Clearing up the confusion on who the strongest Hokage is......

[ajpn920]

if minato tried that he would have gotten stabbed in the heart or throat or something .. and what? minato had intention to kill and was moving in for it untill the kunai was pressed against his stomach... then he had a talk with them..

What are you talking about? how can he get stabbed when his above Bee? Look at the chapter again. Minato doesn't have the intent to kill. You know that the mark is on Bee right? Minato can be infront of him in no time if he wanted to. FtG is instantaneous and if bee tried to stab him, he will cocked first then stab and it will take time.

Minato can do what he did with Tobi. You can't tell if he will appear behind you, infront, or above you. In Kakashi gaiden, he was able to defeat 50 men in a blink of an eye. Doing simple math, the average time for him to kill each shinobi is 6-8 millisecond. This is 6-8/1000 of a second we're talking about. If he really had the intent to kill then theres no way for Bee to counter the attack.

 

[Ryuu..]

Well, the main thing here is that Minato is 3rd strongest hokage at best. I'm swaying between him and Tobirama at the moment.

 

[siyo]

Honestly, I don't realy see the confusion. Who is the only guy who was called the strongests Hokage of all time?

If we just followed the manga a lot of these topics wouldn't exist.

 

[ajpn920]

Honestly, I don't realy see the confusion. Who is the only guy who was called the strongests Hokage of all time?

If we just followed the manga a lot of these topics wouldn't exist.

You mean the strongest shinobi at his time? If we can remember the shinobi that was called unsurpassable by a Kage then it weights a lot, right?

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

Why do people go off the unrealiably manga statements from characters and not by skills? Hiruzen- "god of shinobi" "strongest hokage of konoha" but then in the latest chapter it states that Hashiramas strength was like a myth like the Rikudo Sennin. Jiriaya also states that "everybody paled in comparison to the fourth lord".

What i'm trying to get you guys to understand is the manga statements contradict themselves all the time so people can not go by titles and statements. The biggest statement in the manga that proves this, is when itachi states that even Kisame and himself could not defeat Jiraiya when you know that is obviously not true.

My order in strongest hokages BY WHAT I HAVE SEEN, Hashirama>Minato>Hiruzen

 

[Ryuu..]

The confusion is that Minato > Hashirama or Minato > Hiruzen (PRIME)

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

The confusion is that Minato > Hashirama or Minato > Hiruzen (PRIME)

What exactly is Hiruzen prime? What are his abilities in his prime?

 

[Ryuu..]

What exactly is Hiruzen prime? What are his abilities in his prime?

The same as his old appearance but he's stronger, faster, and has an even insaner chakra reserve. He fought of Oro and the two former kages at age 69 for goodness sake.

Not to mention the praise he's got from other characters. Tell me who's ever said Minato was the greatest Hokage, or even better than the 3rd?

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

The same as his old appearance but he's stronger, faster, and has an even insaner chakra reserve. He fought of Oro and the two former kages at age 69 for goodness sake.

Not to mention the praise he's got from other characters. Tell me who's ever said Minato was the greatest Hokage, or even better than the 3rd?

Exactly, we dont really know anything about his "prime". Until the manga shows more I can't put him above the other hokages. I would be glad to put him in front of the fourth and the first if they showed more about the 3rd.

Did you read my first post above? I gave you examples that show statements about how beast every Hokage was. Unfortunately though, people go off statements and not from WHAT WE HAVE SEEN. I will repeat the quote Jiraiya states, "Everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord". There you go.

 

[Ryuu..]

Exactly, we dont really know anything about his "prime". Until the manga shows more I can't put him above the other hokages. I would be glad to put him in front of the fourth and the first if they showed more about the 3rd.

Did you read my first post above? I gave you examples that show statements about how beast every Hokage was. Unfortunately though, people go off statements and not from WHAT WE HAVE SEEN. I will repeat the quote Jiraiya states, "Everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord". There you go.

HA!

The third would give Minato a struggle at age 69 alone. He knew all jutsu in konoha. Or do you believe FTG and Rasengan > All jutsu in Konoha?

It seems you are one of the people who are unable to use their own logic and is only intelligent enough to go by what you've 'seen'. You have a brain, try using it.

"Everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord" - Oh yes because Minato killed a Tobi who only had a 3 tomoe sharingan.................

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

HA!

The third would give Minato a struggle at age 69 alone. He knew all jutsu in konoha. Or do you believe FTG and Rasengan > All jutsu in Konoha?

It seems you are one of the people who are unable to use their own logic and is only intelligent enough to go by what you've 'seen'. You have a brain, try using it.

"Everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord" - Oh yes because Minato killed a Tobi who only had a 3 tomoe sharingan.................

Maybe a little bit of a struggle, old 3rd hokage was not that impressive. The tobi with a 3 tomoe sharingan has hardly been touched/defeated either. You are a fool if you are trying to say Tobi is weak.

What i'm trying to say, is to not go off unrealiable statements in the manga. Use your eyes for once, I gave you a list of statements for every hokage, not just the 3rd.

 

[Ryuu..]

Maybe a little bit of a struggle, old 3rd hokage was not that impressive. The tobi with a 3 tomoe sharingan has hardly been touched/defeated either. You are a fool if you are trying to say Tobi is weak.

What i'm trying to say, is to not go off unrealiable statements in the manga. Use your eyes for once, I gave you a list of statements for every hokage, not just the 3rd.

Statements from Iruka and Kabuto are unreliable? But Jiraiya's is reliable? Clown.

 

[enditallsin]

sarutobi has even praised minato on a few occasions so i do see what the confusion is all about....

 

[Ryuu..]

sarutobi has even praised minato on a few occasions so i do see what the confusion is all about....

Sarutobi? Show me where Hiruzen said Minato is better than his prime.

 

[Retsu]

HA!

The third would give Minato a struggle at age 69 alone. He knew all jutsu in konoha. Or do you believe FTG and Rasengan > All jutsu in Konoha?

It seems you are one of the people who are unable to use their own logic and is only intelligent enough to go by what you've 'seen'. You have a brain, try using it.

"Everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord" - Oh yes because Minato killed a Tobi who only had a 3 tomoe sharingan.................

I highly doubt that, third was a bystander during the tobi/kyuubi crises, and got hammered by orochiboy, not saying during his prime he sux, but your opinion is clearly biased, ftg counters out 95% of most jutsu's, so even if he had 1000, only a few dozen could actually help him.

 

[Minator93]

You really need to re-think about Old-age and Prime

Look at Oonoki...when he was young he got his ass-owned by EMS Madara

And now he is holding his own against EDO-EMS-RINNEGAN-HASHI INFECTED-INFINTE CHAKRA-REGENRATION-Madara.

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

Statements from Iruka and Kabuto are unreliable? But Jiraiya's is reliable? Clown.

Sigh, what i'm saying is do not go off statements and go off what you have seen! I have proved your points to be complete and utter nonsense. Hence you trying to say Tobi is weak. I'm done, goodday sir.

 

[Draegod]

Fyi for the noobs, saru was said to be the strongest hokage (fact), and the senju brothers the best shinobi (fact).. There is a difference...

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You really need to re-think about Old-age and Prime

Look at Oonoki...when he was young he got his ass-owned by EMS Madara

And now he is holding his own against EDO-EMS-RINNEGAN-HASHI INFECTED-INFINTE CHAKRA-REGENRATION-Madara.

that was young onooki he at the same age like naruto i believe that time, not to mention muu is still alive that's mean he's not yet a kage,

think before stated something U_U

 

[Ryuu..]

I highly doubt that, third was a bystander during the tobi/kyuubi crises, and got hammered by orochiboy, not saying during his prime he sux, but your opinion is clearly biased, ftg counters out 95% of most jutsu's, so even if he had 1000, only a few dozen could actually help him.

He got hammered even though he sealed away to two former Kage and took away Oro's jutsu? Clown.
FTG counters 95%? That's the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Minato needs to put seals on things. Tobi had no knowledge of this. Hiruzen did have knowledge of this, he wouldn't be dumb enough to go near a seal. Minato has to throw his Kunai if he wants to do FTG v2; easily countered by Hiruzen shadow clone shuriken.

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It's funny you say i'm biased but you've failed to talk about how Minato could possibly counter Hiruzen's 1000's of jutsu........................