How did the 1st beat Madara???

[MasterofSenjutsu]

Well even if Hashirama had water earth and wood. Madara was the greatest fire style user ever. So dont you think he had an advantage angaisnt a wood user? Even if hashirama could use water Madaras Fire techs where on another level. So it would make it almost impossible to extinguish his fire techs. What im saying is it looked like Madara had the upper hand and he still lost. How? IDK!

Again, WATER. Even if Madara was the best fire style user, water still beats it. Even though water might not have been Hashi's affinity, he probably was very good at it. Since this was HASHIRAMA, his water style may have been on par with Madara's fire style. And nowhere is it said that Madara was the best Fire style user. If he was, don't you think he would have developed Blaze Release or some type of kekkai genkai of Fire? Madara praised Hashi's ability. Apparently, Hashi was the only one who was on par with him. I don't see what's so hard for you to understand this.

 

[Tripwire]

Again, WATER. Even if Madara was the best fire style user, water still beats it. Even though water might not have been Hashi's affinity, he probably was very good at it. Since this was HASHIRAMA, his water style may have been on par with Madara's fire style. And nowhere is it said that Madara was the best Fire style user. If he was, don't you think he would have developed Blaze Release or some type of kekkai genkai of Fire? Madara praised Hashi's ability. Apparently, Hashi was the only one who was on par with him. I don't see what's so hard for you to understand this.

You urself said that it wasnt just about elements well im saying that madara's fire was stronger than hashi's water. Youre gonna tell me the leader of the Uchihas was gonna be a bad fire style user?? That makes no sense. If they were at par as you claim then Madaras fire style should be better than what Hashirama can use as water. After all Hashirama was known for his wood style not water. Like I said Madara clearly can use more than just his Fire element he still has his sharingan.

"As an Uchiha, Madara is a master of Fire Release techniques, having displayed extreme proficiency in the use of techniques like Fire Release: Great Fire Annihilation or Fire Release: Great Fire Destruction, the former requiring the combination of numerous Water Release: Water Encampment Walls to extinguish, and the later incinerating a large portion of the forest he had created."

So that is why I say Madara had the upper hand.

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

You urself said that it wasnt just about elements well im saying that madara's fire was stronger than hashi's water. Youre gonna tell me the leader of the Uchihas was gonna be a bad fire style user?? That makes no sense. If they were at par as you claim then Madaras fire style should be better than what Hashirama can use as water. After all Hashirama was known for his wood style not water. Like I said Madara clearly can use more than just his Fire element he still has his sharingan.

"As an Uchiha, Madara is a master of Fire Release techniques, having displayed extreme proficiency in the use of techniques like Fire Release: Great Fire Annihilation or Fire Release: Great Fire Destruction, the former requiring the combination of numerous Water Release: Water Encampment Walls to extinguish, and the later incinerating a large portion of the forest he had created."

So that is why I say Madara had the upper hand.

I didn't say he sucked at fire style, I just said there is no basis that says he is the best. Just because he is a master, it doesn't make him the best. Sasuke is a master at fire style, he developed Blaze Release. Itachi is also probably a master at Fire style too. And don't forget, Hashi uses Mokuton to supress the beasts. He also knows Bringer of Darkness, a nasty genjutsu. Hashi can also heal himself without hand seals. Like you said Madara had more than fire element, Hashi had more than just wood style.

 

[Dantee]

I think some people are missing the point of this thread. If Hashirama and Madara were looked at as equals and Madara had the Kyubbi on his side. How the fk did he still lose.


Actually if MS Madara was seen as equal Hashirama. How tf did he still lose.

 

[Tripwire]

I didn't say he sucked at fire style, I just said there is no basis that says he is the best. Just because he is a master, it doesn't make him the best. Sasuke is a master at fire style, he developed Blaze Release. Itachi is also probably a master at Fire style too. And don't forget, Hashi uses Mokuton to supress the beasts. He also knows Bringer of Darkness, a nasty genjutsu. Hashi can also heal himself without hand seals. Like you said Madara had more than fire element, Hashi had more than just wood style.

I get that, I was just trying to point out that if they where equal at the point at which they fought then Madara shoulve had an advantage because He had control over the 9 tails and a but of an elemental advantage. I would like to see this fight to see what really happened...but as it seems Hashirama was unrivaled back then and Madara was just the closest one to his skill level.

 

[Tripwire]

i think some people are missing the point of this thread. If hashirama and madara were looked at as equals and madara had the kyubbi on his side. How the fk did he still lose.


Actually if ms madara was seen as equal hashirama. How tf did he still lose.

there you go!!! Thats my point exactly <3!!!!!

 

[narutownsyouall]

People said that they were equals but Kabuto stated that Hashirama was still quite ahead of Madara at the time they were both just really strong and normal people couldnt fight with them but hashi was milestones ahead of Madara

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

I get that, I was just trying to point out that if they where equal at the point at which they fought then Madara shoulve had an advantage because He had control over the 9 tails and a but of an elemental advantage. I would like to see this fight to see what really happened...but as it seems Hashirama was unrivaled back then and Madara was just the closest one to his skill level.

HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ELEMENT ADVANTAGE!! Just because he has fire style that could beat wood style, that does not mean he has elemental advantage. His fire may beat Hashi's wood, but Hashi's water beat Madara's fire. And since Madara didn't have anything to trump that, that gives Hashi the elemental advantage. And Kurama was tamed by Hashi because his wood style suppresses the power of the 9 tails. The only thing that Madara had over Hashi was his EMS and since Amaterasu is a slow burn, and his Susanoo has been shown that it can be beaten, that only leaves Tsukuyomi. We don't know how good Madara is at Tsukuyomi, we can't assume he had an advantage.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Why does everybody think that we know all that Hashirama can do ??? We know he has wood release but I'm sure he could do much more it just hasn't been revealed yet.

 

[Tripwire]

HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ELEMENT ADVANTAGE!! Just because he has fire style that could beat wood style, that does not mean he has elemental advantage. His fire may beat Hashi's wood, but Hashi's water beat Madara's fire. And since Madara didn't have anything to trump that, that gives Hashi the elemental advantage. And Kurama was tamed by Hashi because his wood style suppresses the power of the 9 tails. The only thing that Madara had over Hashi was his EMS and since Amaterasu is a slow burn, and his Susanoo has been shown that it can be beaten, that only leaves Tsukuyomi. We don't know how good Madara is at Tsukuyomi, we can't assume he had an advantage.

You speak of Hashirama like youve seen him fight. We dont know shit about him other than what we have heard so stop overrating him. We dont know what Madara can do either but they were considered equal. So youre saying that Hashirama was able to fight off both the 9 tails and Madara just like that... THATS BULLSHIT. Youre underestimating the power of the 9 tails obviously. My question to you is how the f*** does Hashirama win against Madara with EMS and 9 tails by his side. Theres no way they were equal if the 1st was able to beat him.

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

You speak of Hashirama like youve seen him fight. We dont know shit about him other than what we have heard so stop overrating him. We dont know what Madara can do either but they were considered equal. So youre saying that Hashirama was able to fight off both the 9 tails and Madara just like that... THATS BULLSHIT. Youre underestimating the power of the 9 tails obviously. My question to you is how the f*** does Hashirama win against Madara with EMS and 9 tails by his side. Theres no way they were equal if the 1st was able to beat him.

Honestly, are you even reading what I type. HASHI'S WOOD STYLE SUPPRESSES THE NINE TAILS POWER!!! So Kurama is out of the question. Hashi was able to seal Kurama inside of his wife, Mito. It was basically Hashi versus Madara, in which Hashi came out the winner. Comprendes?

 

[-Cerberus-]

with a strap on

 

[Tripwire]

Honestly, are you even reading what I type. HASHI'S WOOD STYLE SUPPRESSES THE NINE TAILS POWER!!! So Kurama is out of the question. Hashi was able to seal Kurama inside of his wife, Mito. It was basically Hashi versus Madara, in which Hashi came out the winner. Comprendes?

What you dont understand is how the **** did that happen, you think Madara would just stand there and let Hashirama seal the fox...cmon dude what im saying is how does he seal the fox while trying to fight off Madara. Clearly Madara had the advantage yet he still lost. COMPRENDES?

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

What you dont understand is how the **** did that happen, you think Madara would just stand there and let Hashirama seal the fox...cmon dude what im saying is how does he seal the fox while trying to fight off Madara. Clearly Madara had the advantage yet he still lost. COMPRENDES?

What the hell do you want me to say? I'm not Kishi!! I'm just stating how these things were possible, I don't know how Hashi found a way to do it.

 

[Tripwire]

What the hell do you want me to say? I'm not Kishi!! I'm just stating how these things were possible, I don't know how Hashi found a way to do it.

Well the point of this thread atleast until it drifted away into this, is that Madara had the advantage considering it was a 2v1 fight yet he still lost... how tf does he lose if they were suppose to be equals and yet he had an advantage...

 

[TrollingSage]

Well even if Hashirama had water earth and wood. Madara was the greatest fire style user ever. So dont you think he had an advantage angaisnt a wood user? Even if hashirama could use water Madaras Fire techs where on another level. So it would make it almost impossible to extinguish his fire techs. What im saying is it looked like Madara had the upper hand and he still lost. How? IDK!

Bitch please. If Mei didnt have any trouble countering Madara's fire techs with suiton then there's no doubt Hashi's suiton is enough to counter Madara's fire techs.

 

[Tripwire]

Bitch please. If Mei didnt have any trouble countering Madara's fire techs with suiton then there's no doubt Hashi's suiton is enough to counter Madara's fire techs.

Bitch please, you think Madara is going all out on the Kages? To him this is nothing more than a joke. How can you compare this fight going on now to that of which happened in a fight to the death against Hashirama. Clearly you didnt even read the thread cause thats not even what it is about. But good job on the pointless comment.

 

[TrollingSage]

Bitch please, you think Madara is going all out on the Kages? To him this is nothing more than a joke. How can you compare this fight going on now to that of which happened in a fight to the death against Hashirama. Clearly you didnt even read the thread cause thats not even what it is about. But good job on the pointless comment.

Logic 101. To use wood you have to be extremely skilled in both earth and water jutsu. Now Hashirama was said to have created the whole landscape of Konoha with his earth style. And you think he cant extinguish Madara's fires with his suiton . Boy you be tripping.

 

[Tripwire]

Logic 101. To use wood you have to be extremely skilled in both earth and water jutsu. Now Hashirama was said to have created the whole landscape of Konoha with his earth style. And you think he cant extinguish Madara's fires with his suiton . Boy you be tripping.

Logic 101. Read thread before posting.

That is all.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

I mean if you think about it Hashirama is known for his powerful wood techs.
Okay now what is the number one enemy of TREES??? FIRE. What burns down a forest in seconds??? FIRE. Isnt Madara one of the strongest Uchiha + he had the 9 tails on his side...what ever happened to just spamming fire techs all day and burning down Hashirama..I mean I dont get how with a matchup like this Madara coulve lost.

I mean...Madara has Fire release...!!!!

Do you realize that this is not normal wood we are talking about?