Weaknesses/Counters for Bringer Of Darkness

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First of all allow me to say this isnt a hate thread towards Hashirama because ive already hailed him as the greatest ninja ever even before the latest chapter releases nor am i taking a jib at his recent unknown fanbase xd. People have requested for me to create this thread and tbh it was already on my mind anyway. Reason for this thread is because although i believe Bringer of Darkness is a special technique, ive seen in recent vs threads regarding hashirama, people saying; "Bringer of Darkness and its over" and thats far from the case because this technique does have its advantages but at the same time its rigged with weaknesses and against high level shinobi's it would prove 9/10 times ineffective.

This is bringer of darkness
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Basically bringer of darkness is a 'genjutsu' that controls only the opponents eyesight. Meaning its only the opponent eyesight that has been blinded. It doesnt turn the area pitch black in real life, its an hallucination that affects its opponent and no one else. Note that the other senses such as hearing, smell, touch and taste are unaffected. This is the first downside to this technique because regular genjutsu all your senses are controlled meaning you'd have to break the illusion before you can come back to real life and use nin/tai. In bringer of darkness only your eyesight has been taken from you therefore you arent in an illusion so to speak, you can attack and defend in real life, that is if you know where your enemy is. You are still vulnerable to attacks. One of big advantages is that it cannot be cancelled by normal means, you have to make contact with the user.

Now for the weaknesses of this technique. First of all its a short to mid range techniquehttp://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Bringer-of-Darkness_Technique (look at the range column) , meaning if you are out of range you cannot be caught. Basically majority of long range fighters or shinobi's who can fly can escape this;
Deva path;
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Deidora and Oonoki;
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Mu and gaara;
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Next is availability of clones. Clones allow two things. Firstly it increases your evasiveness/defence and also your offence.
We saw against neji how naruto increased his evasiveness/defence;
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The chances are the user of bringer of darkness making contact with the real person is 1/100000000 dependant on how many clones the user makes. Secondly not even the byakugan can tell the difference between a clone and the original therefore its highly unlikely that the user of bringer of darkness would also;
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The offensive capabilities of this kage bunshin should be pretty clear. You have the number advantage and with this increase the probabilities of you gaining a hit on the user of bringer of darkness;
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Now the ability to put up a barrier would highly regarded in such a situation;
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The rennigan like the sharigan and byakugan can see chakra and with this nagato was able to see the barrier. Its a good barrier because it detects the position of the opponent. This is a detection barrier.

Another barrier is this

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So either a detection barrier or a barrier that traps its opponents into your ideal environment would counter this technique

Sensors, meaning people like, Ao, C, Mu, Naruto, Karin should all be able to sense and know where the user of this technique is;
Mu;
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Sm naruto;
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Or sense evil thoughts its even better;
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Any sensor should be able to locate the user of this technique's chakra and with that know their position

There are many ninja's who are not sensor's so to speak but have techniques that allows them to either sense or locate their opponent. Example is nagato with his rain tiger at will technique
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Gaara's sand sensing ;
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Tobirama's technique and minato's technique;
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Any ability to sense could prove vital against the bringer of darkness

There are many other abilities that you could use against the bringer of darkness. Examples are;

Mu;
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If the user of bringer of darkness was to use it, this technique will do very well because its now turned into a game of hide and seek.

Blaze Release (I know, im cool like that :cool:). This technique if molded around susano could not only help with defence, but also offence if the user of bringer of darkness decided to attack;
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Nagato's ability to use his different abilities in conjuction which each other should break bringer darkness. He was able to use human path (soul removal) in conjuction with pretha path to absorb rasengan;
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Whilt using nakara path;
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And asura;
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He grew hands in that position ot counter bee.
If you go back to kakashi vs deva and asura path, he was able to grow hands at all corners of his body;
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We know that he can use the paths abilities at ease. We also know that he can grow hands on any part of his body. Going by this if he decides to use asura path and create hands al over his body, then user deva path (banshou tennin), even though he wouldnt know where the user of bringer of darkness is, he would surely draw them to him because his 6/8 hands would be enough to cover any blind spot;
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With this contact is made

Examples of senses that are still active when under this technique;
Smell;
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Feel/Touch;
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There are many high level ninja's who are not sensors but are incredibly keen and know their surroundings very well;
Itachi with his back turned was the only one able to know sense sasuke so to speak;
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With his back turned was able to sense naruto's clones;
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Minato with his back turned;
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nice evidence I agree with most of it xd
 

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But the thing would be it would be VERY difficult to dodge Mokuton while under the jutsu..

Nice thread btw.
 

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And Bobs your uncle fanboys of Hashirama. U_U Hopefully people will see the light now


+Rep
 

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I agree and I think that C's Raigen is better but asura path can only have 6 arms and they grow on his shoulders not anywhere on his body.
 

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Thats the bringer of darkness, now how can the opponent of the 1st hokage counter his wood style and flower world? also healings. The 1st is beatable, but we just havent seen alot to say that any person can beat him. 1 on 1. Just countering the bringer of darkness isn't going to take down the 1st hokage.
 

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:( ,
noone post in this thread, the quicker it dies noone has to see it, and i can still spam my hashirama wins in versus threads O.O
 

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its good but how will you reach hashirame to breake the genjutsu . and evade his wood release
 

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Also, perfect Jinchuuriki could likely break out of an A-rank genjutsu, not sure of Tsukuyomi (SAVE THE ARGUMENT FOR ANOTHER TIME I REFUSE TO GET INTO THIS ABOUT TSUKUYOMI). Bringer-of-darkness was taken out by an old Hiruzen by using his NOSE.

It's not THAT great of a genjutsu. It's useful, but is outclassed by about 90% of what Itachi has shown along with Kotoamatsukami.
 

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'Bout time Blaze. Nice explanation +rep.

Hopefully this puts an end to the misuse of this jutsu when used in 'VS' threads. But it won't xd
 

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:( ,
noone post in this thread, the quicker it dies noone has to see it, and i can still spam my hashirama wins in versus threads O.O

Lmao :flaw:

its good but how will you reach hashirame to breake the genjutsu . and evade his wood release

This isnt a vs thread xd. Its just counters for it.
Regardless if you go back to kakashi gaiden, minato was able to sense the fodder who guess what?, was on a tree (mokouton)

'Bout time Blaze. Nice explanation +rep.

Hopefully this puts an end to the misuse of this jutsu when used in 'VS' threads. But it won't xd


Meh, id just upload the link and leave xd
 

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I agree and I think that C's Raigen is better but asura path can only have 6 arms and they grow on his shoulders not anywhere on his body.

Ability of asura might give it 6 arms, but if you add nagato's orinigal 2 arms its 8 arms xd. Secondly he might grow it on his arms but what does that prove?
 

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blaze release... we finally agree on something +rep for epic find :D
 

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Yh i also like that one. Saves me the trouble from uploading a face palm pic

well the wall palm and quad facepalm... or facepalm collage's are still required at certain times lol

back on topic...
epic , i never really thought about this :D !!!!!!!
 

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well the wall palm and quad facepalm... or facepalm collage's are still required at certain times lol

back on topic...
epic , i never really thought about this :D !!!!!!!

Cool thanks, ive quiet a few threads but half the time i cannot be asked to create them
 

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Cool thanks, ive quiet a few threads but half the time i cannot be asked to create them

whenever i have a theory thread they dont get more than 2 pages of posts... like my gai and his 8th gate thread i did....
 
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