If it werent for tobi sauske wouldnt have ms

[jordan1]

I know what you are all saying about the ms part but let me explain.Before sasuke awakened the ms it says you must kill your best friend or the closest one to you right?Itachi was far from the closest one to sasuke actually he was last I belive.After sauske killed him and tobi reveling the truth he realizes that Itachi was actually the closest one to him and in pain and sarrow for killing his loving brother he awakened his eyes.With only the thought of revenge for konoha.
So would it not be for tobi that sauske has ms and ems?
be honest I belive if tobi did not tell him the truth he would have 3t unless he kills naruto which will not happen

 

[Flame Alchemist]

you don't have to kill. it's enough to feel the death somebody else may kill him too.
and it's said closest. not the closest you love. itachi is the closest person sasuke had but only that sasuke didn't love him but hate him

 

[jordan1]

you don't have to kill. it's enough to feel the death somebody else may kill him too.

yea i forgot that.the part about hate wrong

 

[lswhyte123]

Understanding things fail. Dude you're wrong I'm afraid. Not bad logic, just wrong.

 

[jordan1]

Understanding things fail. Dude you're wrong I'm afraid. Not bad logic, just wrong.

where?

 

[lswhyte123]

where?

Itachi was in every way the closest thing and person to Sasuke. He felt closer to his brother than anyone in the world and had it taken away from him and it turned to hatred & revenge. This doesn't change the fact that they were close to each other.

 

[jordan1]

Itachi was in every way the closest thing and person to Sasuke. He felt closer to his brother than anyone in the world and had it taken away from him and it turned to hatred & revenge. This doesn't change the fact that they were close to each other.

sauske did not know that he was the closest so how would he feel anyway when he killed itachi he taught he was the enemy

 

[Uchiha Gohan]

MS, maybe, sasuke would have found out sooner or later. Tobi just sped the process up.

EMS, definitely, because Tobi had itachi's eyes so Tobi was 100% for EMS.

 

[jordan1]

I just the some reseach on naruto wiki and it says sauske awoke his ms after learning the truth!~!!!1
Sasuke Uchiha awakened his Mangekyō Sharingan after learning the truth about his brother, Itachi. In his grief over the knowledge that Itachi was not the villain he imagined him to be, coupled with Sasuke's own role in Itachi's death, he awakens his Mangekyō Sharingan. Unlike other Sharingan, which have a black design and red background, Sasuke's Mangekyō is the first one that is shown to have a red design and a black background.

 

[Wannabebetter]

Sasuke treasured I tachi more than anything,he's the closest person to him,
the one he could confess his feelings to, despite what Itachi had done,Sasuke would definately
grieve for him,even without Tobi telling him a thing, if you have brothers/sisters/close friends you
should know what I mean,......

 

[XZA]

Sasuke treasured I tachi more than anything,he's the closest person to him,
the one he could confess his feelings to, despite what Itachi had done,Sasuke would definately
grieve for him,even without Tobi telling him a thing, if you have brothers/sisters/close friends you
should know what I mean,......

this ^^

 

[Yanto]

If tobi were not there there won't be an ems on sasuke and no wars and no bijuu talks and no kakashi and gai tag team and no previous kages and a lot more won't be there..
Did i go out of topic? XD

 

[jordan1]

Sasuke treasured I tachi more than anything,he's the closest person to him,
the one he could confess his feelings to, despite what Itachi had done,Sasuke would definately
grieve for him,even without Tobi telling him a thing, if you have brothers/sisters/close friends you
should know what I mean,......

I know what you mean but if my brother killed all my loved ones he does not deserve the title as my brother or the desire to live

 

[lswhyte123]

sauske did not know that he was the closest so how would he feel anyway when he killed itachi he taught he was the enemy

There is a thin line between love & hate. It tends to be that we can harbour a strong emotional feeling towards someone because we either love or hate them, but it tends to be both. He loved Itachi and felt very close but the massacre made Sasuke hate him and want his revenge, it didn't change the fact that Sasuke had felt close and it was his only sibling.

Just because Sasuke thought Itachi was his enemy, didn't mean he felt distant at all. He was always emotionally tied when he thought of Itachi, it just so happened that the hatred was so strong it overrode any other emotions. Sasuke was also very close to Naruto, yet considered him an enemy which awoke his complete 3 tomoe Sharingan.

 

[phantomlord22]

No It's Not, Itachi died for sasuke Ms and tobi said himself that itachi planed all that fight to awaken your MS which means Itachi did it and before saying the truth sasuke use amterasu, man I'm sure you saw that didn't you?
and again Itachis eyes help out to awaken EMS...
with out tobi it was possible but with out having itachi around... man don't even think or talk about it

 

[lswhyte123]

I just the some reseach on naruto wiki and it says sauske awoke his ms after learning the truth!~!!!1
Sasuke Uchiha awakened his Mangekyō Sharingan after learning the truth about his brother, Itachi. In his grief over the knowledge that Itachi was not the villain he imagined him to be, coupled with Sasuke's own role in Itachi's death, he awakens his Mangekyō Sharingan. Unlike other Sharingan, which have a black design and red background, Sasuke's Mangekyō is the first one that is shown to have a red design and a black background.

Sasuke 1st use of MS was Itachi Amaterasu sealed within him. That may have made learning MS easier or helped him achieve it.

And of course it says Sasuke learnt it after finding out the truth. That's when he woke up after the fight. There was no time gap so you can't say whether it was Tobi telling him that or the fact He saw his brother die.

 

[jordan1]

There is a thin line between love & hate. It tends to be that we can harbour a strong emotional feeling towards someone because we either love or hate them, but it tends to be both. He loved Itachi and felt very close but the massacre made Sasuke hate him and want his revenge, it didn't change the fact that Sasuke had felt close and it was his only sibling.

Just because Sasuke thought Itachi was his enemy, didn't mean he felt distant at all. He was always emotionally tied when he thought of Itachi, it just so happened that the hatred was so strong it overrode any other emotions. Sasuke was also very close to Naruto, yet considered him an enemy which awoke his complete 3 tomoe Sharingan.

Sasuke 3t just matured by itself it was not naruto who made this happen and if your brother killed all your family would you consider him as your closest friend or the ones who truely care about you

 

[lswhyte123]

Sasuke 3t just matured by itself it was not naruto who made this happen and if your brother killed all your family would you consider him as your closest friend or the ones who truely care about you

It doesn't matter what someone does. If you develop a strong bond like that, deep down it cannot be broken. All that can happen is one emotion or another will over-ride any other impulse. In Sasuke's case, it was the desire for revenge & hatred.

Everyone is explaining it to you dude. Get over it. your theory is faulty. I do see what you were trying to say though.

 

[jordan1]

It doesn't matter what someone does. If you develop a strong bond like that, deep down it cannot be broken. All that can happen is one emotion or another will over-ride any other impulse. In Sasuke's case, it was the desire for revenge & hatred.

Everyone is explaining it to you dude. Get over it. your theory is faulty.

so your point is sasuke got his ms because of his hate for itachi?

 

[lswhyte123]

so your point is sasuke got his ms because of his hate for itachi?

No. My point is that in losing the person Sasuke felt closest to and the greatest loss over, he managed to awaken the MS.

Even though Sasuke still loved his brother and had deeply set emotions and bonds with him, the hatred he felt towards him was stronger than that.

The hatred is what drove Sasuke, once Itachi died though, the sadness of the loss would still become apparent.

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