It's stated in databook 3 that the odama rasengan is strong enough to hollow a mountain. Jiraiya also has plenty of summons he could use. Have you also forgotten Jiraiya's toad mouth trap jutsu? He could use that to restrain Sasori's movements. He also has a jutsu called needle jizo which extends his hair and can block all kinds of weapons.
You're severely underestimating Jiraiya if you think Sasori can win this easily.
Not underrating jiraiya, nor do i think sasori would win this easily. I do believe he would win, but not easily. Weve seen how big adama rasengan is it. Im sure in the same data book its said amaertasu is as hot as the sun U_U. I do agree that the toad mouth would cause problems, but its whether he'd have the time to get on his knees to use it, not to forget he isnt exactly invisible whilst in its mouth. I do agree that his hair can restrain some of the puppets, but how many exactly
Water release? His water and fire come from the scrolls on his back, he doesnt actually have the water affinity, he just has that water sealed into the scrolls so when the scrolls were used up so was his water. If he did it would be mentioned here
A mountain?, lets calm down. Its massive yes, but not that big.
Anyway do you think he can go through the scorpion, 3rd kazekage, 100+ puppets then sasori himself, without getting poisoned or paralysed?. If yes then thats your answer
What I wanna know is can his regular attacks (senbons, swords, etc) scratch him in SM. Since SM is supposed to give you higher threat perception and harder skin (shown when naruto breaks pains chakra rod), could jiraiya dodge the attacks/be hurt by them if he does get hit?
You made the starting distance 50 m. Intent is to kill.... the amount of poison it takes to kill/affect a target depends on the size of the target as well.
What I wanna know is can his regular attacks (senbons, swords, etc) scratch him in SM. Since SM is supposed to give you higher threat perception and harder skin (shown when naruto breaks pains chakra rod), could jiraiya dodge the attacks/be hurt by them if he does get hit?
Sm gives great durability, but it isnt exactly immune to attacks. Sm jriaiya got his arm blown off. His chest stabbed. His throat crushed, his back impaled by several chakra receivers
You made the starting distance 50 m. Intent is to kill.... the amount of poison it takes to kill/affect a target depends on the size of the target as well.
Whislt thats true, it also depends on how many scratches it gets forgetting that sasori has all types of posion. He has the once that take 3 days, whilst he has others that take alot less time
In SM he can use a 3 element combo attack. Pa uses his oil, J-mans fire and Ma uses her wind to increase its effectiveness, just like they did against pain. Simple water wont stop a wave of molten oil
And @blaze I know that, but I mean could his regular senbon scratch him? Pains attacks were incredibly powerful, while sasoris attacks are more fast and numerous instead of just brute force (minus the giant iron sand attacks). I know that he can get injured, just does sasori have enough power behind his attacks to cause enough damage to hurt him in SM
In SM he can use a 3 element combo attack. Pa uses his oil, J-mans fire and Ma uses her wind to increase its effectiveness, just like they did against pain. Simple water wont stop a wave of molten oil
Sm gives great durability, but it isnt exactly immune to attacks. Sm jriaiya got his arm blown off. His chest stabbed. His throat crushed, his back impaled by several chakra receivers
Whislt thats true, it also depends on how many scratches it gets forgetting that sasori has all types of posion. He has the once that take 3 days, whilst he has others that take alot less time
And you are saying that gamabunta will sustain enough scratches and will by paralyzed by the poison before he even pulls off one attack, an attack that is fired from long-range, meaning gama will be jumping way back, creating a big distance between him and whatever puppets sasori is using.
Why not? Jiraiya has strength enough to one-shot the scorpion in sage mode, can make clones in sage mode, is much-faster than sakura in base, let alone sage mode, has powerful long range attacks.
If sakura can dodge the iron-sand, I really don't see why sage jiraiya who is much much faster, can't do it. Plus he doesn't even have to get up close to destroy the puppets as he has a lot of powerful long-range techs.
And you are saying that gamabunta will sustain enough scratches and will by paralyzed by the poison before he even pulls off one attack, an attack that is fired from long-range, meaning gama will be jumping way back, creating a big distance between him and whatever puppets sasori is using.
Why not? Jiraiya has strength enough to one-shot the scorpion in sage mode, can make clones in sage mode, is much-faster than sakura in base, let alone sage mode, has powerful long range attacks.
If sakura can dodge the iron-sand, I really don't see why sage jiraiya who is much much faster, can't do it. Plus he doesn't even have to get up close to destroy the puppets as he has a lot of powerful long-range techs.
Going by the location alone i dont see gamabunta, a massive summoning playing a part. Do i believe he has a strong potent poison/paralysis enough to stop gamabunta before he combines with jiraiya yes. That off course is if, the 3rd kazekgae isnt involved who can use his iron sand to protect sasori.
You talk about sakura yet forget that another puppet master was controlling her. Thats why she survived and even she got poisoned and stabbed U_U.
Sasori's scorpion form alone has enough traps alone to poison jiriaya if he does come close range
And you are saying that gamabunta will sustain enough scratches and will by paralyzed by the poison before he even pulls off one attack, an attack that is fired from long-range, meaning gama will be jumping way back, creating a big distance between him and whatever puppets sasori is using.
Why not? Jiraiya has strength enough to one-shot the scorpion in sage mode, can make clones in sage mode, is much-faster than sakura in base, let alone sage mode, has powerful long range attacks.
If sakura can dodge the iron-sand, I really don't see why sage jiraiya who is much much faster, can't do it. Plus he doesn't even have to get up close to destroy the puppets as he has a lot of powerful long-range techs.
Thats what Im thinking, Sage jiraiya has incredibly high threat perception. If a chiyo controlled sakura can dodge the attacks, jiraiya can with ease. If the location can support bunta or another large toad, I think it would help too. Bunta is highly mobile, he could dodge (to a point) the puppets and use his water bullet like he did against the shukaku. Not to mention it gives jiraiya another source for his oil + fire combo, which will atleast keep sasori at bay
Sasori FTW, but merely for the poison weapons. Jiraiya could possiblely dodge them, but it might not be enough. It only takes one strike from Sasori to take Jiraiya out with poison. Even if Sasori puppet body was to be destroyed than Sasori could still transfer his vessel into another puppet.
If jiraiya was to use that, sasori would be forced to change body, because hiruko mode is vulnerable to that. As for the 3rd, his sand can easily block that oil tech and create a barrier
If jiraiya was to use that, sasori would be forced to change body, because hiruko mode is vulnerable to that. As for the 3rd, his sand can easily block that oil tech and create a barrier
I can accept the sand block! hahaha, but its shown all it takes to drop the 3rd is one strong punch. Chiyo was able to navigate sakura and get to the 3rd, I think jiraiyas SM has much higher threat perception then chiyo I believe he could get through the iron sand and he just needs to use his kumite to crush the 3rd puppet
It would be a hard match for jiraiya but with gamabunta and sage mode he has all the tool for win that fight.
hiruko isn't be a big problem ,a rasengan is enough .
sasori's attack like these one can be dodge with a good speed or a good defense.
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chiyo had a shield of chakra,jiraiya has also Needle Jizō that is endowed with a capacity to injure and kill on par with that of metallic weapons.
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about satetsu ,
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sakura didn't got much damage apart 2-3 scratch and she didn't have any shield. ,yes it's enough to get affected by the poision but Needle Jizō can again permit jiraiya to not got a scratch. that defensive technique is very usefull against sasori.
whatever jiraiya would need time to enter in sage mode to for his security in addition of Needle Jizō and he will mostly need to attack .
To enter in sagemode jiraiya can use his sound genjutsu but some people thinks that sasori isn't affect so so it's not 100% sure that it works or not.an other way to find the time needed to enter in sage mode (diversion,clones,hidding in frog's stomach...)
SM will permit to increase his speed and strengh.he'd have obviousely no problem with his incredible speed and strengh to take the 3rd kazekage puppet down with a punch like sakura.
now sasori show his real apparence .
his long range weapon atack like on that page won't works against a jiraiya at full power ,he'll dodge it easily .
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jiraiya's physical strengh in sage mode won't help to kill sasori since sasori can reform his body
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once sasori summon his puppet army,jjiraiya would summon gamabunta and go on top of him.He can erase the field of these puppets with his his Katon: Gamayu Endan that use gamabunta's oil in sage mode ,it's a big scale jutsu enough to erase the puppets .
note : sage mode increase ninjutsu's strengh ,last time he used it was not in sage mode .
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Senpō: Goemon can also be usefull for puppets
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the harder part for jiraiya is to find sasori's secret ,like against pein ...
he has ma and paa near him so i think that they'll see this "sceal circle" on sasori's core .
if sasori's transfert his core by using his chakra ,jiraiya in sage mode would not have problem to sense his chakra ,so a surpise attack from sasori is impossible like when he did to sakura.
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jiraiya can kill sasori by using Chōōdama Rasengan that is said enough powerfullit would easily hollow out an entire mountain.
I can accept the sand block! hahaha, but its shown all it takes to drop the 3rd is one strong punch. Chiyo was able to navigate sakura and get to the 3rd, I think jiraiyas SM has much higher threat perception then chiyo I believe he could get through the iron sand and he just needs to use his kumite to crush the 3rd puppet
The reason sakura survived has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with the fact that she was controlled by a high level puppet user. Whilst i agree that sm jiriaya can break the 3rd with a punch, it isnt as easy as that because it can defend itself with the iron sand, but also due to his numerous poison infused weapons, it wouldnt be a good idea to try close combat
