A theory to support why Tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato

[ajpn920]

*Sigh* so it was you. I had a couple of people vming me talking about how some guy clearly infatuated by me decided to honour me and create a thread about my sig. Sorry to break it to you but this infatuation is one sided. Im not a girl nor am i gay., therefore its best to take your infatuation somewhere else U_U



Where do i start with this guy. Seems like alot of people have actually taken time in their life to actually argue with you and we still havent gotten far. It seems like you are clearly interested in me from constantly calling my name and quoting me at every opportunity. If you havent realised the only time ive quoted you is when you quote me. Ive never quoted you first because i just brush your posts aside. Similarly the idea of remembering my name and constantly shouting it is is rather weird. I dont even remember your username, thats how much you interest me. If i was to take my time with you on this thread, it would take me forever. Not because what youve said is great, but rather the opposite. A time comes when a post is so ridden with mistakes and fails and the op instead thinks its logical, you just have to allow them to believe what they believe.

Im actually surprised that this thread hasnt been considered a troll thread and closed tbh, therefore in order for me not to revive such a thread and instead allow it to die down, this will be my last post, after all ive learnt this from a friend;

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Those are some of the reasons. I intentionally created a thread explaining two things and id not only copy and paste the part that is relevant to this thread, id copy and paste the url aswell. Funny how the op doesnt mention the fact that tobi controlling the fox with his sharigan, the same eyes that he couldve used on minato yet he didnt. Similarly in the recent chapters, its clearly been said that controlling a tailed beasts requires absolute concentration and tobi controlling the strongest tailed beasts of all is bound to take great concentration therefore he cannot possibly use this whilst trying it at minato aswell

Now that the issue concerning minato's apparent genjutsu immunity is over. Ill explain the argument why tobi didnt use genjutsu on minato. This is basically the logic minato fans have resorted to, then again whats new U_U. Apparently because tobi didnt use genjutsu on minato, minato is immune? .

First all Tobi might be a genjutsu user but so far he hasnt shown true skill in genjutsu like other noticeable characters in battle to say the least. The only time he used genjutsu in battle was against Konan and this time he was forced to otherwise he wouldve died at the cost of an eye. He Used izanagi which casts genjutsu on the USER. He hasn't used genjutsu on another person in battle the way others have done;

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He is good at it to control Yagura and the fox, but he it clearly isnt his fighting style or he isnt skilled at it to use it in actual combat.

To those who say why didnt he use it against minato, therefore minato is immune. Ask yourself this, why did he use this against Fu and Torune, and team kakashi or are all of them immune to genjutsu aswell. Basically saying minato is immune because tobi didnt use it is basically saying team kakashi, fu and torune, bee and gai are also immune, but there is one slight problem.

Team kakashi consisted of, Kakashi, Yamato, Sai, Sakura, Hinata, Naruto, Shino, kiba;

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If they are all immune to genjutsu, since tobi didnt use, then explain this;
Sakura genjutsu;

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Sai genjutsu;

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Kakashi genjutsu;

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Naruto, lmao, do i even need to upload a pic of naruto in genjutsu U_U;

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Basically you are saying, because tobi didnt use genjutsu on minato, fu, torune, kiba, kakashi, sakura, yamato, sai, naruto, bee, gai shino they are all immune?. Come on what retarded logic is this?. Id doesnt even deserve to be labelled logic, its just retarded.

Also you could argue that the control of the 9 tails limited his use with the genjutsu. If you go back to his recent fight's its clear that the control of a tailed beasts requires alot of effort and him casting controlling the 9 tails with genjutsu obviously must have limits him the same way it does here;

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Finally every fight has an element of plot no jutsu to it. Tobi couldve killed naruto when he had him in his arms, yet he threw him in the air. If he killed naruto, then there wouldnt be a show. Similarly if he controlled minato instead of the fox, then nobody couldve stopped him. Similarly he couldve easily stalled minato the same way he did to team kakashi and not attack meaning he doesnt need to solidify therefore he stays intangible

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Please feel free to answer some questions of my post. It won't take so much of your time. Page 12 post 175 i think..

 

[ajpn920]

seriously blaze just drop it already he won't listen to you

Hey mate, if you could participate on my request, please feel free to answer those questions. It won't take long. page 12 post 175..tnx in advance

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Hey mate, if you could participate on my request, please feel free to answer those questions. It won't take long. page 12 post 175..tnx in advance

last post from me:
that post is practically the same post in the OP with some modification, and i already make my point yesterday, so i don't have any business in this thread anymoreU_U

 

[jorgelius]

u stated obvious yes its not fire neither water etc, but good/bad or both hmm let's see excuse me i skip right away to make counter idea to 9 .. i dont know about nidaime s/t skills but something about minato and tobi's: -kakashi stated in itachi pursue arch that tobi's S/T tech is far advanced that of his senseis no handseals or markings and he have dimension of his own,, that would i call creating shape from nothing.. but minato markings play huge role in his S/T techs therefore we can make a theory it just som unique form of summon, if so he don't escape anywhere from gen like tsukyomi. thanks for ur hard work as supersayan class analysing skills it was fun to think it over

 

[ajpn920]

last post from me:
that post is practically the same post in the OP with some modification, and already make my point yesterday, so i don't have any business in this thread anymoreU_U

Okay. That's your choice..U_U

u stated obvious yes its not fire neither water etc, but good/bad or both hmm let's see excuse me i skip right away to make counter idea to 9 .. i dont know about nidaime s/t skills but something about minato and tobi's: -kakashi stated in itachi pursue arch that tobi's S/T tech is far advanced that of his senseis no handseals or markings and he have dimension of his own,, that would i call creating shape from nothing.. but minato markings play huge role in his S/T techs therefore we can make a theory it just som unique form of summon, if so he don't escape anywhere from gen like tsukyomi. thanks for ur hard work as supersayan class analysing skills it was fun to think it over

it's better if you did not skip directly to #9..Tnx 4 reading..

 

[777skills]

Um. Just because Tobi's S/T jutsu is better than Minato's that doesnt make it of a different element. ASSUMING Tobi's S/T jutsu is yin/yang and that it is more advanced that doesnt not exclude Minato's S/T jutsu to be of a different element.

I think it would be help for anyone answering TS post on page 12 post 175 to answer in this format

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No. (state reason, and if possible give manga links or very specific examples (more than one of possible) of why said assumption can be definitely be assumed to be incorrect)

and so on....

 

[swingmagic]

once minato touch his enemy. that enemy will die instantly.
case closed

 

[Uchiha Leader]

Here comes another hardcore minato fan who is just too dumb to realise the true facts and pray more and more on his minato shrine. :flaw:

One true reason is tobi's fighting style, he is not a genjutsu fighter, he fights with space time ninjutsu.

Also, i agree with you that 3rd point is foolish.
And, ftg is not yin yang release, it is simply space time ninjutsu. FTG can be roughly compared with summoning jutsu, where you make a contract and teleports the persom/thing. And summoning jutsu is not yin yang release.
ALso, every technique is not necessarily any elemental or yin yang release. Where will you classify shadow clone and clone jutsus? yin yang ? xd

And and, stop showing off minato as god and disrespecting other fanboys.
Indeed minato was very powerful, hence became kage of hidden leaf village, but overrating him that much is dumb. U_U

what are you saying a shadow clone is a yang technique, naruto brought in his life into the shadow clone jutsu so it's will be classify as yang.

 

[ajpn920]

Um. Just because Tobi's S/T jutsu is better than Minato's that doesnt make it of a different element. ASSUMING Tobi's S/T jutsu is yin/yang and that it is more advanced that doesnt not exclude Minato's S/T jutsu to be of a different element.

I think it would be help for anyone answering TS post on page 12 post 175 to answer in this format

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No. (state reason, and if possible give manga links or very specific examples (more than one of possible) of why said assumption can be definitely be assumed to be incorrect)

and so on....

Tnx mate for participating. Correct me if i'm wrong but I think rasengan is the highest level of shape transformation. Since FTG is a space/time tech, then I doubt that it falls under shape transformation. If we go by difficulty level, rasengan is A-rank while FTG is S-rank. I don't think FTG would be a lower level than rasengan because if that's the case, many can master it because it does not involve nature elements but only chakra.

 

[NarutoSensei]

nice man +rep

 

[ajpn920]

nice man +rep

Thanks bro

 

[SanninCamacho]

Here comes another hardcore minato fan who is just too dumb to realise the true facts and pray more and more on his minato shrine. :flaw:

One true reason is tobi's fighting style, he is not a genjutsu fighter, he fights with space time ninjutsu.

Also, i agree with you that 3rd point is foolish.
And, ftg is not yin yang release, it is simply space time ninjutsu. FTG can be roughly compared with summoning jutsu, where you make a contract and teleports the persom/thing. And summoning jutsu is not yin yang release.
ALso, every technique is not necessarily any elemental or yin yang release. Where will you classify shadow clone and clone jutsus? yin yang ? xd

And and, stop showing off minato as god and disrespecting other fanboys.
Indeed minato was very powerful, hence became kage of hidden leaf village, but overrating him that much is dumb. U_U

FTG is not a contract like the summoning jutsu, naruto is capable of performing the jutsu

 

[Ninpou]

Hello Guys. First of all, thank you for participating in the discussion. It reaches several pages so it's good for me to know that there're enough people trying their best to give their thoughts. I may be right for some, and not for others. We are entitled to our opinion and as they say, we can't please everybody. This thread was all about HINT vs PLOT. If it turns out that the story was only a PLOTthen I congratulate each one of you in advance, but if it turns out to be a HINT, then please stop bashing every members as well as every Minato fans.

I have no intention of making this topic long, so I would like to ask a few questions. Please respect this and answer it BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW. The questions are answerable by TRUEor FALSE.

Note: If your answer is FALSE, please explain and don't proceed to the next number! Here are the questions:

1. FTG is a NINJUTSU

2. Ninjutsu uses Chakra

3. Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation are the ONLY method of manipulating chakra

4. FTG is NOTShape Transformation

5. Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water, and YIN YANG are the ONLYtype of nature elements

6. Everyone CAN'T have YIN YANG because it is ONE of the TYPE of nature elements and no one can use all types except Rinnegan user

7. FTG can't be classified as Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water

**For question 8 (Please refer to the answer from question 3 and 4 first!)**

8. FTG is Nature Transformation!

**For question 9 (Please refer to the answer from question 5 and 7 first!) Since there are only 6 types of nature elements and FTG can't be classsified as Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water**

9. FTG is therefore the 6th element YIN YANG!


Since YIN release and YANG release are needed to form a NINJUTSU, then is it possible that Minato is a master of YIN release and YANG release? No one can create a NINJUTSU if he can't master his/her element well.

While it's true that two techniques of the same nature would cancel each other out if the same amount of chakra was put into them like Kakashi's fight with Kakuzu, where he was able to cancel Kakuzu's Lightning Release by deflecting it with his own technique, is it possible for Minato to counter YIN release techniques with his own YIN techniques?

Unlike Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water techs where we can see them if being used, YIN release can't be seen because it is based on the spiritual energy that governs the imagination.

MY POINT: Since I don't believe the story to be PLOT but rather a HINT, this COULD be one of the reason why we did not see Tobi using a sharingan on Minato. This is my OPINION with some explanation behind it.

There you go guys. Thank you for your participation and have a great day!

Yin and yang are 2 different elements so this is flawed. The first was able to use Yang release with his wood element to give it life. If Minato had Yin and yang release as you said then he would not need to make seals in order to teleport.

 

[TheBattousai]

Tnx mate for participating. Correct me if i'm wrong but I think rasengan is the highest level of shape transformation. Since FTG is a space/time tech, then I doubt that it falls under shape transformation. If we go by difficulty level, rasengan is A-rank while FTG is S-rank. I don't think FTG would be a lower level than rasengan because if that's the case, many can master it because it does not involve nature elements but only chakra.

I still don't understand why it must be both physical and spatial re-composition. Maybe minato's FTG is S-rank compared to rasengan's A-rank because of it's formula application component. With that said I still think it makes more since for it to be spatial (Shape). Either way, I don't believe there is enough evidence to support a claim of "4) FTG is NOT Shape Transformation"

 

[ajpn920]

Yin and yang are 2 different elements so this is flawed. The first was able to use Yang release with his wood element to give it life. If Minato had Yin and yang release as you said then he would not need to make seals in order to teleport.

I think that his seal was used as a mark for his destination. Just think, whenever there's a seal, Minato can go there. It is simply his style of marking an opponent to follow them wherever they are but the technique itself is a space/time ninjutsu like Tobi's. He uses seals to mark an opponent, but it was never mentioned that FTG is a sealing jutsu.

 

[Ninpou]

I think that his seal was used as a mark for his destination. Just think, whenever there's a seal, Minato can go there. It is simply his style of marking an opponent to follow them wherever they are but the technique itself is a space/time ninjutsu like Tobi's. He uses seals to mark an opponent, but it was never mentioned that FTG is a sealing jutsu.

But if he was using yin and yang he could just imagine himself where he wanted to be using yin and then take himself there with ftg using yang.

 

[ajpn920]

But if he was using yin and yang he could just imagine himself where he wanted to be using yin and then take himself there with ftg using yang.

Nice question mate. As you can see, both YIN and YANG are needed to create ninjutsu. Minato's FTG is special in a way that he can teleport to someone without knowing where he is thru the use of the seal. He uses his mark to determine his destination. Isn't it faster than thinking where his enemies are hiding? That what makes FTG very dangerous in battle.

 

[ajpn920]

theres no evidence to back up your post you're just a fanboy

Go back to the first page then read carefully.U_U

 

[ajpn920]

i did. now i don't know what fantasy world you are living in.

but i suppose its a world that's been hit by a meteorite and the only survivors are you and minato, who have to then repopulate the earths species.

I don't think you did but if you did read it, then I can't find an exact word to describe you. This is where the problem started. It all started with people like you. You seem like an uneducated type of person. Instead of acknowledging someones idea, you keep on bashing it when you can't even provide good argument. Why not make a thread worth discussing?

 

[iSpeak]

1. FTG is a NINJUTSU

2. Ninjutsu uses Chakra

3. Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation are the ONLY method of manipulating chakra

4. FTG is NOTShape Transformation

5. Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water, and YIN YANG are the ONLYtype of nature elements

6. Everyone CAN'T have YIN YANG because it is ONE of the TYPE of nature elements and no one can use all types except Rinnegan user

7. FTG can't be classified as Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water

**For question 8 (Please refer to the answer from question 3 and 4 first!)**

8. FTG is Nature Transformation!

**For question 9 (Please refer to the answer from question 5 and 7 first!) Since there are only 6 types of nature elements and FTG can't be classsified as Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water**

9. FTG is therefore the 6th element YIN YANG!

First of all, FTG/Space time ninjutsu is obviously not Yin-Yang release or everyone who can do summonings + tenten would be a Yin-Yan user. It is more likely to fall under Shape Transformation since it contains movement, controll and the amount of chakra used is determined by the size.
Second, I have shown you examples of Yin-Yan users, including Nagato who had mastery over all element types, successfully being put and trapped in a genjutsu. Danzo aswell.
Thirdly, trial and error isn't the best way to get a conclusion. Yin release governs the imagination (such as milti size technique) and Yang release governs vitality (such as medical ninjuts). FTG falls under neither of these.
Fourthly, the only people who have been able to use Yin-Yang release were people who had Uchiha + Senju/Uzamaki DNA inside them as far as I am aware.