Uchihajin Sasuke
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Soo much garbage in this post, naruto is the weaker one trying to catch up to sasuke, dont twist the facts nardo fanboy
[Spoilers] Sasuke's current powers with ems
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dowhatupreach
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dude, have you seen the pre-shippuden battle of two-tailed naruto vs cursed-mark sasuke? they are meant to be equal, and for the most part, naruto is the one catching up. if naruto and sasuke are not equal, why waste the time to read/watch the final fight between sasuke and naruto when we know who will win?
what are u guys on about, greater the villain greater the hero.Soo much garbage in this post, naruto is the weaker one trying to catch up to sasuke, dont twist the facts nardo fanboy
Naruto is fighting shinobi alot stronger than sasuke, it would make any sense for sasuike to make naruto struggle more than tobi and madara would dont u think?
Also just because naruto says sauske is his inprisation that doeast naruto is weaker. Alots changed since the days naruto could barely control his chakra in the eatly days of part 1.
Why do u sasuke got pissed when naruto actual;ly leaRNED jutsu(rasengan) he knew he was inferior.
And EMS doesnt change anything naruto has sage mode and fox mode, wind rasengan etc..
But like I said greater the thread, greater the hero must be.
Unless u think sasuke is better than tobi and madara whom of which are naruto's enimes.
And if u must know I think both naruto and sasuke are splioled brats, just stating the obvious from plot persecptive.
1.) Ameratsu when used on Bee did not take Bee down, he used a substitution jutsu, giving up a tentacle making Sasuke look like a jackass in front of all of the remaining Akatsuki, including a funny joke from Kisame. In theory the process could've repeated itself, but Sasuke was so drained from being almost killed multiple times by Bee he wasn't careful and didn't check the area meticulously, so the fight finished. Who knows since Sasuke turned off the flames... Also, too many people have survived/avoided Ameratsu for it to still be considered an insta-kill technique in my opinion.
3.) Don't you think that Itachi might need Yata's mirror and the Sword of Totsuka to fight Kabuto and whatever the hell he has up his sleeve if he's going to end the Impure World Resurrection (IWR)? This is wishful thinking unless you can give me a rationale as to why Itachi would give it to him and how. I don't even know how these spiritual items work, are they bound to Itachi's soul for now? Who knows, but I have a feeling that Kishi wants Sasuke to be unique and not just an Itachi spinoff, which is why even when they have the same MS techniques and Katon techniques they implement them very differently. Itachi giving Sasuke his spiritual items goes against the writing style Kishi has used so far (i.e. divergence) and goes towards convergence of the characters; thus, I don't think it's going to happen. Nor, do I think it's a requisite to survive the TBB Rasengan or Kishi would've written himself into a corner and known it already.
4.) Sure, depending on which Madara we're talking about EMS Madara who fought the 1st Hokage Senju Hashirama before awakening the Rinnegan and taking a portion of his strength, yes I think Sasuke can surpass that Madara. The current ET Madara who has a Rinnegan and has been enhanced to a merge of Senju Hashirama's power's, with the EMS alone, no! To think so is ridiculous. That's one dangerous cat. He's fighting the 5 Kages at once and holding his own without much apparent difficulty from what we've seen, nor does he have some of the limits that mortal beings have such damage regeneration and possibly stamina. Right now, I don't of anyone else who can effectively fight the 5 Kages at once like he has, possibly Naruto will develop to that point and Sasuke too, but they're not there yet. Quite frankly, I don't know if they're meant to ever get there. I don't know if that much power is ever meant to be possessed by an individual aside from the Rikudou Sennin himself, and for good reason. Look at what's happened with it in the wrong hands of ET Madara.
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1.) First, there's no evidence that Sasuke can turn back time with his EMS. Second, that would be the most haxed jutsu ever, so no I don't think it's ever coming to anyone ever. It's more haxed than when Danzou was stringing along his Izanagi's with ugly ass Shisui 10 Sharingan-eye arm of his. I suppose Tobi's was even worse since he perfected it when he used it against Konan, and it didn't cost him a Sharingan.
2.) As I stated above in response to another post, which Madara are you referring to...? The EMS Madara who fought Senju Hashirama? Yes I think Sasuke is meant to, but I don't know if he's there yet as he just started using the EMS and has only gone against cannon fodder White Zetsu. ET Madara is fighting the 5 Kages successfully with the Rinnegan and Mokuton, so uh no, not until I see a lot more out of EMS Sasuke and BM Naruto (ex. he'll need more than 5 minutes of BM, lol) for that matter.
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No offense, but you've already made several Uchiha Sasuke biased threads and posts if if I recall correctly, so I don't think you're in a position to judge people on their objectivity. I take it you know the saying about people in glass houses shouldn't through stones...?Soo much garbage in this post, naruto is the weaker one trying to catch up to sasuke, dont twist the facts nardo fanboy
If I have the wrong person, my apologies, but I'm pretty certain, and I can just do a search engine after posting this. Also, while I disagree with Psukarr on this point, he's not a Naruto fanboy unless he's changed personalities in the last couple of posts without notifying anyone, judging from the past couple of years body of work he has compiled here on NB, so please do some research (i.e. search engine) before calling people out as fanboys and maybe an apology or correction would be nice
. Thank you in advance. In fact, I have rep to to spread, so +rep in advance for this. :hug: However, I think that your attempted point that they are roughly equals with fluctuations is more accurate. Essentially, one could consider them somewhat like similar mathematical functions with stochastic processes if you want to get fancy, which is as fancy as I'll go for fun because I've been working too much. xd
Regarding Naruto and Sasuke's power levels. They always fluctuate, such that at one point in time one is a little stronger than the other. (Do I really have to cite the manga? It happens so often that it's almost law or a tenet of the Narutoverse that anyone who reads the manga should know this.
) Then one receives a power up, and is transiently stronger than the other until the other receives their equalizer power up, and when they fight they're equals, albeit there can even be mini fluctuations in power ups like at the Valley of the End fight where they were constantly going back and forth as to who was stronger and ended up even at the end with Sasuke trying to land a body blow and Naruto trying to scratch Sasuke's forehead protector. The only other fight that appears to have had power ups like Naruto vs. Sasuke's pre-time-skip Valley of the End fight was the fight between Hashirama and Madara at the Valley of the End, but without the details we don't know much at all, really just a small fraction, tidbits, and a summary. I suspect Hashirama must have had some power ups (granted having Mito step in after gaining control of the Kyuubi should count whether she sealed the Kyuubi immediately during the fight or simply began and finished afterwards) if Madara did have power ups (Rinnegan and a portion of Hashirama's strength, known) simply in order to keep on par with Madara even if Madara's power ups were near the time of his death since he didn't die at the Valley of the End, which leaves us all wondering why naturally... Maybe he was just a shell of his former self leaving no threat to Hashirama as well as being sans the Kyuubi. I'm just speculating about the lack of why he didn't die at the Valley of the End fight until I hear it from the sources such as ET Madara, Tobi, Kurama, Zetsu maybe?, etc.
Does this negate Naruto ultimately being the strongest in the end? Not necessarily, but not the corollary either. His fate as the main protagonist and the destined child is not to be the most powerful character of the series either, nor does being the greatest Hokage confer being the most powerful, as Naruto's fate is to revolutionize the ninja world by either leading it to destruction (unlikely at this point) or bring a revolution of peace (more likely I would say, lol
). Attributes other than simply blowing crap up (which he's pretty good at already) are needed for this revolution of peace. Naruto didn't gain the names of the Bijou solely by his feats of strength, albeit that was a critical component as demonstrated by his actions in KM, SM, and BM, but also his solemn words to the Bijou were critical in gaining their allegiance. This ability talk-no-jutsu is what separates Naruto from most other ninja aside from a few such as the Rikudou Sennin, Senju Hashirama, maybe Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Jiraiya, maybe Kakashi (note the teaching line from younger son of the So6P). There's also members from other villages that we know less about, but they were demonstrated in the last chapter in the Onooki flashback as well as Bee's and the 4th Raikage's relationship. Then there's the byproducts of Naruto's freaky cultish chakra such as Gaara, Nagato, Konan, amongst others who come within prolonged exposure to his chakra forcing them to like him (potentially including Kurama by leaching his chakra), lol.
Now, while these other ninja may possess a proper philosophy towards peace, they lack that spark that Naruto has, that's part guts (which is rare as shown by it being a requirement for sage mode) and something I'm not sure how to describe other than a "spark." He has something indescribable that I've not seen in any character past or present except maybe the younger son if I saw more of him, that draws people to him, which is part of his creepy cultish "you're going to like me chakra." Personally, I think that Naruto's ninja prowess and this spark are what make him the destined child that Nagato and Minato didn't have (hence why Jiraiya was wrong, or better stated, they were precursors setting the stage), which is why they entrusted their futures to him as the destined child in the end.
P.S. Sasuke is made special by his ninja prowess and essentially by being Naruto's 'foil'. While Naruto's empowered by light, Sasuke is empowered by darkness as we only saw the hints of such power in Gaara in the pre-time-skip, Sasuke has fully unlocked it. If they're equals in ninja prowess, then light will extinguish darkness I expect. That's how things will be decided, and only one ninja will remain empowered in the end. Speculation... That's all. Hope it was a good read. lol.
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Sasuke's power has increased a lot. His MS has become more efficient. Amaterasu doesn't come from his eyes anymore they come from Susanoo and he can from and create it in any form he chooses.
His Susanoo doesn't seem to possess the legendary items like Itachi's does or we would have saw them.
That technique was Tsukuyomi. Sasuke's eyes were in EMS form so his genjutsu was Tsukuyomi. Its power also increased.
Seeing Sasuke using all 3 MS jutsu it would seem like EMS uses very little to almost no chakra. Which is great because Sasuke already has vast amounts of chakra and MS took away a ton if chakra. Fighting someone like Naruto who can fight for days, you need to conserve a lot of chakra.
I don't think Sasuke will gain a new technique. The translation said with EMS you gain a new doujutsu. Just like Madara gained a new doujutsu from the rinnegan.
Lastly Sasuke wont get the lightning shroud. Sasuke doesn't really copy techniques. He only copied the chidori and Lee's taijutsu. Also the lightning shroud looks like it consumes huge amount of chakra and emense chakra control. It would still be a waist because BM Naruto is way faster than Raikage. Going head to head in a taijutsu match with Naruto died when he learn Sage mode. If Naruto can send 5 tailed beast flying miles away easily I think Naruto's strength and speed is in a whole new level. Sasuke has the perfect defense so he'll use that.
His Susanoo doesn't seem to possess the legendary items like Itachi's does or we would have saw them.
That technique was Tsukuyomi. Sasuke's eyes were in EMS form so his genjutsu was Tsukuyomi. Its power also increased.
Seeing Sasuke using all 3 MS jutsu it would seem like EMS uses very little to almost no chakra. Which is great because Sasuke already has vast amounts of chakra and MS took away a ton if chakra. Fighting someone like Naruto who can fight for days, you need to conserve a lot of chakra.
I don't think Sasuke will gain a new technique. The translation said with EMS you gain a new doujutsu. Just like Madara gained a new doujutsu from the rinnegan.
Lastly Sasuke wont get the lightning shroud. Sasuke doesn't really copy techniques. He only copied the chidori and Lee's taijutsu. Also the lightning shroud looks like it consumes huge amount of chakra and emense chakra control. It would still be a waist because BM Naruto is way faster than Raikage. Going head to head in a taijutsu match with Naruto died when he learn Sage mode. If Naruto can send 5 tailed beast flying miles away easily I think Naruto's strength and speed is in a whole new level. Sasuke has the perfect defense so he'll use that.
yes they are progessing at the same time but they dont progress at the same rates. Naruto got a hell of lot bigger powerup when he teamed up with the fox compared to sasuke's ems, regardless what that ems tech is.
Unless sasuke gets a rinnegan I dont see how u guys think sasuke vs naruto will be more intense than something like naruto vs madara/tobi and tailed beasts.
I'm sorry but who're you to say that? Do you know this manga better than the author himself? No, you don't. We haven't seen anything from ems so you're really not in the position to say who got the bigger power up.
Last time I checked Kishi's the one writing this manga, not you. If he wanted Sasuke to have jutsu to destroy the world then he could.
Kishi said they progress as a pair hence they're equal. He even said he always has Sasuke in the back of his mind when he's writing Naruto. Kishi's words hold a hell of a lot more water than yours.
Honord Sage
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Yes, Kishi has made Sasuke have great power but to show how much more Naruto is to become, over Sasuke, Kishi has shows en Naruto as the Hero not Sasuke. Naruto's job is to stop Sasuke and Sasuke job is to make Naruto so strong that the outcome is not in dough. You may not like that Sasuke has ben chosen t as the one Naruto is to defeat on His way as the Hero and bringer of peace and a new age in the Ninja world but thats what villains do, they make the Hero great.
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Honord Sage
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Yes, it dose anybody that thinks Sasuke is going to be the main focus of the manga is wrong, Kishi loves Sasuke because He is the main reason for Naruto's growth into becoming what He is to become, the main character that unites all factions under Him as the SO6P did long ago. Sasuke is the instrument use by Kishi to get their .Popeye had Bluto, Superman had Luthor, and Batman had the Joker, And now Naruto has Sasuke a Hero is defined by His enemies and how He deals with them.
Ummm I never said Sasuke is the main focus of this manga, I just said they rival each other in power -_-
Of course Naruto will be stronger in the end because it's his manga, but until then they're pretty much equal as Kishi said.
Maybe you should try reading next time.
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probably something like kenpachis spiritual pressure would be cool...
id love to see sasuke capable of using tobis jutsu too
id love to see sasuke capable of using tobis jutsu too
First, please calm down... now that you're calm +rep... Thanks
Now it is readily apparent to any attentive reader that Naruto and Sasuke are not at equal power continuously, i.e. at every single point in time, throughout the manga and to claim so to claim so such a specious argument that it's actually quite shocking to read it.
Kishi was referring to Sasuke and Naruto on a larger more thematic scale when stating that they're always equals. On a smaller and more discrete time scale, Sasuke and Naruto do not stay equal and there are fluctuations in who is stronger, which has been evident in the manga since before the time-skip going back to their days at the academy and their first mission. Even on the finest scale one can point to their competition of tree walking task, lol, but that time bin is so small it's impractical for most things.
Sasuke initially surpassed Naruto via his natural genius and training, until Naruto's use of the Kyuubi (ex. Haku, but that was unconsciously done due to his emotion at thinking Haku killed Sasuke) and his training with Jiraiya to willfully unlock the Kyuubi. This was quite evident in the Gaara fight if you compare their respective performances and left Sasuke speechless after Naruto did 2,000 clones, summoned Gamabunta, and saved Sakura (granted Sasuke used up some of his chakra on Chuunin exam on Gaara, but so did Gaara. Further Sasuke admitted to Sakura that Naruto saved her, not him).
In fact, Sasuke and Naruto fuel each other, Naruto fuels Sasuke by wanting to be equal to Sasuke and gain his recognition, and Sasuke is fueled by being infuriated by a "failure" such as Naruto considering himself an equal to an elite such as Sasuke because if such a "failure" is his equal how can he accomplish his goals? This is a theme that dates back to the beginning of the manga and is one of the major reasons Sasuke left the village to seek out power. An excellent example is when it boiled over on top of the hospital:
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This is their first showdown of Rasengan vs. Chidori:
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Sasuke's reaction to seeing Rasengan's true destructive power:
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Then you look at their battle at the Valley of the End. Naruto pulls out a little Kyuubi chakra and Sasuke's 2-tomoe Sharingan can't keep up with the speed of Naruto's taijutsu, so he awakens a full 3-tomoe Sharingan and all of a sudden can keep up. Next up, Naruto goes 1-tail Kyuubi cloak, again Sasuke has issues and is eventually forced to go CS2, which he just received but never activated. They end in a draw with Sasuke going for a fatal blow using Chidori and Naruto simply trying to scratch Sasuke's forehead protector with Rasengan. Sasuke wakes up first, and leaves for Orochimaru seeking out the power another way than killing a sleeping Naruto, a corollary to what his brother insisted was necessary for the MS...
At the beginning after the time-skip, Naruto is admittedly in his base-form not the equal of Sasuke's base-form during their reunion, granted he was weakened from being in the 4-tail fox cloak and fight with Orochimaru. This is verified by both Kakashi and Jiraiya. Kakashi sees the upside of this as that Naruto will be inspired to train for FRS. How does Sasuke stand against 4-tails Naruto at that stage? Speculation, so please don't say they're equals. I honestly don't know if Sasuke could've survived against a 4-tails Naruto, but I'm not going to claim 4-tails Naruto the winner either because it's speculation.
After defeating Nagato* (*yes I know he received help (Kurama and Minato), intel via Katsuyu, and plot no jutsu) Zetsu states that sage mode Naruto is probably more powerful than Sasuke to Sasuke and Tobi before Sasuke heads off to the Kage Summit with his MS:
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How much of Zetsu's statement was being an honest assessment from his perspective of all the fights he's recorded and how much of it was being taunting...? I can't be 100% certain, but Zetsu hasn't been the taunting type that much in the manga in comparison to say someone like Kisame, who is the exact opposite and then the comment would have to be taken with context of the character. As well, Zetsu did not correct himself, which seems to indicate both white/black Zetsu agreed, which could be viewed as two independent sources, given that during the 4th Great Ninja War they've been separated for the majority and thus seem capable of existing apart as well as conversing and disagreeing with each other (examples include disagreeing over whether to watch the Nagato or Itachi fight, which of course occurred sequentially. Conversations during the Itachi fight are plentiful where one Zetsu has knowledge the other doesn't.)
It's not terribly surprising either if Zetsu was correct given what Sasuke displayed with his MS up to that point against Bee, and given that he hadn't awoken Susanoo to our knowledge until his fight against the Raikage. This is especially likely since against the Raikage he awoke the Susanoo initially only as the ribs, and awoke it substantially more as time surpassed but had to augment it with Enton (blaze release, Ameratsu controlled) to shield himself from the Raikage.
This is really an excellent example of Naruto and Sasuke being around the same power level, yet unequal, but at slightly different times, especially since we have the manga stating it here via Zetsu along with our own ability of insight along with a history and future of writing from Kishi. A Sasuke with a MS that has poor Tsukiyomi (i.e. no time control), Ameratsu that did not have Enton/blaze release (just an on/off switch), no Susanoo, Kirin (under the right conditions), and failed to capture Killer Bee compared to a Naruto with a perfected sage mode, FRS, and his powerful toad summons that just took down arguably the strongest member or one of the strongest members of Akatsuki (Itachi, ...) probably could be called weaker. Particularly considering that Zetsu, unlike Tobi, didn't even account for the possibility of Nagato failing:
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Honestly, this last point should drive it home pretty loud and clear. If you think about this logically, which I hope that you're still with me, despite the length of the post. The manga is published once a week, OK. There are approximately 48 issues a year; thus, we can bin a year into 48 bins if we want to. For latter 2011 and 2012, how many bins has Sasuke been sitting in a cave doing nothing? I don't know off the top of my head but, we can say for all but a few, Sasuke has been in a cave with his eyes covered in bandages. During that same time period, shadow clones of Naruto in Kyuubi mode (KM) and sage mode (SM) each week/bin have been taking out ET Kage's, white Zetsu's, and powerful opponents such as recently Tobi's six paths of Pain. As well, recently he gained Bijou mode:
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Where was Sasuke, and what was he doing? The most incredible thing we've seen Sasuke do is torch some White Zetsu's, which are cannon fodder, with Ameratsu, and interrogate one with Tsukiyomi, albeit his chakra efficiency looks better. You're advocating that they were equal this whole time. That's absurd. By what metric are you measuring them? They fluctuate in power constantly due these power ups and the discrete nature of the publishing of the manga. The only time they're actually on the approximate same level is when the actually battle each other, and even then there can be fluctuations as seen in the pre-time-skip battle at the Valley of the End, albeit I don't think that will happen again to Naruto, not sure with Sasuke.
Look at the period you average over, is it over a month, well Naruto is still more powerful than Sasuke has demonstrated at times, and vice versa, again based on power ups and the discrete nature of the publication of the manga, which tends to focus on one of them at a time unless they're fighting one another. It's a totally contrived and naive notion that they must be constantly equal in power to be equal when they fight, as all that matters is what happens when they battle. Honestly, we don't know enough about the EMS to even know Sasuke's limits, and Naruto hasn't even perfected BM to know it's limits either. Historically, however, they're never equal in power unless they're fighting each other, and they're equal in power only transiently. In fact I'd say they spend much less time equal in power than they do slightly unequal in power due to fluctuations.
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NarutoKage2
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First, please calm down... now that you're calm +rep... Thanks
Now it is readily apparent to any attentive reader that Naruto and Sasuke are not at equal power continuously, i.e. at every single point in time, throughout the manga and to claim so to claim so such a specious argument that it's actually quite shocking to read it.
Kishi was referring to Sasuke and Naruto on a larger more thematic scale when stating that they're always equals. On a smaller and more discrete time scale, Sasuke and Naruto do not stay equal and there are fluctuations in who is stronger, which has been evident in the manga since before the time-skip going back to their days at the academy and their first mission. Even on the finest scale one can point to their competition of tree walking task, lol, but that time bin is so small it's impractical for most things.
Sasuke initially surpassed Naruto via his natural genius and training, until Naruto's use of the Kyuubi (ex. Haku, but that was unconsciously done due to his emotion at thinking Haku killed Sasuke) and his training with Jiraiya to willfully unlock the Kyuubi. This was quite evident in the Gaara fight if you compare their respective performances and left Sasuke speechless after Naruto did 2,000 clones, summoned Gamabunta, and saved Sakura (granted Sasuke used up some of his chakra on Chuunin exam on Gaara, but so did Gaara. Further Sasuke admitted to Sakura that Naruto saved her, not him).
In fact, Sasuke and Naruto fuel each other, Naruto fuels Sasuke by wanting to be equal to Sasuke and gain his recognition, and Sasuke is fueled by being infuriated by a "failure" such as Naruto considering himself an equal to an elite such as Sasuke because if such a "failure" is his equal how can he accomplish his goals? This is a theme that dates back to the beginning of the manga and is one of the major reasons Sasuke left the village to seek out power. An excellent example is when it boiled over on top of the hospital:
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This is their first showdown of Rasengan vs. Chidori:
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Sasuke's reaction to seeing Rasengan's true destructive power:
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Then you look at their battle at the Valley of the End. Naruto pulls out a little Kyuubi chakra and Sasuke's 2-tomoe Sharingan can't keep up with the speed of Naruto's taijutsu, so he awakens a full 3-tomoe Sharingan and all of a sudden can keep up. Next up, Naruto goes 1-tail Kyuubi cloak, again Sasuke has issues and is eventually forced to go CS2, which he just received but never activated. They end in a draw with Sasuke going for a fatal blow using Chidori and Naruto simply trying to scratch Sasuke's forehead protector with Rasengan. Sasuke wakes up first, and leaves for Orochimaru seeking out the power another way than killing a sleeping Naruto, a corollary to what his brother insisted was necessary for the MS...
At the beginning after the time-skip, Naruto is admittedly in his base-form not the equal of Sasuke's base-form during their reunion, granted he was weakened from being in the 4-tail fox cloak and fight with Orochimaru. This is verified by both Kakashi and Jiraiya. Kakashi sees the upside of this as that Naruto will be inspired to train for FRS. How does Sasuke stand against 4-tails Naruto at that stage? Speculation, so please don't say they're equals. I honestly don't know if Sasuke could've survived against a 4-tails Naruto, but I'm not going to claim 4-tails Naruto the winner either because it's speculation.
After defeating Nagato* (*yes I know he received help (Kurama and Minato), intel via Katsuyu, and plot no jutsu) Zetsu states that sage mode Naruto is probably more powerful than Sasuke to Sasuke and Tobi before Sasuke heads off to the Kage Summit with his MS:
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How much of Zetsu's statement was being an honest assessment from his perspective of all the fights he's recorded and how much of it was being taunting...? I can't be 100% certain, but Zetsu hasn't been the taunting type that much in the manga in comparison to say someone like Kisame, who is the exact opposite and then the comment would have to be taken with context of the character. As well, Zetsu did not correct himself, which seems to indicate both white/black Zetsu agreed, which could be viewed as two independent sources, given that during the 4th Great Ninja War they've been separated for the majority and thus seem capable of existing apart as well as conversing and disagreeing with each other (examples include disagreeing over whether to watch the Nagato or Itachi fight, which of course occurred sequentially. Conversations during the Itachi fight are plentiful where one Zetsu has knowledge the other doesn't.)
It's not terribly surprising either if Zetsu was correct given what Sasuke displayed with his MS up to that point against Bee, and given that he hadn't awoken Susanoo to our knowledge until his fight against the Raikage. This is especially likely since against the Raikage he awoke the Susanoo initially only as the ribs, and awoke it substantially more as time surpassed but had to augment it with Enton (blaze release, Ameratsu controlled) to shield himself from the Raikage.
This is really an excellent example of Naruto and Sasuke being around the same power level, yet unequal, but at slightly different times, especially since we have the manga stating it here via Zetsu along with our own ability of insight along with a history and future of writing from Kishi. A Sasuke with a MS that has poor Tsukiyomi (i.e. no time control), Ameratsu that did not have Enton/blaze release (just an on/off switch), no Susanoo, Kirin (under the right conditions), and failed to capture Killer Bee compared to a Naruto with a perfected sage mode, FRS, and his powerful toad summons that just took down arguably the strongest member or one of the strongest members of Akatsuki (Itachi, ...) probably could be called weaker. Particularly considering that Zetsu, unlike Tobi, didn't even account for the possibility of Nagato failing:
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Honestly, this last point should drive it home pretty loud and clear. If you think about this logically, which I hope that you're still with me, despite the length of the post. The manga is published once a week, OK. There are approximately 48 issues a year; thus, we can bin a year into 48 bins if we want to. For latter 2011 and 2012, how many bins has Sasuke been sitting in a cave doing nothing? I don't know off the top of my head but, we can say for all but a few, Sasuke has been in a cave with his eyes covered in bandages. During that same time period, shadow clones of Naruto in Kyuubi mode (KM) and sage mode (SM) each week/bin have been taking out ET Kage's, white Zetsu's, and powerful opponents such as recently Tobi's six paths of Pain. As well, recently he gained Bijou mode:
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Where was Sasuke, and what was he doing? The most incredible thing we've seen Sasuke do is torch some White Zetsu's, which are cannon fodder, with Ameratsu, and interrogate one with Tsukiyomi, albeit his chakra efficiency looks better. You're advocating that they were equal this whole time. That's absurd. By what metric are you measuring them? They fluctuate in power constantly due these power ups and the discrete nature of the publishing of the manga. The only time they're actually on the approximate same level is when the actually battle each other, and even then there can be fluctuations as seen in the pre-time-skip battle at the Valley of the End, albeit I don't think that will happen again to Naruto, not sure with Sasuke.
Look at the period you average over, is it over a month, well Naruto is still more powerful than Sasuke has demonstrated at times, and vice versa, again based on power ups and the discrete nature of the publication of the manga, which tends to focus on one of them at a time unless they're fighting one another. It's a totally contrived and naive notion that they must be constantly equal in power to be equal when they fight, as all that matters is what happens when they battle. Honestly, we don't know enough about the EMS to even know Sasuke's limits, and Naruto hasn't even perfected BM to know it's limits either. Historically, however, they're never equal in power unless they're fighting each other, and they're equal in power only transiently. In fact I'd say they spend much less time equal in power than they do slightly unequal in power due to fluctuations.
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edo tensai wilmaso
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dude really, do you even read the manga, you can only upgrade to rinnengan using senju dna,.
edo tensai wilmaso
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yeah your right it doesent say it word for word but when you take the fact that he was only able to get it after recieving hashirama powers,.... You know where im going with this 2+2=4please cite the manga where it explicitly and directly states that. I have a feeling you can't. Thanks
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edo tensai wilmaso
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ijust saw the video and it looks like madara did manipulate time for a brief moment i would advise everyone to see that video it is awesome. It's on youtube go look it up.
Ok, so you're theorizing. That's fine, but that's distinct, and you're assuming a + b = c. You have to be careful when you substitute theory for facts, and state clearly when offering theory in their place.
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