Itachi vs. Kakashi (without sharingan)

[Owarij]

He can only use these low level non visual genjutsu that he used against Naruto (crow genjutsu and ephemeral).Kakashi can also use low level genjutsu on sakura without eye contact in firsts chapters (she was the best of the team 7 with genjutsu).

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Furthermore, Itachi failed to caught Kakashi with a sharingan visual eye contact genjutsu Demonic Illusion the similar sharingan genjutsu that he used against Orochimaru.

Itachi and sasuke said it too well when they fought orochimaru "all your jutsus are ineffective against these eyes".

No he can't wth? i posted the databook article for his binding illusion (the one that he used on or)

It clearly states that itachi using it with handseals is possible but unnecessary since he can cast via eye contact

It is not a unique sharingan genjutsu....only mangekyou gives those

Itachi still has his entire genjutsu arsenal..he just has to cast them like kurenai now....with handseals

 

[Vasto Lordé]

but Kakashi have plenty of Jutsu in his sleeves.

Kakashi had those Jutsus cause of his sharingans, with out Sharingan he only have raiton jutsus, I say Itachi is more skilled with kunais and shurikens, itachi sent kurenai flying when he kicked her so taijutsu goes to Itachi, Ninjutsu.... they both have only one kind, Itachi got Fireball techniques, and Kakashi has Raiton, also Itachi can use genjutsus that aren't related to his eyes! Itachi is definitely faster in hand seals and well overall faster. So Itachi takes this.

 

[joshu34]

itachi would win this!low-med difficulty!

i saw a lot of guys talking trash saying kakashi will win!

just think clearly,a sharingan enables a user to not ony copy jutsu's but also copy moves.
in that case,without sharingan, kakashi will lose his 1000 jutsu's but also his vast arsenal of battle moves!

in fact,kakashi will be only left with his chidori,other lightning techniques and not-so-bad taijutsu.
:flaw:
on the other hand,without sharingan,itachi has powerful katon techiniques,very powerful non-visual genjutsu,his amazing speed,the expertise in kunai's and shurikens and good taijutsu.xd

and besides,we all know itachi is one step ahead of kakashi in terms of brains!xd

kakashi has stood helpless in the battlefield not knowing what to do.
eg:kakuzu incident.he was just helpless when his plans failed.:shrug:

while itachi has always found a way out of dangerous predicaments!
eg:edo nagato incident.he planned it perfectly.

 

[-Broly-]

Not to mention totsuka blade a d yata mirror

 

[3MESSIAH]

kakashi would win.he has way more jutsus and all.itachi without his sharingan,tsukuyomi,amaterasu and susanno is almost like an ordinary shinobi.just smarter though xdxd

 

[Rovian]

Not to mention totsuka blade a d yata mirror

I guess he can't use those without using Mangekyo Sharingan dude, which is way beyond Kakashi's abilities.

MS = Susanoo
Susanoo = Totsuka blade/Yata mirror

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

I'm not really understanding the question here, so I'll give both scenarios. If neither of them has Sharingan, then it goes to Itachi. If Kakashi has his Sharingan and Itachi doesn't, then I'd say Kakashi wins mid-difficulty.

 

[-Broly-]

I guess he can't use those without using Mangekyo Sharingan dude, which is way beyond Kakashi's abilities.

MS = Susanoo
Susanoo = Totsuka blade/Yata mirror

That's not true I posted a link showing that the totsuka blade and yata mirrorare just weapons he equipped to susanoo but if you don't believe me google yata mirror and you'll.see there just weapons

 

[Rovian]

kakashi would win.he has way more jutsus and all.itachi without his sharingan,tsukuyomi,amaterasu and susanno is almost like an ordinary shinobi.just smarter though xdxd

I guess taking Nagato's Rinnegan would make him an ordinary Ninja as well, dontcha think? well, you know what.. maybe taking almost every other Naruto characters abilities would make them no longer Shinobi's, how does that sound? of course.. taking someones main power would make them weaker.. that's why I still see this comparison useless.

 

[Mrjaw1991]

This is a tough one:
-They are both geniuses
-Ninjutsu goes to Kakashi
-Genjutsu goes to Itachi
-Taijutsu goes to ether I'm not sure

--If Kakashi is able to break of simple genjutsu easily then this will be a good fight. I believe Itachi is faster but its not like Kakashi can't keep up.
--This fight is a draw, the loser will be the one that makes a simple mistake in battle, The person that wins is the one confuses/tricks the other first.

How does ninjutsu go to kakashi he copied every jutsu hes used. his only original jutsu is the Raikiri, and he also has a thousand years of death. Whats he gunna do poke him in the but, then while itachi is in mid air he will use raikiri? This battle is meaningless

 

[Rovian]

the legendary weapons are complet;ey unrelated to suanoo.

orochimaru searched for them years

It is related to his Susanoo.. it's not an item that he would go for and grab it out from the ground, Orochimaru searched for them cause he read about them in books, idk maybe they originally belonged to the SO6P, and maybe by fate Itachi had them in his MS abilities.

 

[mas129]

I guess he can't use those without using Mangekyo Sharingan dude, which is way beyond Kakashi's abilities.

MS = Susanoo
Susanoo = Totsuka blade/Yata mirror

Please read the earlier post especially that of Owarij, he can and Oro searched for them meaning he obviously wanted to use them or are you going to say that he has Sasonoo

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[Rovian]

That's not true I posted a link showing that the totsuka blade and yata mirrorare just weapons he equipped to susanoo but if you don't believe me google yata mirror and you'll.see there just weapons

How come Sasuke has a bow in his Susanoo? every Susanoo has it's own unique weapons and abilities.. check my comment above too.

 

[Rovian]

Please read the earlier post especially that of Owarij, he can and Oro searched for them meaning he obviously wanted to use them or are you going to say that he has Sasonoo

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Orochimaru thought they were a physical weapons that he can grab and use, he never thought that such weapons would only exist in certain circumstances.. as I said, Orochimaru searched for it cause he probably read about it in books, I'm sure they belonged to the SO6P somehow, even Itachi necklace does look the same as the SO6P, I'm sure there is something related in that matter.. therefor, it belongs to Itachi's Susanoo.

 

[uchiha goku]

Kakashi w/o sharingan is no match for itachi. itachi competes with guys like nagato tobi minato sasuke naruto. kaskashi is below his level. please why u guy underestimate itachi ?

 

[Owarij]

Orochimaru thought they were a physical weapons that he can grab and use, he never thought that such weapons would only exist in certain circumstances.. as I said, Orochimaru searched for it cause he probably read about it in books, I'm sure they belonged to the SO6P somehow, even Itachi necklace does look the same as the SO6P, I'm sure there is something related in that matter.. therefor, it belongs to Itachi's Susanoo.

dude no, they are legendary items

Sword of kusunagi
Totsuka sword
Yata mirror

legendary items that have nothing to do with susanno...
Itachi found them before orochimaru And equipped them to his susanno, Orochimaru found kusunagi...

He didnt just activate his susanno and see them there.. no he found them somewhere....

they have no real form so they can change appearances... meaning if itachi was to hold it, it wouldn't be big like you see it in susannos hands..

 

[Zatanna]

This is jsut a personal opinion and observation.

Analysing both of them:

Taijutsu:
Itachi here is difficult to judge considering that he is dying from sickness. Is this fair if he is?
Going on the assumption that both are in a good condition to fight and perfectly healthy, I would have to say that Kakashi has to win this one with a 9 while Itachi has an 8. Only reason for this being that Kakashi hasnt shown any training in genjutsu and would there for spend time training in other fighting styles using Taijutsu.

Genjutsu:
Itachi has won this pretty easily. Even without Sharingans, he can cast genjutsu with fingers. It would only take a second for kakashi to get trapped in this and he would be gone. Kakashi may be able to get out of it if he was aware, but we know that Itachi is clever and would be able to out speed Kakashi to kill him.

Ninjutsu:
Breaking this down into two parts.
Mid to long range jutsu, itachis fire style will win. Its ment to be a mid range jutsu while Kakashi's Lighting style is more Close to mid range.
Taking away their sharingans, limits their jutsu style and so assuming they only have their base jutsu, Itachis being Fire and Water, and Kakashis being Lightning and Earth.

In the end, it will be who can strike first, and I think that Itachi would be able to out manvuer and outspeed kakashi.
It would be a fantastic and great battle to watch though and could go either way.

 

[The Eye]

Stamina_kakashi? Are u sure?


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positive with itachi 2.5
and kakashi a 3 im pretty sure he has a higher stamina

 

[Rovian]

dude no, they are legendary items

Sword of kusunagi
Totsuka sword
Yata mirror

legendary items that have nothing to do with susanno...
Itachi found them before orochimaru And equipped them to his susanno, Orochimaru found kusunagi...

He didnt just activate his susanno and see them there.. no he found them somewhere....

they have no real form so they can change appearances... meaning if itachi was to hold it, it wouldn't be big like you see it in susannos hands..

Dude, they were physical items in myths.. I know they existed as a physical items before, somehow maybe SO6P changed their forms and made them as a spiritual items, or maybe he gave them to his "Uchiha Ancestor" son, or implemented them on him so that someday one of his successors would come to use them as an eye ability, everything is possible in Naruto you know, that is my opinion though.

 

[The Eye]

You are comparing sick itachi in stats ^.

just goes to show how desperate kakshis fanbase are getting

and the sharigan also makes kakashi stamina drain too?
your point?