What you think about this weeks chapter?

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Title says it. What'd you guys think?

So at the end we meet someone named Ivan who appears to be an Arrancar O.O

Where did he come from? What happened to Ryuunosuke and Shino? Weird weird



And was it just me or did anyone else find this page visually pleasing?

Seeing all 4 of them together for once was cool :D
Even Inoue looked like she was ready to open a can o' whoop ass lol :p
 
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disapointment i think it sucked and will continue to suck

my bad thought this was about narutos chapter lol


um it was ok leading to something new so i like that

i just dont know what they are going to do for a bad guy since itchigo is wicked strong now
 

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well I had forgotten about reading it so thanks :D

people in rukongai vanishing?
doesn't that remind of hogyoku?
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um it was ok leading to something new so i like that

i just dont know what they are going to do for a bad guy since itchigo is wicked strong now
Yeah but it's not like Ichigo still has his FGT. So that's a relief.

Right now he's about as strong as the Captains so the power scales aren't completely out of wack. It's because he has massive reiatsu but he's more of a street-type fighter. As opposed to the Gotei 13 Captains who have genuine fighting experience and training in different fields which in a way makes them stronger than Ichigo.

Anywho, of course this is assuming he doesn't have his pre-FGT form (the one where he could blow apart mountains)

Plus, the fact that all the Gotei Captains and Lieutenants have been training for over a year while Ichigo's been going to school evens out the score too xd


sasuke manga meh cant believe we left Naruto vs tobi for that
Wrong section bud
 
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I think it was a good chapter, at least we learned that Hyiori is in good condition (well from looks of that scene only maybe for now :D ).

Ichigo is still a character who can be badass as hell and a truly human being in one page :D, i especially liked his chit-chat with "shut-upping" Ishida :ghehe:

To Ivan...he's Arrancar all right, but since he has almost none of the original Hollow mask i suspect him to be a Vasto Lorde...a true Vasto Lorde, not like the ones Aizen made with the help of Hogyoku...i mean that this VL had natural evolution.
 

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I think it was a good chapter, at least we learned that Hyiori is in good condition (well from looks of that scene only maybe for now :D ).

Ichigo is still a character who can be badass as hell and a truly human being in one page :D, i especially liked his chit-chat with "shut-upping" Ishida :ghehe:

To Ivan...he's Arrancar all right, but since he has almost none of the original Hollow mask i suspect him to be a Vasto Lorde...a true Vasto Lorde, not like the ones Aizen made with the help of Hogyoku...i mean that this VL had natural evolution.
nice theory, but Staark was a true vasto lorde without a doubt, Possibly ulquiorra as well
 

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nice theory, but Staark was a true vasto lorde without a doubt, Possibly ulquiorra as well
There's really no absolute proof that any of the Espada were true Vasto Lorde. The only thing close to evidence for any of them would be Ulquiorra because of his horns but aside from that Kubo didn't really go into it
 

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you mean the:

- i want some bread
-i want too
-no i want
-no i do
-where the hell did the other bitch go
-we ran out of colas
-let me intro duce myself...my name is ivan here is my card with email, my phone etc.
-you little shit get off that bed!!

i dont mean that its not leading to bleach's ressurection from its fullbring death but....
 

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Id say i've followed the series fairly well but could someone please explain to me WTF a Vasto Lorde is?
There are 3 types of Menos Grande:
-Gillian: The tall black mindless Hollow
-Adjuchas: Smaller in size and vary in appearance, but much stronger than Gillians
-Vasto Lorde: Humanoid in size and appearance and have 2 horns (think of Ulquiorra). The strongest type of Hollow who, by word of mouth (via Hitsugaya), are capable of matching Shinigami Captains in strength.

Most of the Espada we saw were either ex-Gillian or ex-Adjuchas Arrancars.





The only one of the Espada who even remotely resembled a Vasto Lorde was Ulquiorra. Not even Stark, Barragan or Halibel resembled anything or VLs
 

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Yeah but it's not like Ichigo still has his FGT. So that's a relief.

Right now he's about as strong as the Captains so the power scales aren't completely out of wac
k. It's because he has massive reiatsu but he's more of a street-type fighter. As opposed to the Gotei 13 Captains who have genuine fighting experience and training in different fields which in a way makes them stronger than Ichigo.
What? Who said so? Because, he was on a captains level when he first went to seretie to save Rukia.... one of the captains, himself, said that...

Now, he is way stronger than a captain... at least the ones from before
ichigo lost his power...

As of now, He probably is a bit stronger since he was able to beat Ginjo who had a bankai and hollow power
 

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A sole pressure from his blade was mistaken for Getsuga Tensho in fight with Ginjo, and a real Getsuga took building like a knife cutting through butter...nuff said :ichigo:
 

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that IVAN guy seemed like an Arrancar...i wont mind quincys as the last opponents...in fact i was hoping for that...whatever the reason is the way they were wiped out that was not right...as we know that spirits who have some sort of attachment to the material world become hollows at some point and quincys had some real attachment issue and that is revenge...i think some quincy has become arrancars...possibly vasto lordes and now they possess both quincy and arrancar powers...Yamamoto did say that Ichigo changed the perception of the soul society in the fullbringer arc...the rules of the soul society are made to serve the soul king...and i think the final villain might turn out to be the soul king...because it seems only the royal guards would be able to bring out the bankais of yamamoto unohana kyoraku and ukitake and urahara...and we should keep in mind that uruyu although not a proper quincy still was able to fight off a captain...so his father could be much more powerful one to challange any captains
 

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that IVAN guy seemed like an Arrancar...i wont mind quincys as the last opponents...in fact i was hoping for that...whatever the reason is the way they were wiped out that was not right...as we know that spirits who have some sort of attachment to the material world become hollows at some point and quincys had some real attachment issue and that is revenge...i think some quincy has become arrancars...possibly vasto lordes and now they possess both quincy and arrancar powers...Yamamoto did say that Ichigo changed the perception of the soul society in the fullbringer arc...the rules of the soul society are made to serve the soul king...and i think the final villain might turn out to be the soul king...because it seems only the royal guards would be able to bring out the bankais of yamamoto unohana kyoraku and ukitake and urahara...and we should keep in mind that uruyu although not a proper quincy still was able to fight off a captain...so his father could be much more powerful one to challange any captains
Nice input and welcome to NB :)


What? Who said so? Because, he was on a captains level when he first went to seretie to save Rukia.... one of the captains, himself, said that...

Now, he is way stronger than a captain... at least the ones from before
ichigo lost his power...

As of now, He probably is a bit stronger since he was able to beat Ginjo who had a bankai and hollow power
You're not seeing what I'm trying to say

Like I said, Ichigo has the reiatsu to overwhelm most people in Bleach, but he doesn't have the type of training that the Gotei 13 have

To compare in practical terms, Ichigo is like a street-type fighter. He's nearly self-taught and quite good might I add. But he lacks the techniques, precision, and efficiency that the elites of Soul Society have. The Gotei 13 Captains are like professionally trained and polished fighters

Ichigo had to go balls out against Grimmjow. He needed his Mask, Bankai and Inoue's damn tears to defeat him. But when Kenpachi came he easily finished his battles after he stopped goofing around. Ichigo even defeated Kenpachi in their first bout. This in itself shows that Captains are still getting stronger and are a step ahead of Ichigo. As far as the Gotei 13 is concerned, even if Ichigo is powerful he is still a growing rookie

If Ichigo were to go up against Byakuya he would likely tie or even lose. It's not all about brute reiatsu. It's not like DBZ where their Power Level (seriously, a single dumb number) defines their entire fighting potential. In Bleach, there are other things that factor into who can beat who

Examples:
-Ichigo has no knowledge of Kido, let alone be able to counter Kido. Had Ichigo gone up against Zommari instead of Byakuya he would have surely lost
-Ichigo has little experience/training in hand-to-hand combat and close-quarter techniques. If he goes up against Yoruichi or even Soi Fong he would lose



Just because Ichigo has a lot of reiatsu (nearly twice more than an average Captain according to Unohana) doesn't automatically mean he can beat everyone else. Sheer reiatsu doesn't define overall prowess and/or strength. It's about being able to harness your reiatsu effectively and incorporate them into your attacks and fighting techniques

Again, like I said initially, this is assuming Ichigo doesn't still have his pre-FGT form, which was stupidly ridiculous to be honest
 
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Nice input and welcome to NB :)




You're not seeing what I'm trying to say

Like I said, Ichigo has the reiatsu to overwhelm most people in Bleach, but he doesn't have the type of training that the Gotei 13 have

To compare in practical terms, Ichigo is like a street-type fighter. He's nearly self-taught and quite good might I add. But he lacks the techniques, precision, and efficiency that the elites of Soul Society have. The Gotei 13 Captains are like professionally trained and polished fighters

Ichigo had to go balls out against Grimmjow. He needed his Mask, Bankai and Inoue's damn tears to defeat him. But when Kenpachi came he easily finished his battles after he stopped goofing around. Ichigo even defeated Kenpachi in their first bout. This in itself shows that Captains are still getting stronger and are a step ahead of Ichigo. As far as the Gotei 13 is concerned, even if Ichigo is powerful he is still a growing rookie

If Ichigo were to go up against Byakuya he could likely tie or even lose. It's not all about brute reiatsu. It's not like DBZ where their Power Level (seriously, a single dumb number) defines their entire fighting potential. In Bleach, there are other things that factor into who can beat who

Examples:
-Ichigo has no knowledge of Kido, let alone be able to counter Kido. Had Ichigo gone up against Zommari instead of Byakuya he would have surely lost
-Ichigo has little experience/training in hand-to-hand combat and close-quarter techniques. If he goes up against Yoruichi or even Soi Fong he would lose



Just because Ichigo has a lot of reiatsu (nearly twice more than an average Captain according to Unohana) doesn't automatically mean he can beat everyone else. Sheer reiatsu doesn't define overall prowess and/or strength. It's about being able to harness your reiatsu effectively and incorporate them into your attacks and fighting techniques

Again, like I said initially, this is assuming Ichigo doesn't still have his pre-FGT form, which was stupidly ridiculous to be honest
i think you are right...i want to add some thoughts too...the captains are by no mean equal to each other...i think hitsugaya can give run for ichigos money at any time...and there is shunshuie according to whom it would take hitsugaya another 100 years to surpass him!!!...and there is yamamoto whose only shikai had the power to destroy the fake karakura plus the barrier plus the orginal town plus some more (as told by Aizen when wonderwiss was going to burst and release the flame of ryujin jakka)...yamamoto was defeated by aizen's strategy and by his own zanpaktu's power...then there is ichigos father who without even his shikai fought against aizen...no where in the story its been said that ichigo is the most powerful...there are much more powerful people then him...there is urahara who can effortlessly combine and use level 90 kidous...what if kenpachi got his bankai now???...that would be devastating...i can remember aizen once told ichigo at the rooftop after yamamotos defeat that all his fights against the captains were preplanned...he planned his wins!!!...why did the captain lost back then?...because they were overconfident...they didnot take ichigo as much of a threat...and they lost although both kenpachi and byakuya were standing after the fight...ichigo is very powerful and very powerful indeed and his powers are rising...he needed very few time to reach that high level...because he is part hollow part shinigami..he would become strong enough to challenge anyone oneday...but not yet...infact i personally think that ichigo is an abomination...i dont think soul king would have approved someone like him to born who would have the power to challenge him one day...i think thats why ichigos dad had to let go of his own power...infact i think he is absconding...he fall in love with ichigos mother and let go of his power to marry her...if rukias tranferring of power is punishable by death than i think the birth of ichigo...a half human and shinigami is a crime too in the eye of soul king...the final faceoff would be between the soul king and ichigo i think...but he has a long way to go still...
 

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There are 3 types of Menos Grande:
-Gillian: The tall black mindless Hollow
-Adjuchas: Smaller in size and vary in appearance, but much stronger than Gillians
-Vasto Lorde: Humanoid in size and appearance and have 2 horns (think of Ulquiorra). The strongest type of Hollow who, by word of mouth (via Hitsugaya), are capable of matching Shinigami Captains in strength.

Most of the Espada we saw were either ex-Gillian or ex-Adjuchas Arrancars.





The only one of the Espada who even remotely resembled a Vasto Lorde was Ulquiorra. Not even Stark, Barragan or Halibel resembled anything or VLs
not true, if The top 4 espada werent Vasto lorde, then we have no real idea of what one is, as far as i know, their was no picture of what a vasto lorde actually looks like, and if you ask me , Staark was without a doubt a vasto lorde since Even before becoming an arrancar, his spiritual pressure was so strong other hollows died from being near him
 

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not true, if The top 4 espada werent Vasto lorde, then we have no real idea of what one is, as far as i know, their was no picture of what a vasto lorde actually looks like, and if you ask me , Staark was without a doubt a vasto lorde since Even before becoming an arrancar, his spiritual pressure was so strong other hollows died from being near him
We did get an image of a Vasto Lorde. We got a silhouette of one when Hitsugaya was explaining the Menos Grande to Ichigo:


The head and horns of the VL remarkably resemble half of Ulquiorra's mask. Which follows an age old theory of mine that Ulquiorra may have been a failed Vasto Lorde Arrancar which is why he was #4 instead of #1, but anyways I digress.

None of the other Espada including the top 3 looked anything like this. Not even Tia or Barragan.

As for Stark, unless Kubo states it himself nothing is certain. Just basing Stark being a VL on the fact that other Hollows died around him isn't enough. Even Kenpachi can smother little fodder Hollows with his reiatsu. It's nothing particularly extraordinary.

Until Kubo releases some sort of Databook that clears who were and weren't VLs, it makes little sense to jump to conclusions. For all we know he may choose to reveal more of them in the upcoming arc.
 
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