counter madara's fire techniques? Also wood being acombination elemental jutsu is inherently stronger than a single element like fire much like when yamato and naruto combined to use the water/wind rasenshriken to stop kakuzu's fire...
Now, i'm sure the battle was epic but i don't see how Hashirama was at an insurmountable disadvantage considering the matchup against madara was more to his favor. Probably just a bad matchup for madara...
Mercury Uzumaki
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First I would like to point out that edo Madara never faught the 1st. Seems that a lot of people forgot that madara when he was alive was never as strong as what we see in the new mangas which means its you should not gauge his strength against what we have been shown. Kabutos edo technique has made him stronger than he ever was in life. Just wanted state that seems like madara fans are confused about this to me. I also disagree with your elemental jutsu argument, its pretty clear that mokuton not only trumps fire but any other single elemental jutsu. When you add 2 elements together this trumps using a single element(especially when one of the 1 of the 2 elements cancels the other other fires weakness is water) mokuton is water + earth. Next I highly doubt that any of madaras fire techs had anywhers close to the power of a tbb from the 9 tails which the 1st defended against. The fight on generations gives us a preview of the epic battle madRa vs the 1st, and we see how efficient the 1st was at using basic mokuton.imagine when he pulls out the heavy duty jutsus. I also think you would have to be dellusional to think that madara was equall or stronger than the 1st when its very clear he was weaker hence losing to the 1st with the power of kurama. Madara is a beast and so are the sharingan but do not underestimate the power of sealing jutsu,multiple elements including what to me seems to be ths strongest weve seen mokuton, mokutons healing ability, genjutsu, taijutsu, and one of ths largest chakras of any character. This combo is pretty impressive and he may have more abilities.
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!Yeah thats my point!
I hope so that would prove everything once and for all. It would also be awesome. XDAnyway i believe were defiantly going to see a flashback of the madara vs hashirama fight VERY soon.
someone stated, no the manga stated dey match im just telling you they aren't!! hashi beat him the on their own fight! that mean madara no longer a march!! and either way even if madara has sharingan or 9 tails they were useless against hashi because hashi won in the end of their fight, no matter how you see it, hashi was stronger then both of them thats why he bring both down! Accept it!
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sage610tails
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No its because senju will of fire is strong they're ...hard to beat no matter what.u have u see naruto its the will power to win n what u fighting for....... the 1st was fighting for the sake of world cuz if madara won world as u kno would be hell.