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Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?
I like the theory but remember tobi's lab that is full of sharingan he could use those sharingans for the purpose of izanagi like creating a even more powerfull beast than even the 10 tails.so why did he not do that maybe he couldnt or he did not have the stamina
I like the theory but remember tobi's lab that is full of sharingan he could use those sharingans for the purpose of izanagi like creating a even more powerfull beast than even the 10 tails.so why did he not do that maybe he couldnt or he did not have the stamina
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Very nice theory. Very well backed up. In my opinion this could very well be true. It does kind of have a ring of truth. It would make sense with all that has happened so far. +rep to you man. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
Very nice theory. Very well backed up. In my opinion this could very well be true. It does kind of have a ring of truth. It would make sense with all that has happened so far. +rep to you man. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
XMrLiNdOrX
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holy shit, best tobi thread read so far.. +rep
holy shit, best tobi thread read so far.. +rep
jordy kusturica
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great theory, very solidy keep the good work buddy
great theory, very solidy keep the good work buddy
Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?
Possible, but I think Tobi simply doesn't have enough chakra to creat something that big. Only the so6p could create something that powerful IMO using creation of all things.
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Nice, but i disagree.
Firstly izanagi is ying yang release.
Secondly izanagi originally is a rennigan tehnique. Sharigan users are able to use it with the help of senju cells, but will lose their eye. Ying and yang are two of the elements that the rennigan allows, therefore if they can combine these two elements within their ability they wouldnt go blind. Notice the term; their ability. ying and yang release is not an ability of the sharigan.
As for your theory, there are many holes in it.
The main ones being, if madara did infact use izanagi with his ems he would go blind in one eye, therefore he can only activate the rennigan in one eye. You can twist this and say if he had the rennigan and used izanagi he wouldnt go blind. That is true, but if he was able to use izanagi via the rennigan he wouldnt need tobi, because izanagi makes reality an illusion therefore he can bring himself back to life. Tobi wouldnt be needed at all.
Thirdly in all these instances youve said tobi has taken on the persona as madara. Meaning he is basically telling us what madara's plans and his life. Tobi himself has other plans.
Nice, but i disagree.
Firstly izanagi is ying yang release.
Secondly izanagi originally is a rennigan tehnique. Sharigan users are able to use it with the help of senju cells, but will lose their eye. Ying and yang are two of the elements that the rennigan allows, therefore if they can combine these two elements within their ability they wouldnt go blind. Notice the term; their ability. ying and yang release is not an ability of the sharigan.
As for your theory, there are many holes in it.
The main ones being, if madara did infact use izanagi with his ems he would go blind in one eye, therefore he can only activate the rennigan in one eye. You can twist this and say if he had the rennigan and used izanagi he wouldnt go blind. That is true, but if he was able to use izanagi via the rennigan he wouldnt need tobi, because izanagi makes reality an illusion therefore he can bring himself back to life. Tobi wouldnt be needed at all.
Thirdly in all these instances youve said tobi has taken on the persona as madara. Meaning he is basically telling us what madara's plans and his life. Tobi himself has other plans.
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I believe Madara couldn't use Izanagi to prevent his death as I believe it's not simply a 'one off' technique; eventually he would need to re-use Izanagi to save himself from being gripped by death once again and I don't believe he had the required strength to keep this going; he had life threatening injuries and was too weak to put this kind of cycle in place.
I think only the So6p was strong enough to use it as a one off technique; which is why when danzo or Tobi use Izanagi they don't remain 'invincible for a long time'. This also explains why Tobi feels he is a shadow of his former self because the longer Madara was dead the weaker he became.
I think Madara felt it was more efficient to be brought back using rinne tensei at full power, full health and under no-ones control (unlike edo tensei). So Tobi was necessary in order to keep the plan in motion and ensure Nagato did his duty whilst Madara was dead.
It's also possible that, despite being Madara's creation with artificial memories and emotions, He could over time have developed his own opinions or lust for power. This could lead him to eventually betray Madara, which would improve Naruto's storyline and make it more interesting. That could explain why he is acting with less structure or mysteriousness or why he is so gung-ho.
Fair enough, However:
I believe Madara couldn't use Izanagi to prevent his death as I believe it's not simply a 'one off' technique; eventually he would need to re-use Izanagi to save himself from being gripped by death once again and I don't believe he had the required strength to keep this going; he had life threatening injuries and was too weak to put this kind of cycle in place.
I think only the So6p was strong enough to use it as a one off technique; which is why when danzo or Tobi use Izanagi they don't remain 'invincible for a long time'. This also explains why Tobi feels he is a shadow of his former self because the longer Madara was dead the weaker he became.
I think Madara felt it was more efficient to be brought back using rinne tensei at full power, full health and under no-ones control (unlike edo tensei). So Tobi was necessary in order to keep the plan in motion and ensure Nagato did his duty whilst Madara was dead.
It's also possible that, despite being Madara's creation with artificial memories and emotions, He could over time have developed his own opinions or lust for power. This could lead him to eventually betray Madara, which would improve Naruto's storyline and make it more interesting. That could explain why he is acting with less structure or mysteriousness or why he is so gung-ho.
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spike00spiegel
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Come on to create a human from nothing..and not any human..someone very strong as tobi? If I were kishi I would make tobi someone like Madara's son. and the sage didn't created the tailed beasts from nothing, he transformed the 10 tails chakra, probably at this point not even kishi knows who tobi is, tobi will be someone who will make a nice plot like pain, your theory has a very slim chance to be true.
Come on to create a human from nothing..and not any human..someone very strong as tobi? If I were kishi I would make tobi someone like Madara's son. and the sage didn't created the tailed beasts from nothing, he transformed the 10 tails chakra, probably at this point not even kishi knows who tobi is, tobi will be someone who will make a nice plot like pain, your theory has a very slim chance to be true.
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Tobi is not madara. He knows alot about madara, but he doesnt know everything. He is most likely very close to madara and its obvious that he is madara's partner/accomplice
All youve said doesnt help your cause. How izanagi works is pretty clear. Once used, you come back to life. Its never been said that you have to keep on using it to leave. Off course only when you need to though.
Tobi is not madara. He knows alot about madara, but he doesnt know everything. He is most likely very close to madara and its obvious that he is madara's partner/accomplice
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As I mentioned, Only the So6p, using my logic, must have been strong enough to make it a 'one off jutsu'.
So anyone who has used Izanagi thus far could only maintain their 'Imaginational reality' (LOL) for a matter of moments. So, If madara brought himself back it would only be for a matter of moments and so after this period of time he would have to re-use Izanagi or he would die. As I said, I don't think he was strong enough to maintain this cycle which is why he could not rely on this method.
But what i'm saying is, if you use it to come back to life, why would that be permanent? For example, Danzo could only be impervious against Sasuke's attacks for a matter of moments, then he had to re-use Izanagi if he wanted the same effect. Otherwise, the moment he used Izanagi it would never wear off and he would remain impervious to the attacks forever.
As I mentioned, Only the So6p, using my logic, must have been strong enough to make it a 'one off jutsu'.
So anyone who has used Izanagi thus far could only maintain their 'Imaginational reality' (LOL) for a matter of moments. So, If madara brought himself back it would only be for a matter of moments and so after this period of time he would have to re-use Izanagi or he would die. As I said, I don't think he was strong enough to maintain this cycle which is why he could not rely on this method.
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I think you are very confused with how izanagi works. But to shoot your theory down, you do know that tobi used izanagi right?.
Why would that be permanent because thats the point of the jutsu. Danzo kept on using it because he was getting killed every time he gets brought back to life
.I think you are very confused with how izanagi works. But to shoot your theory down, you do know that tobi used izanagi right?.
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