Why are you atheists/agnostic?

[Son of God]

Basically the fact changed from the apples only growing from trees which was stated in the past.Now in the future we observed that the apple grew from the ground without a tree.This proving that scientific facts change through out time.

Yeah, I know. So what though?

Should we not trust them?

 

[MissShakra]

The agnostics and atheists i know don't like God basically. They either think everything the bible and religion in general has to offer is a crock of shit or they feel God has "forgotten them" or "betrayed" them with the removal of a family member or such. To me, there has to be a higher being out there and there has to be more to our existence than just living on earth and dying. I was raised a Christian, and i have taken a look at many different religions and there is truth to them, they have have the same central message (like Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Etc) for those who practice those religions correctly. There is so much we dont know or understand about our earth or our ancestors that lived here before us. No human on this planet has a right to say whether or not there is or isnt a God, if you can't already see that this world is no normal creation then there isnt much hope.

 

[TheLOLRoller]

The reason why I am atheist is because I want to embrace the world as a whole. Im not going to bias myself and stick to one religion, because then you wouldn't have alot of tolerance for other religions out there. Coming from buddhist roots, I stopped practicing after my grandmother passed away because it reminded me too much of her. That was until I was 12 and now a few years later, Ive grown to tolerate every religion out there and embrace the positive sides of what our mythology has to offer. It keeps me at peace.

The world needs more people like you

 

[tommy78]

Let me put it like this.If theorys are based on facts then why does these factual evidence constantly changes.For example(and i know this is not true but get wat im inputing)" If its proven that the apple grows from a tree and only a tree; and we beleived it for 50 years"Now we just seen an apple sprout from the ground as we observed it grow for 2 years.Therefore that original fact is false and must be changed.Science changes...or should i refer to the past scientific facts before the 20th century?

Nope, that is idiotic. sorry but I can't sugar code this. Please use actual scientific evidence, like actual theories. There cannot be a theory on where apples grow (thats a fact, facts help make theories). However you may have a theory on what allows apples to grow in which case, the theory would still remain relatively unchanged. An apple still need water and nutrients to grow probably the exact same proccess happening somwhere else is all! (a theory would never suggest it can only be obtained from a tree but mention that is where it generally happens).

Now it is true certain theories are adjusted when discoveries are made, but generally they only tweek the theory. No one claims the theories are perfect. Is gravity just a theory?

You have a serious lack of scientific understanding, twice now I have prooven you wrong, first with the big bang and now with this silly argument.

 

[KiriyuSenju]

What is Religion?The believe and worship of a supreme God Or Deity. Now normally i will scroll at times when i am not busy reading all the comments but let me lay it out here once and for all for all of you,the three core religions on earth are Christianity,Islam,and traditional(Includes myths)I am speaking and referring to Christianity now I will be Given Proof and relevant statements Below.


Christianity
This is one of the oldest religions and has been here for thousands of years,it is based on a man known as the Savior of the world in Christianity ,called Jesus Christ the proof of his birth goes back to early Jerusalem and up to today the ruins and Jesus birth place are there this are proof,that Jesus existed and there is truly a God,also lets look at the Vatican with it,s history of popes me being a catholic will now ask you do you think every things all those history about the Vatican from 1st pope peter to pope Benedict is fabricated ,i am sorry but that is a fact that you don't want to know the truth,how do you explain people who have cancer and the doctor said they have little time to live surviving for years and in rare situations cured not because of medicine but because of God,atheist believe in the bang which for me is quite strange because would you rather believe a man(Jesus is God or the son of God)or believe that the earth with water and high mountains exploded and came about in a day and there was magical oxygen,there is an extent to wishful thinking as we all know,that in my opinion is complete fabrication of the truth ,if you don't believe in God then you don,t believe in miracles and good and evil because we all know if there is evil there is always good that is a simple fact of humanity and human life which we all know each sides has its opposites so saying religion does not exist is saying there is no balance thus only evil or only good or neither good nor evil,we shall all die one day and i wonder what you think will happen,this life is not our dwelling place,so suggest you atheists start changing your way of life i wont force anybody or force you to convert but i will persuade you in a civilized manner .Lets look at the things the last book of the bible says which is Revelation and manifest or channel it into our daily community it said there will be wars,and oppression,>>struggle in Libya>>India struggle of to make the No Pall Bill Be Used,Also so many things are going around which was foretold by the bible so please you guys just give Christianity a chance a blind man cannot say a woman is ugly because he does not have eyes and has not seen her so please don't give up on Christianity or religion give it a try try going to church or any religious place of worship and try it just believe and if you have tried and you still don't see well i can only wish the best for you.​

I suggest you read more, to aquire more knowledge. Your making unrealistic assumptions on the big bang theory. The big bang theory is a prosses which is still happening today. We have not yet stopped "banging" as the universe is still expanding and in most theories will continue to expand maybe forever.

The universe according to science is the beginning of time and space.
Everything in the universe is made of matter which was made in the first seconds of the big bang. Every star, every planet, every atom. Every blade of grass, every drop of water. The secrets of our pasts, our present and our future are locked inside this one moment of time. "believe that the earth with water and high mountains exploded and came about in a day and there was magical oxygen,there is an extent to wishful thinking" Its not wishfull thinkin. The big bang is a event that has occured. The evidence is simple, its called "Hubble's law" From the scientist that discovered that everything was moving away from us in incredible speeds. Which this is the origin of the big bang theory. Because if something is expanding it had to have a start. Infact the pope and other christian's has allready accepted the big bang theory and included it into the religion, because there is no answer to what happend before the big bang, which they call "the moment of creation". You dont have to be a astronomer to see back in time. If you gaze up in the night sky, you are seeing stars that are millions of light years away. Meaning the light took millions of years to reach the earth. Oxygen,water,mountains and the earth. Came from matter. Water for intance is ancient the hydrogen in it was created moments after the big bang. How every atom, every molecyle, every drop of water, and all matter was formed is simple. When the universe was a point infinite small and infinite dense. It was pure energy. All the fundamental forces was compressed into this tiny point. How did all the matter that we see today arise? Well heard of Einstein's special relativity theory? You should look into it. Allso, he explains everything in a simple equation "E= mc^2" E stands for energy, M for matter, C for velocity. This equation shows that all energy can be transformed into matter and all matter into energy which is why all the forces of nature and all the matter arised from a point of infinite dense energy. Pure energy. And the best part he made the equation before the big bang theory was made. Allso as you probably heard of atoms and electrons. Well there is something even smaller which is called subatonic particles. Which is the first stage of matter.

I myself admire people that can believe in religion. But if you do not seek knowledge and aquire them. I do not care of what you say, your ignorant and thus your arguements invalid for me. God gave you intelligience to aquire knowledge, and thus you need to practice it. And if your worried that knowledge could change your belief, well it might. But i see not were to worry because there will allways be enough arguements for religion in any situation, in this case christianity. So there is nothing to worry about. But before trying to express your "wisdom" know what you are talking about, before making assumption of any scientific theory c:

 

[Saberwulf]

people just dont want to accept the evidence of there being a God
Obviously this universe wasnt created all on its own

 

[KiriyuSenju]

people just dont want to accept the evidence of there being a God
Obviously this universe wasnt created all on its own

First of all there is no evidence of god, nor that its not. Second the universe was created 13,7 billion years ago. To aquire the knowledge of the big bang theory you must buy in to the premise that something arised from nothing. As the universe was a infinite small and dense point of pure energy. As also to be christian you have to buy into the premise that there is a god. So again the point of your post?

 

[Son of God]

people just dont want to accept the evidence of there being a God
Obviously this universe wasnt created all on its own

Evidence?
Obviously?

If you give me some good responses, I see you becoming a very rich person.

 

[Kodiarama Senju]

Too many reason I'm a Strong Athiest (I'd rather you not read if you do not want your faith challenged.)
I was brought up Muslim but I converted to Atheism soon after, then one of my friends brought me into Christianity. Soon after, I'm returned to Atheism.
1. God doesn't show himself and never answers anyone's prayers.
2. It says in the Bible that the only unforgivable sin is to not accept Christ.
- What about all the kids in Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, etc, that are raised in countries who are strictly 99% Muslim. Must they be damned to an eternity of torture granted to them by their "all loving" God?
- Native Americans who didn't even get introduced to Christianity until the 1400's? Do they all have to go and burn in Hell for eternity?
- Does someone who is an incredibly great person but doesn't accept Christ burn in Hell for eternity? By the Christians I've asked, yes, they do.
3. God is supposed to be perfect, omniscient, and everything is supposed to be part of his divine plan. Holocaust? Famine? War?
4. If God was perfect, his creations would be perfect and we're far from perfect. You can say, "But Adam and Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit so we all sin because of them." But you contradict yourself by saying because in the Bible it says, ""The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel 18:20"
5. Religion has been the catalyst of more grief, pain, and death then anything else for humanity.
6. There are so many contradiction in the Bible.
- ON SEEING GOD
"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18
-ON THE POWER OF GOD
"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

7.If you are religious, ask yourself this, what makes your religion so special?
- Let me guess, you were brought up your religion and you simply took what everyone around you fed you. Being indoctrinated by your family and friends right?
- There are hundreds of religions, nothing makes yours special, since most of the people in here are Christian, I'll speak for that one.
- Think the story of Jesus was original? Vishnu, Hindu God, was also born on December 25th to a virgin mother, he was also a carpenter. Hinduism and the story of Vishnu came 2000 years before Christianity.
7.It's simple to see that religion was made by humans to help themselves in different ways.
- People are scared of dying, so they make up things about an afterlife.
- Religions banned homosexuality and masturbation because long ago, humanity was having population problems.
- People are so scared they need something to cling to.
8. Too many things stand against God's perfection, in the Bible he shows signs of jealousy, anger, and wrath.
9. How come none of the Holy Books state anything about scientific breakthrough that we didn't know about yet. If a deity wrote them then he would be all-knowing. How come dinosaurs aren't mentioned? How come atoms and cells aren't mentioned? How come gravity and our solar system being heliocentric isn't mentioned? Because humans wrote it, they didn't know how to answer questions so they made things up.
10. Evolution is much more credible and verifiable then Creationism
- We evolved from Homo Habilis (Hairy humans with larger jaws and smaller brains but with larger imaginations then the animals around them.
- From Homo Habilis, we evolved to Homo Erectus, and so on to Homo Sapien.
- Or you can just believe that a old man made a guy and then took his rib and made a girl.
If you are going to say something, make sure to reply to every point I made, instead of simply disregarding the rest and concentrating on one small argument.
I'm only 14 years old and all these flaws can be identified easily.

 

[Shadowslayer]

much too my displeasure, i read the whole thing... still makes no sense, all you did was post a passage that contradicts my passage, both passages come from the same book.. so you jus made the bible look even worse.. my religious classmate told me a sin is a sin, but i guess not? ha, the bible is jus a convoluted book of contradictions..

Yes a sin is a sin that will never change, but the difference is, and what I've been trying to tell you instead of having to sacrifice a animal everytime we do. We don't have to, because God sent Jesus as a sacrifice to atone for all our sins big, or small we are for given. Meaning we don't have to go out, and kill any homosexual out there, or any person who works on Sunday. Through Jesus the law was fulfilled, now all to do is accept Jesus as our savior, and I'm going to use a quote I used before Luke 9:23-25 "Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. 25 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?" Taking up the cross, and denying yourself means that we acknowledge yes we do sin, but we are trying everyday to step forward in faith, and out of sin plus repent from our sins. A hard thing for anyone to understand is that we are forgiven through Jesus for all that we have done in our lives big or, small no matter who we are if we accept Jesus we are forgiven. That doesn't mean we can go around doing whatever we want, but just that when we do slip up we aren't condemned for it. We just have to repent, and try to not do it again. To repent though faith, and step out of that sin with the help of God and Jesus.

 

[Lunir]

Don't bite my head off or anything, but I'm going to tread shark infested waters with a sub machine gun and ask a couple of million dollar questions and say...

...what do atheists have to lose to believe in a religion? It's not as if you can say " Ha ha! I told you so!" if by some preposterous fluke that there isn't an afterlife/Lord Almighty.

By being a keen observer, I've also noticed that a huge number of atheists become atheists or agnostic because of one particular denomination:

The Catholic Church: I'm not trying to play the blame game here, but I've heard some wild stuff that goes on in this church. A large number of Catholic extremists scare people off because they say crazy stuff like "homosexuals are going straight to Hell if they don't renounce there ways." Also, a bunch of my friends who are atheists/agnostic said that they were brought up in a strict Catholic family.

Also number 2 question. Is it because you just want freedom in general from practicing any religious beliefs? I know I know, it's a chore and as a Christian myself I don't necessarily follow everything that the Bible says because I guess that's just the way I roll.

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I guess that's all I wanted to say for now.

Thoughts? Discuss. (Keep it clean though so this thread doesn't get closed)

Can I ask you a question? Why is it that you're so weak in yourself that you have to feel like there is something watching over you? are you so scared as to have to rely on the "Divine" to give your life purpose, meaning and guidance? What do you have to lose by trusting in your own strength, life is scary and hard but no one not even a "God" is going to do it for you.

Another thing, do you really think that establishments such as the Christian church which have historically bread fear, mistrust, blood shed, and intolerance, is really what a figure such as Jesus (be him historical or mythological) was trying to accomplish with his message and teachings?

And are you so stubborn as to say living life the way you do is the only acceptable way for everyone? Life is about choice and free will and in your "belief" free will is what sets us apart from gods other creations. Religious views are a choice and it's not one you can make for others.

 

[Malebolgia]

Too many reason I'm a Strong Athiest (I'd rather you not read if you do not want your faith challenged.)
I was brought up Muslim but I converted to Atheism soon after, then one of my friends brought me into Christianity. Soon after, I'm returned to Atheism.
1. God doesn't show himself and never answers anyone's prayers.
2. It says in the Bible that the only unforgivable sin is to not accept Christ.
- What about all the kids in Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, etc, that are raised in countries who are strictly 99% Muslim. Must they be damned to an eternity of torture granted to them by their "all loving" God?
- Native Americans who didn't even get introduced to Christianity until the 1400's? Do they all have to go and burn in Hell for eternity?
- Does someone who is an incredibly great person but doesn't accept Christ burn in Hell for eternity? By the Christians I've asked, yes, they do.
3. God is supposed to be perfect, omniscient, and everything is supposed to be part of his divine plan. Holocaust? Famine? War?
4. If God was perfect, his creations would be perfect and we're far from perfect. You can say, "But Adam and Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit so we all sin because of them." But you contradict yourself by saying because in the Bible it says, ""The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel 18:20"
5. Religion has been the catalyst of more grief, pain, and death then anything else for humanity.
6. There are so many contradiction in the Bible.
- ON SEEING GOD
"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18
-ON THE POWER OF GOD
"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

7.If you are religious, ask yourself this, what makes your religion so special?
- Let me guess, you were brought up your religion and you simply took what everyone around you fed you. Being indoctrinated by your family and friends right?
- There are hundreds of religions, nothing makes yours special, since most of the people in here are Christian, I'll speak for that one.
- Think the story of Jesus was original? Vishnu, Hindu God, was also born on December 25th to a virgin mother, he was also a carpenter. Hinduism and the story of Vishnu came 2000 years before Christianity.
7.It's simple to see that religion was made by humans to help themselves in different ways.
- People are scared of dying, so they make up things about an afterlife.
- Religions banned homosexuality and masturbation because long ago, humanity was having population problems.
- People are so scared they need something to cling to.
8. Too many things stand against God's perfection, in the Bible he shows signs of jealousy, anger, and wrath.
9. How come none of the Holy Books state anything about scientific breakthrough that we didn't know about yet. If a deity wrote them then he would be all-knowing. How come dinosaurs aren't mentioned? How come atoms and cells aren't mentioned? How come gravity and our solar system being heliocentric isn't mentioned? Because humans wrote it, they didn't know how to answer questions so they made things up.
10. Evolution is much more credible and verifiable then Creationism
- We evolved from Homo Habilis (Hairy humans with larger jaws and smaller brains but with larger imaginations then the animals around them.
- From Homo Habilis, we evolved to Homo Erectus, and so on to Homo Sapien.
- Or you can just believe that a old man made a guy and then took his rib and made a girl.
If you are going to say something, make sure to reply to every point I made, instead of simply disregarding the rest and concentrating on one small argument.
I'm only 14 years old and all these flaws can be identified easily.

As said in a earlier post of mine, if the bible (which is man-made and built based on beliefs and opinions in order to desperately answer mysterious events in the past) has influenced your decision on becoming an atheist, you should probably re-think that decision or come up with a better reason. The bible should merely be seen as a way to encourage good morals throughout society, such as treat others how you would want to be treated or killing and rape is wrong. Therefore stories within the bible should not be taken literally, as you pointed out, it contradicts itself. The stories within the bible are not fact and shouldn't be treated as such. All religions contradicts themselves at some point, no one has concrete evidence. Something with such contradictions should not influence your decision on whether there is a God or not. Until concrete proof has been presented on either side, it is best to be open-minded to all possibilities.

 

[Revyy]

What is Religion?The believe and worship of a supreme God Or Deity. Now normally i will scroll at times when i am not busy reading all the comments but let me lay it out here once and for all for all of you,the three core religions on earth are Christianity,Islam,and traditional(Includes myths)I am speaking and referring to Christianity now I will be Given Proof and relevant statements Below.


Christianity
This is one of the oldest religions and has been here for thousands of years,it is based on a man known as the Savior of the world in Christianity ,called Jesus Christ the proof of his birth goes back to early Jerusalem and up to today the ruins and Jesus birth place are there this are proof,that Jesus existed and there is truly a God,also lets look at the Vatican with it,s history of popes me being a catholic will now ask you do you think every things all those history about the Vatican from 1st pope peter to pope Benedict is fabricated ,i am sorry but that is a fact that you don't want to know the truth,how do you explain people who have cancer and the doctor said they have little time to live surviving for years and in rare situations cured not because of medicine but because of God,atheist believe in the bang which for me is quite strange because would you rather believe a man(Jesus is God or the son of God)or believe that the earth with water and high mountains exploded and came about in a day and there was magical oxygen,there is an extent to wishful thinking as we all know,that in my opinion is complete fabrication of the truth ,if you don't believe in God then you don,t believe in miracles and good and evil because we all know if there is evil there is always good that is a simple fact of humanity and human life which we all know each sides has its opposites so saying religion does not exist is saying there is no balance thus only evil or only good or neither good nor evil,we shall all die one day and i wonder what you think will happen,this life is not our dwelling place,so suggest you atheists start changing your way of life i wont force anybody or force you to convert but i will persuade you in a civilized manner .Lets look at the things the last book of the bible says which is Revelation and manifest or channel it into our daily community it said there will be wars,and oppression,>>struggle in Libya>>India struggle of to make the No Pall Bill Be Used,Also so many things are going around which was foretold by the bible so please you guys just give Christianity a chance a blind man cannot say a woman is ugly because he does not have eyes and has not seen her so please don't give up on Christianity or religion give it a try try going to church or any religious place of worship and try it just believe and if you have tried and you still don't see well i can only wish the best for you.​

The real definition of Religion is this: Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, moral values. The main Religions are Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism. (This is based of number of followers, does not include myths.)

Pretty much everything you stated above is Biased and or opinion, in in my reading of it It's a little Insulting. Not only are you taking stuff out of context but are using modern day issues to relate to the book of Revelation, which is greatly misunderstood. The oldest Religion that has roots you can trace is Sanātana Dharma or Hinduism. It dates back to 5500–2600 BCE. But this can be debated depending on what facts you read.

The word catholic means universal, It was used to describe the Christian Church in the late 2nd Century. The term has since been incorporated into the name of the largest Christian communion, the Roman Catholic Church, which consists of 23 churches, in full communion with the Bishop of Rome. So your second point really don't relate, It's really just a fancy term for different sects of Christians, You can't say something is a fact when you don't know for sure if it is at least not by using logic, but by using your own Bias.

Atheist in fact do not necessarily believe in the Big Bang that is the most overused, bullshit argument I have seen countless people use. Believe it or not if you would have done your research before you brought that argument in you would have found Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In fact you can even debate that there are 2 different forms of Atheism, Explicit and Implicit. The term implicit atheism to refer to "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it" and explicit atheism to refer to the more common definition of conscious disbelief. In 1772 Baron d'Holbach said that "All children are born Atheists; they have no idea of God." When you are born you have no idea who or what he is, you are influenced to believe in him through your environment, eventually you get old enough and you may decided yourself. Nothing you read is gonna point to the fact they for sure believe in the Big bang, some may yes some may not but to generalize that into one belief system actually shows to me how close minded you in fact are. It's like saying all Christians believe being gay is wrong. I know a lot who are okay with in and in fact gay. It's generalization. Everyone blames one certain thing on one certain Religion just because you THINK. It's just sad. ( No offense)

You keep bring up the complete fabrication of the truth? The earth did not come about in one day regardless if you used it as a joke It came about over Millions of years. In fact in recent years we have found over a dozen planets that have the same proprieties and are in fact liveable environments for humans. Only thing is they are so far away, are you gonna sit there and tell me that one person not only made Earth in 7 days, but he made exact twin planets of it as well? It's not logically possible to create life let alone oxygen in 7 days. Mountains don't exploded randomly become there they in fact came into making when Pangaea split and some plates collided pushing the landmasses together and creating the mountains. Oxygen is given off by trees as everyone knows It's not magical nor was it here right away, once plants and trees starting sprouting up then came Oxygen.

Yeah you contradicted yourself, anyone who is Atheist is gonna laugh at your arguments you have persuaded no one in this little tirade you made. You say you won't make them ( as if you can) but that statement in It's self is just wrong lol. You didn't list what it says, all you said was Revelation is the last book of the bible, thank you for stating the obvious. Anyway I know many people could debate what I said, I don't mind this was only to point out how misguided and misinformed some people are. What you believe is what you believe, don't let something so small change your mind, you be who you are, Weather it be Atheist, Christian, Hindu, Islam, Muslim, Satanism, Wicca and any other I left out. Everyone has their own beliefs and to try and force one said belief on someone else is simply wrong.


Have a good day guys.

 

[Hard2bringdown]

Okay 1)read pages 1-10(i think) they were the true discussions,o and 13, i wrote something long but true.

2) a sientific theory is a hypothesis with the purpose of explaining the why behind something, and it is backed up by alot of research and data but at the same time will alaways be open to be decalred false by more research

a scientific law describes an important relationship observed in nature that consistently occurs time and again, in other words it states the what, like declaring a true fact

3) Lets end this thread since people are now fighting instead of discussing views without fighting.

 

[lswhyte123]

I am Atheist.

Why?

I literally did nothing to be atheist. I simply existed. I came into being, I looked around and used my Brain to observe & conclude.


I am an Atheist not because I chose to be but because I chose not to be something else.

 

[Hard2bringdown]

people just dont want to accept the evidence of there being a God
Obviously this universe wasnt created all on its own

This is the point i tried to make a few posts back, sure we understand the concept that there must be something to create something else, but at the same time theres the idea of something coming out of nothing, it can go either way, also we are nobody to be acting like we know if god exists or not, wether he created this world or it was a natural process of asteroids colliding, wether it was a big bang or me flushing my toilet, we are still alive and the only thnigs we know is who we are, what we do and see in our lifes, some knowledge of the outside world, some of space and our own galaxy and the concept of the universe, but thats just it, we barely know anything, how can we be deciding who created what when neither side has any true evidence of it. Not just you but everyone in this thread and the entire world need to understand that the only things we can hold as true are those that we have experienced personally and completley and undeniably understand to the letter and with detail(and thats when science comes in since its our tool to comprehend stuff)

 

[Boba Uchiha]

I have to say that all religions are just stories, and you really can't deny it considering, someone on earth had to have made it up. I dont give myself a title, especially one of religion. How can you follow another mans rule, when they are but just a man themselves. Out of all the religions, I like put hinduism right at the top, simple because they realize that its all made up, they recognize that everyone worships the same god, and it is just reffered to by different names. They also consider their religion as "a way of life" rather than most other religions, claiming that they have the truth.

God is everything, god is nothing, god is this, that, and neither of those things.

God is literally in everything, from the universe, to tiny microscopic organism, it's all the same. I am god, you are god, we are god. We are god witnessing and creating. If you look at it logically, God has to be everything. If you had to put a form of god next to a greater than symbol <.......... Than you would have to leave its side blank, because nothing can be greater than god, so its everything. woo!

Go meditate and go into sage mode, or go fry on some LSD, you will perceive GOD!

 

[Hard2bringdown]

I have to say that all religions are just stories, and you really can't deny it considering, someone on earth had to have made it up. I dont give myself a title, especially one of religion. How can you follow another mans rule, when they are but just a man themselves. Out of all the religions, I like put hinduism right at the top, simple because they realize that its all made up, they recognize that everyone worships the same god, and it is just reffered to by different names. They also consider their religion as "a way of life" rather than most other religions, claiming that they have the truth.

God is everything, god is nothing, god is this, that, and neither of those things.

God is literally in everything, from the universe, to tiny microscopic organism, it's all the same. I am god, you are god, we are god. We are god witnessing and creating. If you look at it logically, God has to be everything. If you had to put a form of god next to a greater than symbol <.......... Than you would have to leave its side blank, because nothing can be greater than god, so its everything. woo!

Go meditate and go into sage mode, or go fry on some LSD, you will perceive GOD!

^This....enough said.

 

[Boba Uchiha]

right on. thanks man. Quick question.

How do I post a Thread?

 

[Shadowslayer]

Too many reason I'm a Strong Athiest (I'd rather you not read if you do not want your faith challenged.)
I was brought up Muslim but I converted to Atheism soon after, then one of my friends brought me into Christianity. Soon after, I'm returned to Atheism.
1. God doesn't show himself and never answers anyone's prayers.
2. It says in the Bible that the only unforgivable sin is to not accept Christ.
- What about all the kids in Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, etc, that are raised in countries who are strictly 99% Muslim. Must they be damned to an eternity of torture granted to them by their "all loving" God?
- Native Americans who didn't even get introduced to Christianity until the 1400's? Do they all have to go and burn in Hell for eternity?
- Does someone who is an incredibly great person but doesn't accept Christ burn in Hell for eternity? By the Christians I've asked, yes, they do.
3. God is supposed to be perfect, omniscient, and everything is supposed to be part of his divine plan. Holocaust? Famine? War?
4. If God was perfect, his creations would be perfect and we're far from perfect. You can say, "But Adam and Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit so we all sin because of them." But you contradict yourself by saying because in the Bible it says, ""The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel 18:20"
5. Religion has been the catalyst of more grief, pain, and death then anything else for humanity.
6. There are so many contradiction in the Bible.
- ON SEEING GOD
"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18
-ON THE POWER OF GOD
"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

7.If you are religious, ask yourself this, what makes your religion so special?
- Let me guess, you were brought up your religion and you simply took what everyone around you fed you. Being indoctrinated by your family and friends right?
- There are hundreds of religions, nothing makes yours special, since most of the people in here are Christian, I'll speak for that one.
- Think the story of Jesus was original? Vishnu, Hindu God, was also born on December 25th to a virgin mother, he was also a carpenter. Hinduism and the story of Vishnu came 2000 years before Christianity.
7.It's simple to see that religion was made by humans to help themselves in different ways.
- People are scared of dying, so they make up things about an afterlife.
- Religions banned homosexuality and masturbation because long ago, humanity was having population problems.
- People are so scared they need something to cling to.
8. Too many things stand against God's perfection, in the Bible he shows signs of jealousy, anger, and wrath.
9. How come none of the Holy Books state anything about scientific breakthrough that we didn't know about yet. If a deity wrote them then he would be all-knowing. How come dinosaurs aren't mentioned? How come atoms and cells aren't mentioned? How come gravity and our solar system being heliocentric isn't mentioned? Because humans wrote it, they didn't know how to answer questions so they made things up.
10. Evolution is much more credible and verifiable then Creationism
- We evolved from Homo Habilis (Hairy humans with larger jaws and smaller brains but with larger imaginations then the animals around them.
- From Homo Habilis, we evolved to Homo Erectus, and so on to Homo Sapien.
- Or you can just believe that a old man made a guy and then took his rib and made a girl.
If you are going to say something, make sure to reply to every point I made, instead of simply disregarding the rest and concentrating on one small argument.
I'm only 14 years old and all these flaws can be identified easily.

Alright lets break this down
1 God shows himself in many ways o people whether if be from acts of kindness, or an angel, or in a dream, from miracles that can be explained, God may not show himself physically yet, the time is coming when he will. God doesn't respond to prayers always in a voice, but in a action or in an instinct to move. Sometimes he'll speak through someone we know or even people we don't know its up to God how he will response to prayers, but I can tell you is he will always react to acts of faith.
2. I believe so don't quote on this as saying this is fact, but I believe that when we die we will all stand before Jesus and he will ask those who haven't known him, and those who have even refused to know him. To believe in him and accept him as their savior. I don't God will ever give up on trying to be save as many of his people as he can.
3The Holocaust, and all of the other horrible things that have happened through time are a result of sin and sin alone. When we fell we introduce sin into our lives and sin has been distorting us ever since. But what you should understand is that God will use every bad thing in your life for a greater purpose if we have faith in him.
4 God gave us our free will, our will to choose for ourselves instead of just choosing what we are told to choose. So when Satan came to Eve saying that she wouldn't die from the fruit she chose to believe Satan over God, and in turn Adam chose to believe Eve over God. God gave us the will to choose because he wants us to choose him willingly, and not just because we were told to.
5 Yes in yes past and even now people have used religion to cause alot of grief in this world. But is mans doing and not Gods, but for every wrong that has been committed through religion that has been alot of miracles, and slot of good deeds that have come from it too.
6. No man has seen God physically before, but those verse you are referring to are a man seen God in the world around him, and the miracle that God done . it was talking about Judha driving out the people of the mountain no God
7a. What makes us special is God and God alone we do everything on to the Lord, and its that plain and simple. The belief in God predates way before Jesus was even born, and the prophecy of the savior being born of a virgin too. Are there similarities yes, but there also many ways to view the same God.
7b. Humanity wasn't haven't problems with population problems its just not natural for people of the same *** to be with one another, and have intimate relations simple truth. Are we scared yes, but won't you rather believe and know that this life is just the beginning of a great novel, than a short story.
8. Just because he has emotions doesn't mean he isn't perfect, he is also our father, and will punish us as any father would do when his children have done something wrong.
9 and 10. That's because it's not a story about the world, or a play by play of how the world started. The Bible a story about how we reconcile our relationship with God. God starts off the Bible from the family line he is going to use to reconcile, and bring us closer to him. What people don't seem to understand is that the explanation of how God created the universe isn't a exact detailed account of what really happened. Its just an overview, because that part isn't important to the overall message of the Bible.

I hope I answered you in a way you could understand and fill free to ask anymore questions that come up or things you think I still didn't cover