It would be a hard match for jiraiya but with gamabunta and sage mode he has all the tool for win that fight.
hiruko isn't be a big problem ,a rasengan is enough .
sasori's attack like these one can be dodge with a good speed or a good defense.
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chiyo had a shield of chakra,jiraiya has also Needle Jizō that is endowed with a capacity to injure and kill on par with that of metallic weapons.
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about satetsu ,
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sakura didn't got much damage apart 2-3 scratch and she didn't have any shield. ,yes it's enough to get affected by the poision but Needle Jizō can again permit jiraiya to not got a scratch. that defensive technique is very usefull against sasori.
whatever jiraiya would need time to enter in sage mode to for his security in addition of Needle Jizō and he will mostly need to attack .
To enter in sagemode jiraiya can use his sound genjutsu but some people thinks that sasori isn't affect so so it's not 100% sure that it works or not.an other way to find the time needed to enter in sage mode (diversion,clones,hidding in frog's stomach...)
SM will permit to increase his speed and strengh.he'd have obviousely no problem with his incredible speed and strengh to take the 3rd kazekage puppet down with a punch like sakura.
now sasori show his real apparence .
his long range weapon atack like on that page won't works against a jiraiya at full power ,he'll dodge it easily .
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jiraiya's physical strengh in sage mode won't help to kill sasori since sasori can reform his body
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once sasori summon his puppet army,jjiraiya would summon gamabunta and go on top of him.He can erase the field of these puppets with his his Katon: Gamayu Endan that use gamabunta's oil in sage mode ,it's a big scale jutsu enough to erase the puppets .
note : sage mode increase ninjutsu's strengh ,last time he used it was not in sage mode .
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Senpō: Goemon can also be usefull for puppets
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the harder part for jiraiya is to find sasori's secret ,like against pein ...
he has ma and paa near him so i think that they'll see this "sceal circle" on sasori's core .
if sasori's transfert his core by using his chakra ,jiraiya in sage mode would not have problem to sense his chakra ,so a surpise attack from sasori is impossible like when he did to sakura.
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jiraiya can kill sasori by using Chōōdama Rasengan that is said enough powerfullit would easily hollow out an entire mountain.
Ive already argued everything you have said and even gave jiraiya sm from the start. If you look at the location, a big summoning cannot be used, not to forget iron sand can shield sasori.
You say a rasengan alone would take care of scorpion for, you serious?. That form alone is very difficult. It would be wise not to try a close range fight with it due to its many traps
Flaming attacks deflect gaseous attacks(Sakura used explosive note on Sasori's poison gas and Guy used morning peacock flaming punches to defend against the Six Tails acidic gas) so fire techs will work against poison gas
Hair will sheild senbon and swords(it once stopped Kusanagi even)
Swamp of the underworld will sink scorpion puppet(it cant float like the others)
Lion Mane Technique will dismantle Third Kazekage will its still creating and shaping Iron Sand.(it tore a giant crab to pieces)
Large fire-oil combo with Bunta will destroy entire puppet army and deflect Large Iron sand attack and destroy Third Kazekage and Sasori leaving no room for dodging(it is many times the size of Bunta)
P.S- Jiraiya can use Swamp of the Underworld to sink one of the people maintaining the barrier so that he'll have space for Bunta.
Naruto used SM agains 3rd raikage cause of it makes reflexes and speed better, Sasori doesnt have attacks even close to raikages speed. Jiraiya should be able to get trought all Sasoris attacks, and he has power to destroy every puppet. So with better speed, reflexes, power in taijutsu i think Jiraiya takes this, not easily but it should be in hes favor.
The reason sakura survived has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with the fact that she was controlled by a high level puppet user. Whilst i agree that sm jiriaya can break the 3rd with a punch, it isnt as easy as that because it can defend itself with the iron sand, but also due to his numerous poison infused weapons, it wouldnt be a good idea to try close combat
yea I know that's how sakura survived, but I'm saying SM jiraiya has a better chance of evading attacks then a chiyo controlled sakura. If SM gives enough threat perception for naruto to be able to dodge the 3rd raikages hell finger stab, I think jiraiya can dodge sasoris attacks. Iron sand can be broken/pushed away. An odama (sp?) rasengan could crush the 3rd with his own sand if he gets hit by it.
I go for Jiraiya in SM since you gave him that advantage from the start,because Jiraiya would be fast enough(plus spidey sense) to dodge all of Sasori's attacks.
yea I know that's how sakura survived, but I'm saying SM jiraiya has a better chance of evading attacks then a chiyo controlled sakura. If SM gives enough threat perception for naruto to be able to dodge the 3rd raikages hell finger stab, I think jiraiya can dodge sasoris attacks. Iron sand can be broken/pushed away. An odama (sp?) rasengan could crush the 3rd with his own sand if he gets hit by it.
Again a puppet user is what alloed her to evade everything and even she got poisoned. Also whilst the 3rd raikage is one person, sasori's is like 300+ people. You cannot tell me jiriaya can evade all of untouched U_U. Not to forget they are unpredictable
Ive already argued everything you have said and even gave jiraiya sm from the start. If you look at the location, a big summoning cannot be used, not to forget iron sand can shield sasori.
You say a rasengan alone would take care of scorpion for, you serious?. That form alone is very difficult. It would be wise not to try a close range fight with it due to its many traps
sasori can summon an army of puppet but a big summon can't be used? the 4 sound put a chakra barreer when hiruzen fought orochimaru ,there is no reason that jiraiya won't be able to use gamabunta...
a punch from sakura destroyed it,why would a rasengan not destroy that scorpion?
a chidori is above sakura's punch and a rasengan is above a chidori.
there an overview of an inexperienced naruto's rasengan
sasori can summon an army of puppet but a big summon can't be used? the 4 sound for put a chakra barreer when hiruzen fought orochimaru ,there is no reason that jiraiay won't be able to use gamabunta...
a punch from sakura destroyed it,why would a rasengan not destroy that scorpion?
a chidori is above sakura's punch and a rasengan is above a chidori.
there an overview of an inexperienced naruto's rasengan
Where oro fought sarutobi isnt big enough to house gamabunta.
Even that ive already said that iron sand should shield sasori from that fire tech. Anyway jiraiya can one hit k.o the scorpion form, but due to its traps alone, it wouldnt be smart to come in close range. In order for jiraiya to one hit k.o it, he must be willing/confident that he can dodge all of its traps and personally i dont think he can. Best option is a fast, long range technique
Again a puppet user is what alloed her to evade everything and even she got poisoned. Also whilst the 3rd raikage is one person, sasori's is like 300+ people. You cannot tell me jiriaya can evade all of untouched U_U. Not to forget they are unpredictable
yea I get the bolded, but what I'm saying is jiraiya has a better reaction time and threat perception then chiyo controlling sakura, not to mention more speed. No it wouldn't flat out take down 300 puppets, but he can easily thin the ranks. Sasori can control all those puppets but he cant control all of them in advanced manor like chiyo did with her 10. Sasoris puppets are more of a numbers > skill
Where oro fought sarutobi isnt big enough to house gamabunta.
Even that ive already said that iron sand should shield sasori from that fire tech. Anyway jiraiya can one hit k.o the scorpion form, but due to its traps alone, it wouldnt be smart to come in close range. In order for jiraiya to one hit k.o it, he must be willing/confident that he can dodge all of its traps and personally i dont think he can. Best option is a fast, long range technique
i didn't say that jiraiya would use that fire combo against iron,he'd use physical strengh to destroy 3rd kazekage puppet then he'd use that fire combo for the puppets army.
i doubt that sasori can summon,control and defend properly with he summon all his army in complement of 3rd kazekage.
controling 100 puppets and iron sand's shape for defense and attack in same time isn't a skill that sasori showed .
yea I get the bolded, but what I'm saying is jiraiya has a better reaction time and threat perception then chiyo controlling sakura, not to mention more speed. No it wouldn't flat out take down 300 puppets, but he can easily thin the ranks. Sasori can control all those puppets but he cant control all of them in advanced manor like chiyo did with her 10. Sasoris puppets are more of a numbers > skill
i didn't say that jiraiya would use that fire combo against iron,he'd use physical strengh to destroy 3rd kazekage puppet then he'd use that fire combo for the puppets army.
i doubt that sasori can summon,control and defend properly with he summon all his army in complement of 3rd kazekage.
controling 100 puppets and iron sand's shape for defense and attack in same time isn't a skill that sasori showed.
Sasori controls his 100+ puppets with his chest/heart, whilst with the 3rd kazekage he uses the chakra in his hand. I dont see why he cannot use both simultaneously. Anyway fair enough if you believe jiraiya would win
This would go back to the can sasoris puppets scratch jiraiya in SM. and for the 100 puppet technique, couldn't jiraiya just use his sage art senbon (I forget the actual name of the jutsu). jiraiya showed its lethality against pain (the body would've been destroyed if not for the panda shield). regardless I think this is a stalemate, neither of us will admit the other is wrong hahaha
This would go back to the can sasoris puppets scratch jiraiya in SM. and for the 100 puppet technique, couldn't jiraiya just use his sage art senbon (I forget the actual name of the jutsu). jiraiya showed its lethality against pain (the body would've been destroyed if not for the panda shield). regardless I think this is a stalemate, neither of us will admit the other is wrong hahaha
I think itd be a draw tbh, i dnt think the j man can dodge like chiyo culd, being a puppet user she probably knew just how the senbon would spread and fly, but his attacks are powerful in sm so i say he is poisoned but takes sasori out
So long that Jiriaya doesn't start in Sage Mode, Sasori has the stronger chance for victory, in my opinion. However, Jiriaya will have the advantage in the beginning, becuase Hiruko is a tank puppet centered around defense while scorning evasion, whereas Jiriaya has very powerful ninjutsu that is best avoided.
To that end, landing the Rasengan, Ranjishigami, or having a large toad use its mass for significant impact would inevitably shatter Hiruko, although to Sasori's benefit, Hiruko's cluster bomb would most likely result in Jiriaya having to sacrifice one of his summons as a meat shield to the poisonous explosive mechanism.
Then the battle becomes less predictable. Unlike with Chiyo and Sakura, Jiraiya's power would be made evident and supplement his grandiose reputation as a legendary Sannin. For this reason, I believe Sasori would immediately bring out his Kazekage puppet, possibly in conjunction with his puppet army.
I do not believe that the toads possess the agility to evade Satetsu for long, but I do think that Gambabuta would survive long enough to use his enormous oil attack that can be ignited with Jiriaya's katon. However, there is a lesser known usage to Satetsu, as it provides both offense and defense (Satetsu: Kaihō.)
Jiriaya's katon would effectively obliterate Sasori unless Sasori formed a worthy defense with Satetsu. We've seen Sasori form all sorts of shapes, and throwing up an iron shield to block the katon before swiftly counter attacking would be unsurprising. Once the toads are down, then Satetsu: Shigure is a finisher.
However, in a scenario where Jiriaya begins in Sage Mode, then Jiriaya's bolstered speed and ninjutsu would likely result in Chōōdama Rasengan annihilating Hiruko, with Sasori barely escaping, before immediately pressuring Sasori with other monstrous ninjutsu, perpetually pressuring Sasori.
And while it would still be possible for Satetsu to be used defensively and then eventually scratch Jiriaya, the Sannin's increased speed and ninjutsu power would make Sasori's job far more difficult to accomplish, and makes this fight Jiriaya's to win. Sasori could hang in there, but he'd be the underdog.
Given the location though, Jiriaya's dependence on summons would initially be reduced, as he would be disinclined to use godzilla-like amphibians in his village. Consequently, I favor Sasori here, because toad meat shields are Jiriaya's best defense against Satetsu (as I don't think Hari Jizō would hold.)
