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[jordan1]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

guys I just read more about izanagi and it can only be used on your self creation of all things is different and more powerfull.when you said tobi is an izanagi creation I think that is wrong.Izanagi is a genjutsu that is cast on the user instead of others and is the most powerful amongst this type of genjutsu.When activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence. It is normally only active for the briefest of moments.

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Why would that be permanent because thats the point of the jutsu. Danzo kept on using it because he was getting killed every time he gets brought back to life .

I think you are very confused with how izanagi works. But to shoot your theory down, you do know that tobi used izanagi right?.

Yes but that was only after he obtained Hashirama cells allowing him to used Jutsu's which required a higher amount of chakra.

Also, How, In anyway, was Danzo dying?. He was Using Izanagi so that he avoided the attacks in the first place; not so that he could bring himself back to life. The attacks weren't killing him; they werent affecting him in the first place.

 

[jordan1]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Yes but that was only after he obtained Hashirama cells allowing him to used Jutsu's which required a higher amount of chakra.

Also, How, In anyway, was Danzo dying?. He was Using Izanagi so that he avoided the attacks in the first place; not so that he could bring himself back to life. The attacks weren't killing him; they werent affecting him in the first place.

wrong he couldnt have dodged susanoo's arrow so he had no choice but to activate izanagi

 

[Blaze Release]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Yes but that was only after he obtained Hashirama cells allowing him to used Jutsu's which required a higher amount of chakra.

Also, How, In anyway, was Danzo dying?. He was Using Izanagi so that he avoided the attacks in the first place; not so that he could bring himself back to life. The attacks weren't killing him; they werent affecting him in the first place.

And didnt danzo have hashirama's cells aswell. Anyway the technique the sage used (creation of all things) to split the 10 tails chakra into 9 different beasts, is very different from izanagi. They are similarities in the elements used, but they arent the same technique.

I seriously believe you need to reread about izanagi, you might get a better idea;

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[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

wrong he couldnt have dodged susanoo's arrow so he had no choice but to activate izanagi

Yes but the arrow may not have immediately (and I mean like incinerated him in a 1000th of a second) killed him it would've only been a serious injury (which would've lead to his death, I agree), and so he can easily use Izanagi.

 

[jordan1]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

izanagi cant be used to create stuff like creation of all thing but it has the ability to remove the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Izanagi uses the same principle as creation of all things, just at a lesser extent. Thus, a technique with the power to turn imagination into reality was born, known as Izanagi. Meaning, it can be used to create things

No, you're right about them sharing the same principle: which is the transformation of imagination and reality

Izanagi is lesser jutsu, so the bst it could do was turn damage into imagination

Izanagi is a shell of Creation of All Things

 

[jordan1]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Yes but the arrow may not have immediately (and I mean like incinerated him in a 1000th of a second) killed him it would've only been a serious injury (which would've lead to his death, I agree), and so he can easily use Izanagi.

I belive there was a time dazo noted that if susanoo's arrow hit him he would be dead

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

And didnt danzo have hashirama's cells aswell. Anyway the technique the sage used (creation of all things) to split the 10 tails chakra into 9 different beasts, is very different from izanagi. They are similarities in the elements used, but they arent the same technique.

I seriously believe you need to reread about izanagi, you might get a better idea;

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Danzo got the cells from orochimaru, yes.

Quote straight from narutopedia:
The sage used this ability to split the Ten-Tails into nine tailed beasts (creation of all things). It is also said that the technique Izanagi is based on this technique.

Meaning the technique is just another very similar version of turning imagination/illusion into reality. Quote:

When activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence. It is normally only active for the briefest of moments.

ALL of which I mentioned earlier so you're mistaken if you think I have misinterpreted the technique.

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

I belive there was a time dazo noted that if susanoo's arrow hit him he would be dead

Yes but it wouldn't kill him Immediately, which is my point.

 

[jordan1]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

naruto is amazing

 

[jordan1]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Yes but it wouldn't kill him Immediately, which is my point.

but he would be out of ckarkra and could not use it like seen when sauske pearced him he was not dead yet but did not have the energy to perform izanagi

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

but he would be out of ckarkra and could not use it like seen when sauske pearced him he was not dead yet but did not have the energy to perform izanagi

He ran out of eyes to use Izanagi with. Remember, before that Sasuke put him in a genjutsu to trick him into believing he had one more sharingan than he actually had.

 

[jordan1]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

He ran out of eyes to use Izanagi with. Remember, before that Sasuke put him in a genjutsu to trick him into believing he had one more sharingan than he actually had.

wrong he had shishui eye remember

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

wrong he had shishui eye remember

He was saving that for kotoamatsukami anyway.

 

[jordan1]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

He was saving that for kotoamatsukami anyway.

true but when sauske pearced him he knew he was about to die he could have used it to save himself but he did not have the charkra remember izanagi takes up alot of charkra

 

[Blaze Release]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Danzo got the cells from orochimaru, yes.

Quote straight from narutopedia:
The sage used this ability to split the Ten-Tails into nine tailed beasts (creation of all things). It is also said that the technique Izanagi is based on this technique.

Meaning the technique is just another very similar version of turning imagination/illusion into reality. Quote:

When activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence. It is normally only active for the briefest of moments.

ALL of which I mentioned earlier so you're mistaken if you think I have misinterpreted the technique.

But you see nartuopedia are merely speculating about the relation between the two techniques and i actually agree with them. Such a technique (creation of all things) is bound to use ying yang release aswell.

At the highlighted part, thanks for that youve made my life easier. Thats what im saying. If user is able to control their existence meaning, if they receive a fatal injury in the real world, they can use izanagi to control their existence and come back to real life untouched. The technique is the ability to turn dreams to reality. The effect on the other hand is permanent, either bringing the person back to life or returning them to the state they were in before they got injured.

"While the user remains physically real while fighting, this technique is capable of turning injuries and even death inflicted upon them into mere "illusions". Whenever the user receives a fatal injury, he or she automatically fades away as though they were an illusion all along and then returns back to reality; physically real and unscathed."

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

But you see nartuopedia are merely speculating about the relation between the two techniques and i actually agree with them. Such a technique (creation of all things) is bound to use ying yang release aswell.

At the highlighted part, thanks for that youve made my life easier. Thats what im saying. If user is able to control their existence meaning, if they receive a fatal injury in the real world, they can use izanagi to control their existence and come back to real life untouched. The technique is the ability to turn dreams to reality. The effect on the other hand is permanent, either bringing the person back to life or returning them to the state they were in before they got injured.

"While the user remains physically real while fighting, this technique is capable of turning injuries and even death inflicted upon them into mere "illusions". Whenever the user receives a fatal injury, he or she automatically fades away as though they were an illusion all along and then returns back to reality; physically real and unscathed."

Ok, at this point I'm confused as to what you're pointing out because the information I've provided is actually agreeing with what you saying. The only thing I stated was that Izanagi wears off after a while, so It needs to be re-used the next time someone attacks you, which is true.

 

[Ryuu..]

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[Blaze Release]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Ok, at this point I'm confused as to what you're pointing out because the information I've provided is actually agreeing with what you saying. The only thing I stated was that Izanagi wears off after a while, so It needs to be re-used the next time someone attacks you, which is true.

You still dont get it. Izanagi only turns reality into illusions in a matter of seconds. Meaning once its been used and you come back to life, thats the technique ended. You are alive again. If you were killed, youd have to use it again and again and again and thats what danzo kept on doing, until he run out of eyes