Let's settle this, Itachi > Jiraiya

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Gutsy

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Alright you say Jiraiya is unable to enter SM against Itachi, well that is pure bullshit, alright Jiraiya fought of 4 different very powerful summons and one path of pein with his own summon gamaken and just a few clones. Now do you think Jiraiya won't be able to do so?

Second Orochimaru > Jiraiya? No way, Jiraiya has already been stated several times here on NB that he is surperior to Orochimaru in many ways, Jiraiya SM, Goemon, Oodoma Rasengan and much more, Orochimaru has no response as of what we know to these attacks. Orochimaru is famous for well being a real villain with Edo Tensei. Jiraiya > Orochimaru.

Now for Genjutsu: Jiraiya is capable of getting out of genjutsu (not tsukoyomi) but do you really think Jiraiya would fall for it? He is one of the most powerful shinobi in konoha and he knows of the Sharingan and some of it's powers including Amaterasu. So no he won't fall for genjutsu easily.

Amaterasu: Well yes he can't dodge it, but he can seal it, which takes about 5-10 seconds, and he is capable of reverse summon himself and then fix up himself. Also when itachi closes his eyes to use his jutsu, Jiraiya could just get out of the way, since he knows of Amaterasu: again Jiraiya won't fall for it easily.

Susano: Yes he has no response to such a strong susano, since he got the mirror and all that, but Jiraiya in SM would be fast enough to just keep away from susano and itachi, so he could just run around until Itachi would run out of chakra. Also He can sink susano with Swamp of the underworld. Itachi susano without the legendary weapons wouldn't stand against jiraiya.

Now for Genjutsu, yes it will work on Itachi, it worked on Pein, and just because your an uchiha doesn't mean it won't work, and this is probably the second most powerful genjutsu, Jiraiya with toads genjutsu will get the time to do so, and itachi in the genjutsu sound which he can't dodge, he will fall for and he will not have control over his own body which means he can't break out of it.

Stats: Jiraiya = Itachi
Hype: Jiraiya >= Itachi
Shown skills >=< Itachi (can go either way)

You can't say that itachi will defeat Jiraiya with a single jutsu, and Jiraiya knows how to counter and protect himself against his greatest weakness, plus Itachi has no real knowledge of Jiraiya's skills.

So in this case i say Jiraiya will win with High difficulty.

Jiraiya SM > Itachi

Itachi can't defeat Jiraiya SM without Susano, Jiraiya would be too fast and too powerful, we already saw that one punch could defeat one pain, also his Goemon would reduce all the pains to cinders in the matter of seconds if he didn't have the right counter. Plus Jiraiya's Oodoma Rasengan would demolish most opponents. Jiraiya is surperior in everything when he enters SM.

Counters for susano = none almost only real thread would maybe be Swmap of the underworld since it would just sink down susano and itachi. Also Jiraiya in SM would be fast enough to take on susano and dodge it (no offense)

Itachi is ill, weakened and he has very low stamina. Itachi used 3 MS jutsu one day then faced jiraiya but he retreated because of lack of stamina (well not sure my opinion but it could be different and i don't really care about this either just stating a few things)

So if this is the case it means he is capable of using about 3-4 MS moves. (just guessing)

Jiraiya wins this with high-extreme difficulty.

they are both about Equal.

Hype: Jiraiya
Most poweful moves: Itachi (not by much)
Skill set: Jiraiya (very close one)
 
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From my point of view jiraiya has changes to win too, its not that itachi pwnage, but gotta go now c ya mates later.
 

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Itachi doesnt have kotoamatsukami cause he gave it to naruto,.
Its like saying: "hey, Jiraiya doesnt have an arm, since Pain cut it off".
what i mean that if jiraiya would known pain had gods eyes he would have gone sage mode before he went to battle
I know what you mean.
Itachi thinks he dodges but the punch hits and one punch is all thats needed in sage mode to knock out.
Jiraiya cant use Frog Katas like Naruto, he cant use natural energy as extensions of his limbs.
 

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jiraiya >= itachi yeah itachi was lying and he is a good actor sprinkling water all over his face to make it more realistic lol. he cant hardly breath

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First of all, I'm a fan, and not a fanboy.

Itachi wasn't bothered by Jiraiya's presence either, but does that prove anything? No.

My main intention in creating this thread was to point out the databook flaw, among other things.
Anyway, believe what you want. You are entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is that I don't have an opinion. This is daft. You can't say anything for sure here. We've seen plenty of both characters but not much about how either would face off against one another.

I have no side in this. I don't care who'd win. IMO Tenten wins.

Also, I wasn't calling you a fanboy, I was being generic.

All we have to go on are their abilities. And in that Itachi is superior. Besides, argument you gave is meaningless considering truth about Itachi.

Or do you really believe in what Itachi said, that Jiraiya would be able to draw against at least 4 Akatsuki guys? Thats silly.

We haven't seen everything they can do. Also as I've said before, abilities wise, Naruto should have lost to almost everyone he's fought. He managed to win with guts & forethought.
There's no certainty is what I'm saying. I'm only giving an example of what was said. I personally think Itachi said that simply to avoid harming leafs battle strength.
 

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just woke up, going to my physics class now, 8 am classes :( , dont have time to go into details
but...

Anyone who thinks base mode jiraya is gonna get into sage mode and beat itachi, is high off of something


in base mode... just like oro, hes gonna get downed by a basic genjutsu...

or amaterasud


or tsukyomd....

many many choices.....
 

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Alright you say Jiraiya is unable to enter SM against Itachi, well that is pure bullshit
Itachis battle capacity >>> Animal path battle capacity. Not to mention that Itachi can take control over summon that Jiraiya would summon for cover.
Now do you think Jiraiya won't be able to do so?
If Jiraiya started this fight without SM, and Itachi went stright for the kill, nope.
he can't dodge it, but he can seal it, which takes about 5-10 seconds
You think that Jiraiya would be writing sealing formulas while burning? Thats a good one.
Besides, 5-10 seconds in enough. ->
of reverse summon himself and then fix up himself
He would enter frogs mouth while burning? I dont think it would work. Besides, since when Jiraiya is able to heal himself?
 
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Its like saying: "hey, Jiraiya doesnt have an arm, since Pain cut it off".

I know what you mean.

Jiraiya cant use Frog Katas like Naruto, he cant use natural energy as extensions of his limbs.

Kotoamatsukami doesnt belong to itachi, and he has legendary weapons still. If we want fair duel even those should be taken away =) its like i have machine gun and u have knife, which one of us is gonna win? Sagemode is only using jiraiyas own body, where did they say that jiraiya couldnt use frog kata? i totally missed that. Anyways gotta go now, c u mate.
 

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i said he can fix up himself and he got time to seal of amaterasu in toad stomach. Also he won't fall easily to any of itachi jutsu, plus genjutsu jiraiya would break.

If jiraiya is in SM no genjutsu would work on him since he got NAtural energy and toads to help him out.

Do you have any proof that Lord Fukasaku & Shima would fall for ITachi genjutsu, you can't compare toads to snakes.
 

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You cannot settle this. Kishimoto is the only one who can. There is far to much conflicting evidence on the subject to produce a clear victor.
 

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Kotoamatsukami doesnt belong to itachi, and he has legendary weapons still.
Hey, frogs also doesnt belong to Jiraiya. So no summons, no SM. :noc:
Sagemode is only using jiraiyas own body, where did they say that jiraiya couldnt use frog kata?
He never used it and his SM is imperfect. I see no reason why give it to him.
 

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i said he can fix up himself and he got time to seal of amaterasu in toad stomach. Also he won't fall easily to any of itachi jutsu, plus genjutsu jiraiya would break.

If jiraiya is in SM no genjutsu would work on him since he got NAtural energy and toads to help him out.

Do you have any proof that Lord Fukasaku & Shima would fall for ITachi genjutsu, you can't compare toads to snakes.

Ofc hed break the genjutsu :D, after he got 1 of his legs cut off......

I really hope you arent gonna sit there and tell me jiraya will perform better than oro in breaking of the genjutsu without getting a body part cut off.. when jiraya has a 3 in it, and oro has a 5....

jiraya will suffer the exact same fate as oro..but worst...

 
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Ofc hed break the genjutsu :D, after he got 1 of his legs cut off......

I really hope you arent gonna sit there and tell me jiraya will perform bertter than oro in breaking of the genjutsu without getting a body part cut off.. when jiraya has a 3 in it, and oro has a 5....

jiraya will suffer the exact same fate as oro..but worst...


'Worst' than your grammar?
 

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did you forget itachi is a ***** and cant handle pain , jiraiya can seal amaterasu , is strong with genjutsu and has loads of summons , while itachi can only control ONE , sage mode taijutsu>itachi taijutsu
sage mode punch=V1 raikage bitchslap
and jiraiyas hair can grab itachi under susanoo and ****ing pummel him into the ground or stab him
and its base jiraiya=oro not SM jiraiya=oro

the sharingan doesnt fully resist genjutsu , it enhances the ability to break it , rinnegan is in the same lineage (sourt of) and has similar skills , so could possibly have the same gernjutsu skills , based off of this itachi will struggle to endure and break frog song , jiraiya isnt stronger but is a bad match up for itachi
 

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did you forget itachi is a ***** and cant handle pain
Neither can Jiraiya.
jiraiya can seal amaterasu
Not during combat.
is strong with genjutsu
Hes not, frogs are. And Itachi is still better.
while itachi can only control ONE
Its enough, considering that Itachi can make eaither one of elder frogs on Jiraiyas arms to decapitate him.
but is a bad match up for itachi
Actually, Itachi is bad match for Jiraiya.
 

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Symbolism :
Once again, I'm saying this to people who follow this logic. Ignore this if you want.
Snake > Toad (meaning that Oro > Jiraiya)
Itachi > Oro.
Thus, Itachi >> Jiraiya.

What's your opinion?

This is hilarious whos ever logic it is lol. According to this..
since snake > toad, every one knows Toad > Slugs and Slugs > snakes
Soooo Tsunade = Itachi?

/Starts Tsunade vs Itachi thread.
 
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