The Theory of YIN YANG. How it is used in Naruto

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I’ve been thinking lately about YIN YANG. I have a thread about FTG being a YIN YANG and others don’t agree with this, so I decided to make this thread to express my opinion and what I know about YIN YANG. So, what is YIN YANG?

Yin-Yang represents the ancient Chinese understanding of how things work. The outer circle represents "everything", while the black and white shapes within the circle represent the interaction of two energies, called "yin" (black) and "yang" (white), which cause everything to happen. They are not completely black or white, just as things in life are not completely black or white, and they cannot exist without each other.

It’s very clear that Kishi uses this philosophy to a different way. He uses it as an ELEMENT present in a person’s chakra. It’s not the same as in the Chinese philosophy because the Chinese believes that YIN and YANG cannot exists without the other because they needed each other to form life. A perfect example in real life is the human being.

In Naruto, the Sage uses his imaginationand spiritual energy to form the basis of YIN power which he then used to create form from nothingness. He administered vitalityand physical energy to form the basis of YANG power and used it to breath life into the form he created or make the form real, thus creating the tailed beasts. Tobi here described YIN YANG as an elemental power.



To produce a chakra one must mould physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī) gained from exercise and experience.

Chakra = physical energy + spiritual energy= basis of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, dojutsu

Every ninja has a natural affinity. By using a special paper, one can determine the affinity that he/she is skilled at but it does not mean that they are only limited to one affinity because they have the capacity to create elemental chakra apart from their own affinity by changing the physical properties of chakra. It’s possible that a ninja of high calibre can use all elements including YIN YANG because these elements are present in a chakra.

The question is, is it that simple? No! YIN YANG = imagination + spiritual energy + vitality + physical energy moulded together to form a NINJUTSU. This formula is based on how the Sage uses YIN YANG element to form a ninjutsu.

NOTE: Izanagi was originally a jutsu used by the Sage to create life. In here, Tobi used it differently but the concept is the same. Tobi uses Izanagi to connect illusion and reality. The Sage uses form and give life to it. It is clear that YIN YANG can also be imagination, illusion, etc + spiritual energy + vitality, etc + physical energy. It depends on how the user wants it to be used.

Is it possible for someone other than the sage to be able to use YIN YANG? Yes. YIN YANG is not KKG which is special to a certain clan. Yamato here mentioned the quality control of YIN and YANG



Yin and Yang deals with changing the ratio of spiritual and physical energies within chakra. A good example I can think of is the Tailed Beast Bomb where the user can change the ratio of the chakra, but is it the same as how it was described by TOBI? We’ll see....



It was said in that the tailed beast chakra consists of positive and negative chakra. It was not said being YIN and YANG or Physical energy and Spiritual energy. Tailed beasts are living forms of chakra, so it’s different from a chakra of a human because a human’s chakra consists of physical energy and spiritual energy. Tailed beasts does not have spiritual energy(i.e soul) or even physical energy. They can’t die. Human’s die without a soul or body. In short, we needed both to live. Tailed Beasts are living forms of chakra. They are nothing but chakra.

Since TBB is formed by changing the ratio of the positive and negative chakra, can we call it a YIN YANG technique? I don’t think so. YIN YANG technique is formed by using 4 components, imagination + spiritual energy + vitality + physical energy.

It was said that Yin and Yang is the source of non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu.

Why do you think that YIN YANG is the source of Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu? It’s simple. These techniques can't be categorized under Shape Transformation or the basic 5 elements of Nature Transformation.

Shape Transformation deals with controlling the form, movement, and potency of chakra.

Nature Transformation usually deals with changing the physical properties of chakra into an element.


Conclusion: Everyone is capable of using YIN YANG because it is an element present in a chakra or a chakra nature but the technique depends on the mastery of the user to form YIN release and Yang release. YIN YANG might be the hardest element to form.

Now, where will we put FTG or space-time techniques? Is it possible that it is a YIN YANG type of technique? For me yes, how about you?
 
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Sigh. You said yourself that yin yang is imagination+spiritual energy + vitality + physical energy. How does ftg comes under these attributes? Ftg requires vitality? Or imagination? Can you explain? Well i commend you for giving us a explanation of yin yang but not stating how it relate to ftg.
 

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Sigh. You said yourself that yin yang is imagination+spiritual energy + vitality + physical energy. How does ftg comes under these attributes? Ftg requires vitality? Or imagination? Can you explain? Well i commend you for giving us a explanation of yin yang but not stating how it relate to ftg.

Like Izanagi where illusion becomes a reality, for me teleportation can be considered imagination to reality. Teleportation bends time and space. Bending time and space is impossible but they made in real. As I've said, it could be a YIN YANG type of technique.
 

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Like Izanagi where illusion becomes a reality, for me teleportation can be considered imagination to reality. Teleportation bends time and space. Bending time and space is impossible but they made in real. As I've said, it could be a YIN YANG type of technique.

izanagi is turning reality into imaginatn and it requires vitality that is why danzo has hashirama cell (yang) which is full of vitality and sharingan full of spiritual energy (yin) And how does minato turn reality into imagination or imagination into reality? Space time is just moving from 1 place to another. If minato is wounded he can't imagine himself not wounded and become unwounded. He can't turn his imagination into reality and vice-versa.
 

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izanagi is turning reality into imaginatn and it requires vitality that is why danzo has hashirama cell (yang) which is full of vitality and sharingan full of spiritual energy (yin) And how does minato turn reality into imagination or imagination into reality? Space time is just moving from 1 place to another. If minato is wounded he can't imagine himself not wounded and become unwounded. He can't turn his imagination into reality and vice-versa.

By your logic, YIN YANG element can only produce one technique and that technique requires senju and uchiha dna? I don't look at it that way. FTG I believe is a YIN YANG based technique. The difference is Minato can't give life to a form but can rather bend time and space. As I've said, the technique depends on the mastery of using YIN release and YANG release. Bending space and time is not a technique everyone can do. It is impossible to bend time and space but Minato, Tobi, and Tobirama made it real.
 

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Summoning is space time too and can be done by almost everybody and edo tensei is space time.
 

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Summoning is space time too and can be done by almost everybody and edo tensei is space time.

Yes. Summoning is a space-time tech but a user can only summon if he/she has a contract with a specie. No contract means no summon. A contract with a specie is needed to do summoning.

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As I've said, everyone is capable of using all elements since elements are present in a chakra but it is very difficult to master all.
 
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Yes. Summoning is a space-time tech but a user can only summon if he/she has a contract with a specie. No contract means no summon. A contract with a specie is needed to do summoning.

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what does this have to do w/ what i'm saying? You=> tobi,tobirama and minato can bend space and time and you say it's impossible.
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a summoner bend space and time too meaning it's possible to bend space and time w/o yin and yang.
 

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I’ve been thinking lately about YIN YANG. I have a thread about FTG being a YIN YANG and others don’t agree with this, so I decided to make this thread to express my opinion and what I know about YIN YANG. So, what is YIN YANG?

Yin-Yang represents the ancient Chinese understanding of how things work. The outer circle represents "everything", while the black and white shapes within the circle represent the interaction of two energies, called "yin" (black) and "yang" (white), which cause everything to happen. They are not completely black or white, just as things in life are not completely black or white, and they cannot exist without each other.

It’s very clear that Kishi uses this philosophy to a different way. He uses it as an ELEMENT present in a person’s chakra. It’s not the same as in the Chinese philosophy because the Chinese believes that YIN and YANG cannot exists without the other because they needed each other to form life. A perfect example in real life is the human being.

In Naruto, the Sage uses his imaginationand spiritual energy to form the basis of YIN power which he then used to create form from nothingness. He administered vitalityand physical energy to form the basis of YANG power and used it to breath life into the form he created or make the form real, thus creating the tailed beasts. Tobi here described YIN YANG as an elemental power.



To produce a chakra one must mould physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī) gained from exercise and experience.

Chakra = physical energy + spiritual energy= basis of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, dojutsu

Every ninja has a natural affinity. By using a special paper, one can determine the affinity that he/she is skilled at but it does not mean that they are only limited to one affinity because they have the capacity to create elemental chakra apart from their own affinity by changing the physical properties of chakra. It’s possible that a ninja of high calibre can use all elements including YIN YANG because these elements are present in a chakra.

The question is, is it that simple? No! YIN YANG = imagination + spiritual energy + vitality + physical energy moulded together to form a NINJUTSU. This formula is based on how the Sage uses YIN YANG element to form a ninjutsu.

Is it possible for someone other than the sage to be able to use YIN YANG? Yes. YIN YANG is not KKG which is special to a certain clan. Yamato here mentioned the quality control of YIN and YANG



Yin and Yang deals with changing the ratio of spiritual and physical energies within chakra. A good example I can think of is the Tailed Beast Bomb where the user can change the ratio of the chakra, but is it the same as how it was described by TOBI? We’ll see....



It was said in that the tailed beast chakra consists of positive and negative chakra. It was not said being YIN and YANG or Physical energy and Spiritual energy. Tailed beasts are living forms of chakra, so it’s different from a chakra of a human because a human’s chakra consists of physical energy and spiritual energy. Tailed beasts does not have spiritual energy(i.e soul) or even physical energy. They can’t die. Human’s die without a soul or body. In short, we needed both to live. Tailed Beasts are living forms of chakra. They are nothing but chakra.

Since TBB is formed by changing the ratio of the positive and negative chakra, can we call it a YIN YANG technique? I don’t think so. YIN YANG technique is formed by using 4 components, imagination + spiritual energy + vitality + physical energy.

It was said that Yin and Yang is the source of non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu.

This is what I was trying to tell you before... so saying Minato 'mastered' Yin-Yang Release because he created a jutsu is wrong.

Why do you think that YIN YANG is the source of Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu? It’s simple. These techniques can't be categorized under Shape Transformation or the basic 5 elements of Nature Transformation.

Shape Transformation deals with controlling the form, movement, and potency of chakra.

Nature Transformation usually deals with changing the physical properties of chakra into an element.

Conclusion: Everyone is capable of using YIN YANG because it is an element present in a chakra or a chakra nature but the technique depends on the mastery of the user to form YIN release and Yang release. YIN YANG might be the hardest element to form.

Now, where will we put FTG or space-time techniques? Is it possible that it is a YIN YANG type of technique? For me yes, how about you?

Do you realise how many Space time users there are? Even ten ten is a space time user. would you say she can use Yin-Yang Release? Yin = Spiritual Energy, Yang = Physical Energy, Yin Release = Spiritual Energy that governs imagination, Yang Release = Physical Energy that governs Vitality. FTG doesn't fall into Yin or Yang Release.
FTG shouldn't be put in a catergory, but if you had to put FTG in a either shape or nature transformation it would much much more likely be shape transformation.

Shape transformation: It involves changing the form and movement of chakra, determining the size, range, and purpose of a technique.

FTG does involve changing the form and movement of chakra, determining the size, range and purpose of the technique. Does it not?
 

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what does this have to do w/ what i'm saying? You=> tobi,tobirama and minato can bend space and time and you say it's impossible.
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a summoner bend space and time too meaning it's possible to bend space and time w/o yin and yang.

The technique is a space-time tech but I just pointed out that they needed a contract with a specie to be able to summon. Let's say, if Jiraiya can summon gamabunta, can he summon Manda? he can't right, but he can do summoning. They are only limited to the specie they have a contract with. To summon means to call or to request someone to appear. Because of the contract, they can call a specie. It is different with FTG because the user itself can be in different places in a just a fraction of a second.

They maybe related but they are not the same with Teleportation technique. One look from it and you can tell the difference. Anyway, it's possible for a summoner to have YIN YANG because YIN YANG is an element present in their chakra.
 

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The technique is a space-time tech but I just pointed out that they needed a contract with a specie to be able to summon. Let's say, if Jiraiya can summon gamabunta, can he summon Manda? he can't right, but he can do summoning. They are only limited to the specie they have a contract with. To summon means to call or to request someone to appear. Because of the contract, they can call a specie. It is different with FTG because the user itself can be in different places in a just a fraction of a second.

They maybe related but they are not the same with Teleportation technique. One look from it and you can tell the difference. Anyway, it's possible for a summoner to have YIN YANG because YIN YANG is an element present in their chakra.

*facepalm* you need to check what you stated again. Anyway according to the manga danzo,so6p,tobi,nagato,madara are the only 1 that master yin yang. You can believe whatever you want.
 

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This is what I was trying to tell you before... so saying Minato 'mastered' Yin-Yang Release because he created a jutsu is wrong.



Do you realise how many Space time users there are? Even ten ten is a space time user. would you say she can use Yin-Yang Release? Yin = Spiritual Energy, Yang = Physical Energy, Yin Release = Spiritual Energy that governs imagination, Yang Release = Physical Energy that governs Vitality. FTG doesn't fall into Yin or Yang Release.
FTG shouldn't be put in a catergory, but if you had to put FTG in a either shape or nature transformation it would much much more likely be shape transformation.

Shape transformation: It involves changing the form and movement of chakra, determining the size, range, and purpose of a technique.

FTG does involve changing the form and movement of chakra, determining the size, range and purpose of the technique. Does it not?


Are you for real? FTG is a shape transformation? Is FTG and Rasengan the same? How can you say that a form and movement of chakra was changed when using FTG?

As i've pointed in the thread, the technique depends on the mastery of the user. How many technique can a ninja create when he has fire element? Many right? many techs can be formed in a single element but the technique depends on the mastery of the user.

What's the problem if there are many that can summon? I said that anyone can have YIN YANG..If you can tell the difference between FTG and summoning then it will be a lot of help.
 

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*facepalm* you need to check what you stated again. Anyway according to the manga danzo,so6p,tobi,nagato,madara are the only 1 that master yin yang. You can believe whatever you want.

reference please...the link where it says only danzo,so6p,tobi,nagato,madara are the only 1 that master yin yang...it would be a lot of help
 
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