Clearing up the confusion on who the strongest Hokage is......
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Saying he's the 3rd strongest hokage is not underrating him at all. There are just TOO MANY diehard FANBOYs on this site...............just saying.............maybe so i agree with you im just saying that minato get's underrated alot but yes he's not exacly the strongest guy ever
Hiruzen old can do every jutsu Hiruzen prime can. The only difference is the speed and strength. You consider that Hiruzen knows many jutsu's when all of us have not seen what those jutsu's are. If I can only find the chapter where someone said that a pre requisite to be a Hokage is to have a thousand jutsu's then it can rule out the argument of Hiruzen defeating Minato because he was the professor and he knows all jutsu.
Prime or not, there is no jutsu in his arsenal that we have seen so far (FACT) that can defeat FTG. What jutsu do you think that Hiruzen had to stop FTG?
Hiruzen's jutsu's shown in the manga:
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique
If you'll say that he can defeat Minato because he was said to master all jutsu's then you're just speculating because until now there is no jutsu in Konoha that can stop FTG. And by speculating, you are making him a jutsu that can stop FTG which is not a good way to support Hiruzen being stronger than Minato.
Prime or not, there is no jutsu in his arsenal that we have seen so far (FACT) that can defeat FTG. What jutsu do you think that Hiruzen had to stop FTG?
Hiruzen's jutsu's shown in the manga:
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique
If you'll say that he can defeat Minato because he was said to master all jutsu's then you're just speculating because until now there is no jutsu in Konoha that can stop FTG. And by speculating, you are making him a jutsu that can stop FTG which is not a good way to support Hiruzen being stronger than Minato.
Lol calm down its just my opinion, you want us to agree that hiruzen is the strongest hokage but there is no proof for some of us to agree with that, maybe until kishi show how strong he was in his prime in the manga.
Oh yeah, cause Minato killed so many great ninja with FTG..............3 tomoe Tobi for example...............
Stop putting FTG on the same damn level as creation of all things or Izanagi or some sh*t. The move is not a flippin unbeatable, all conquering move for goodness sake.
Nothing to counter FTG??! , Firstly unlike tobi he has FULL knowledge of it..
2ndly killerbee countered ftg with a kunai and common battle sense.. and killerbee is no genius..
Hiruzen has his shruiken shadow clone jutsu... and MANY times in the manga it has been shown that kunai can be blocked or thrown off trajectory by simply throwing another kunai at it....
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Dont go near the kunai on the ground, he isnt that stupid..
It may not be unbeatable but do you know of someone defeated it? It may not also be as good as creation of all things or Izanagi but it is very effective in battle. In a battle, the winner can't be determined by just looking at techs being so powerful but rather how a tech can be used effectively and Minato proved that already in the 3rd shinobi war. If we'll do simple math, then the average time he needs to defeat those 50 shinobi's is 6-8 millisecond. That's 6-8/1000 of a second.
Every powerful jutsu's consumes a great amount of chakra and I know that you know that. Now, name one powerful jutsu that can penetrate Minato S/T techs? Think this way...if Kurama was 100 times bigger than a human (which I doubt) and it costs Minato 50% of his chakra (just assuming) to teleport Kurama, then he can teleport a human 200 times!! How many times can a shinobi used powerful jutsu until he runs out of chakra? 100x? 200x? I don't think so. This is how I look every battle because Minato had the advantage in terms of speed, chakra consumption, intelligence, and techs.
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You say Hashirama has shown feats but he hasn't shown anything. He is still all hype.
based on this,....
Tobirama was undoubtedly an immensely powerful shinobi. He was hailed as one of the most powerful shinobi of his era[2] and was also the creator of the Summoning: Impure World Resurrection technique; however, some time after its creation he labelled it as a kinjutsu and never mastered it himself, though he did use it enough for it to be recognised by other Kage.[3] By simply touching the ground with his index finger, he could detect the presence and number of enemy shinobi.[4]. According to Minato Namikaze, Tobirama was also very skilled in Space–Time Ninjutsu.Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This amongst other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[6]He is also shown to have great physical prowess and a considerable amount of skill in the area of taijutsu, as well as good teamwork with his elder brother, Hashirama Senju.
if minato tried that he would have gotten stabbed in the heart or throat or something .. and what? minato had intention to kill and was moving in for it untill the kunai was pressed against his stomach... then he had a talk with them..
hashirama > every other hokage until proven with solid facts, not some bs assumption based off of wat iruka has said . hiruzens prime has never been shown so you can not say hes the strongest hokage .
the granny toads and tsunade thought naruto had surpassed minato and jiraiya wen he defeated pain .. but did he really ? of course not . so until weve actually seen something of hiruzens prime, no he is not the strongest
the granny toads and tsunade thought naruto had surpassed minato and jiraiya wen he defeated pain .. but did he really ? of course not . so until weve actually seen something of hiruzens prime, no he is not the strongest
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Good Post. For The Most Part Though, Everything Is Only Speculative; The Main Reason For That Being That Little If Anything Has Been Shown Concerning Either Hiruzen's Power In His Prime, Tobirama's Power, Or Even Hashirama's.
The Problem For Most People, In My Opinion, Is How To Successfully Weigh Each Of Their Reputations; Hiruzen Was Known As The 'God Of Shinobi', But Hashirama Is Forever Credited With His Control Over The Tailed Beasts And Defeating The Infamous Madara Uchiha, Who Possessed The Nine-Tails During Their Last Battle. Because Little Is Known Of Hiruzen's Power In His Youth, Everyone Jumps On The Hashirama Bandwagon.
In Terms Of Hiruzen And Minato, The Fans Of The Latter Are Most Likely Soo Focused On His Body Flicker Technique That They Don't Account For Everything Else The Battle May Hold. In Their Eyes, As Soon As Minato Marks Hiruzen With His Seal, It's Over, As Far As They're Concerned. Of Course, There's Much More To It Than That; And With Hiruzen Being Referred To As The 'God Of Shinobi' During His Time, I'm Sure He'd Figure Out A Way To Deal With It - Something Minato Fans Don't Care To Think About, Or Admit, For That Matter.
Regrettably, With Nothing Shown Of Hiruzen's Feats In The Past, While More Of Minato And A Bit Of Hashirama's Pasts Were Expanded Upon, Until Kishimoto Provides Us With A Flashback Of Hiruzen's Strength In His Prime, There Will Be An Endless Amount Of People Who View Hashirama/Minato As Being Greater Than Hiruzen, Power-Wise.
The Problem For Most People, In My Opinion, Is How To Successfully Weigh Each Of Their Reputations; Hiruzen Was Known As The 'God Of Shinobi', But Hashirama Is Forever Credited With His Control Over The Tailed Beasts And Defeating The Infamous Madara Uchiha, Who Possessed The Nine-Tails During Their Last Battle. Because Little Is Known Of Hiruzen's Power In His Youth, Everyone Jumps On The Hashirama Bandwagon.
In Terms Of Hiruzen And Minato, The Fans Of The Latter Are Most Likely Soo Focused On His Body Flicker Technique That They Don't Account For Everything Else The Battle May Hold. In Their Eyes, As Soon As Minato Marks Hiruzen With His Seal, It's Over, As Far As They're Concerned. Of Course, There's Much More To It Than That; And With Hiruzen Being Referred To As The 'God Of Shinobi' During His Time, I'm Sure He'd Figure Out A Way To Deal With It - Something Minato Fans Don't Care To Think About, Or Admit, For That Matter.
Regrettably, With Nothing Shown Of Hiruzen's Feats In The Past, While More Of Minato And A Bit Of Hashirama's Pasts Were Expanded Upon, Until Kishimoto Provides Us With A Flashback Of Hiruzen's Strength In His Prime, There Will Be An Endless Amount Of People Who View Hashirama/Minato As Being Greater Than Hiruzen, Power-Wise.
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