Sasuke MS VS Itachi MS
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A Comprehensive Guide: Itachi>Sauce:
This does not include the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, which is a fusion.
What we saw
Was an illusion. There is a chapter titled Illusion afterward to make this clear.
Sauce realizing he could have been genjutsu-raped.
Sasuke says his Sharingan can see through all of Itachi's (tier higher) illusions. After learning Itachi was jobbing, Sauce's face says it all. +Tobi says he couldn't.
Sauce realizing he could have been CQC-raped.
Itachi is much better in close quarters (a tier higher.) Without that White Snake, this would have been an elegant version of what Killer Bee did.
Sauce realizing he could have been Tsukuyomi-raped
Sasuke argues that Itachi used the Mangekyō Sharingan to kill him, and yet... then it shows the Tsukuyomi scene. And the Amaterasu scene. Coincidence?
Amaterasu Dodging
Itachi planned that fight. Logically speaking, he didn't plan for Sasuke to be defeated with Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu or Sharingan genjutsu, for example.
Tsukuyomi Comparison
Danzō pulled a Kanye West by congratulating Sasuke on trapping him in in an illusion, but said that Itachi had the greatest Tsukuyomi OF ALL TIME.
Amaterasu Comparison
Itachi has better incineration feats, and he dragged Amaterasu around more. Sasuke controls Amaterasy more finely, but he's done so once (see above.)
Susano'o Comparison
Sasuke couldn't hold Complete Susano'o, like Itachi. Itachi has legendary items. Sasuke may be more versatile, or... just had more screen time.
All-around
Versatile Sasuke could be broken as fuck, but he fights one-dimensionally like Itachi, with dōjutsu and genjutsu, and uses the techniques with less power than Itachi did, and also in the wrong order.
This does not include the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, which is a fusion.
What we saw
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Was an illusion. There is a chapter titled Illusion afterward to make this clear.
Sauce realizing he could have been genjutsu-raped.
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Sasuke says his Sharingan can see through all of Itachi's (tier higher) illusions. After learning Itachi was jobbing, Sauce's face says it all. +Tobi says he couldn't.
Sauce realizing he could have been CQC-raped.
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Itachi is much better in close quarters (a tier higher.) Without that White Snake, this would have been an elegant version of what Killer Bee did.
Sauce realizing he could have been Tsukuyomi-raped
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Sasuke argues that Itachi used the Mangekyō Sharingan to kill him, and yet... then it shows the Tsukuyomi scene. And the Amaterasu scene. Coincidence?
Amaterasu Dodging
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Itachi planned that fight. Logically speaking, he didn't plan for Sasuke to be defeated with Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu or Sharingan genjutsu, for example.
Tsukuyomi Comparison
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Danzō pulled a Kanye West by congratulating Sasuke on trapping him in in an illusion, but said that Itachi had the greatest Tsukuyomi OF ALL TIME.
Amaterasu Comparison
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Itachi has better incineration feats, and he dragged Amaterasu around more. Sasuke controls Amaterasy more finely, but he's done so once (see above.)
Susano'o Comparison
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Sasuke couldn't hold Complete Susano'o, like Itachi. Itachi has legendary items. Sasuke may be more versatile, or... just had more screen time.
All-around
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Versatile Sasuke could be broken as fuck, but he fights one-dimensionally like Itachi, with dōjutsu and genjutsu, and uses the techniques with less power than Itachi did, and also in the wrong order.
Not really, its just that Ama burns its target faster when user is focusing his eyesight at it. Sasuke completely burned Danzos ass in seconds when he was actually looking at him. Sasukes Ama > Itachis Ama.
Becuase he went blind. I dont think we are talking about nearly blind Sasuke.
Thay would be no factor in Susanoo vs Susanoo fight, since Totsuuka must pierce through something in order to seal it.
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Blaze Release
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???.
Are you trying to say sasuke's amaterasu is hotter than itachi's?. How did you come to that conclusion exactly. Isnt it the same amaterasu that took ages to burn throw a sumarai's armour and also A's arm.
Think both is just as hot
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Itachi Namikaze
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To be honest dude you are kind of being a fanboy right now.
The only thing that Sasuke has over Itachi is his control of Amaterasu, and just because Itachi hasn't shown it doesn't mean he can't do it. He has only used Amaterasu in two battles and then he used it to take out Nagato, and in the Sasuke battle he didn't actually want to hit him.
By the way are you saying that the Totsuka sword can't go through Susanoo or in any way damage it?
Blaze Release
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Im actually Itachis fan, not Sasukes.
Sasukes Ninjutsu is better in general. He has wider arsenal of strong techniques, including ones that dont need seals at all, like Chidori Nagashi or Chidori lance.
Through full Susanoo? I doubt it very much.
BTW. I never said that Sasuke would win this battle. Itachi has better chances, but Sasuke has some chance too.
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Itachi Namikaze
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All of Sasuke's chidori jutsus need seals, who told you that? It is just that kishi never shows hand seals for jutsus. Have you ever seen kakashi perform hand seals for raikiri? He just doesn't show them except for in Naruto's shadow clone jutsu when he zooms in on Naruto and Naruto ends up making hundreds of clones.
And Itachi has a wide array of jutsus as well. Fireball jutsus, water jutsus, and his Susanoo has shown Yasaka magatama, which Sasuke's never did.
Also about Sasuke's Susanoo. He never used a full Susanoo. He had it up for like 10 seconds and then went blind. If we are to go off of Sasuke when he had MS then he didn't have a full Susanoo. That is Sasuke's fault for being a dummy and spamming his MS so much. Itachi had MS for a decade and didn't go blind, whereas Sasuke had it for like 2 or 3 weeks and went blind.
I just don't see how you don't get it though Itachi is better in literally every way. The only real thing that is weaker is his immune system, so unless Sasuke has some sort of contagious disease he can't win this fight.
And here is a final thing to try and convince you. In Sasuke and Itachi's fight, Sasuke couldn't even see through all of Itachi's regular genjutsu. Itachi could have killed him at any point had he wanted to. And MS doesn't randomly make you immune to genjutsu like so many people mistakenly believe.
Manga told me that.
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He couldnt make any seals here. His arms were hold by Naruto and Sai.
But Sasuke has wider array of really strong jutsus. Chidori and its variants are all high ranked techniques.
I thought that we are talking about Sasuke in good condition with fully developed MS powers.
Sasuke is Uchiha with MS. Itachi himself said that person like that would be able to break Tsukiyomi. And actually, Sasuke could see through all Itachis genjutsus. I dont think that Itachi used full powered Tsukiyomi against Sasuke, but Sasuke still managed to break it with three tomoe Sharingan. MS would only do better job.
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Itachi Namikaze
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Just because an Uchiha with MS has the possibility of break his Tsukuyomi doesn't mean they automatically see through all genjutsu, don't just make stuff up. And go back and reread that battle Sasuke didn't see through all of Itachi's genjutsu, he just didn't. Itachi was sitting in his chair the entire time and just pointed to the real him after Sasuke thought he stabbed him. Itachi release the genjutsu instead of just killing Sasuke.
You clearly aren't understanding the point of this. Sure Sasuke can break out of Tsukuyomi, if he knows he is in it. But he doesn't even see through all of Itachi's regular genjutsu. He sucks at it compared to Itachi.
MS doesn't randomly give you the ability to see through genjutsu.
FACT - Sasuke didn't see through Itachi's genjutsu.
FACT - Itachi has started every battle he has been in with a genjutsu.
FACT - Only Bee has ever broken/seen through his genjutsu, and that was a regular genjutsu, and that is only because Bee is both a perfect jinchurikki and had Samehada.
If Itachi were serious he would use a genjutsu, Sasuke would think he sees through it and then Itachi would kill him.
As for Chidori, I suggest you take a look at the databooks, and what they have to say about the matter.
I dont have to, I know this manga well. They couldnt defeat each other with Genjutsu, it was pointless, therefore they started Ninjutsu battle.
Chidori Nagashi dont need any hand seals, manga tells that much.
Itachi Namikaze
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Fair enough, I'll accept that Chidori Nagashi doesn't need hand seals.
But Itachi release the genjutsu, that is a fact. You saying you won't go back and read it pretty much admits to me that you know I am right.
But here is what happened.
Itachi used a genjutsu, Sasuke pretended he didn't see through it and used one of his own to make Itachi think that Sasuke was right in front of him and stabbed him.
Sasuke got behind Itachi's chair and stabbed the "real" Itachi, but it turns out Itachi had used another genjutsu and the real Itachi was behind Sasuke, as you can tell when Itachi just points backwards and Sasuke is like "da fuq?"
Sasuke has this :O face on and Itachi release the genjutsu and says that this battle won't be fought with genjutsu.
had Itachi wanted to he could have let Sasuke go on thinking that he had actually stabbed him and he could have just killed Sasuke there.
It would have been an easy win, and Sasuke knows it. I think Blaze release even showed a manga scan of it earlier in this thread. So I guess that you don't know the manga as well as you thought.
Uchiha Leader
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sasuke ms the only thing itachi had over him in ocular power would be genjutsu,susanno wanted ro see more of sasuke becuase he was getting stronger and about to show true power to kakashi.
amerterasu sasuke is better
amerterasu sasuke is better