[Spoilers] BB's Yammi Yammi against Armament Haki

[windrider]

Hello boa sama,love cook san and long nose kun .Thanks to you ,I feel obliged to actively participate in Narutobase forums.I have only been a passive member for 4 years just reading forums .

OK Let me get straight to the point .I have been re-watching the BB fight with Ace ,BB fight with white beard and sengoku .
Ace ,White beard and sengoku are well known Haki Users .White Beard is known to be the best of armament Haki users.We also saw how he was able to imbue his gaint weapon with haki that in turn was causing havok in war. My question is that if they were haki users why their attacks was absorbed by Yami yami ? I felt that yami yami even had the power to absorb the attacks imbued with haki .At the end White beard was about to use haki (that white ball thingie ) but BB countered it with is Yami yami .It did seem to absorb it or white beard passed out before that.

BB got hit only when he is not using his Yami yami.But when he was using his Yami yami ,he seemed invincible .The fight between Ace and BB also brought one more question to my mind or rather a confusion .

If Ace had Armament haki ,Can he imbue along with is logia ability ? or can any logia user use Armament Haki when they in logia form ?(Am speaking about logia users alone ,not paramecia or zoan since we have already seen them imbuing their respective devil fruit ability with haki) .If logia users can use haki along with their logia element ,then Ace should have been able to imbue his haki in his fire and there by defeating BB yami yami. If this is not the case ,then it leads to 3 different possibilities

1.BB also has a good amount of haki which i doubt he had at that time.
2.Yami Yami fruit as the ability to absorb even haki imbued elemental attacks .
3. Armament haki cannot be used along with a logia element .Eg you can't imbue armament haki over fire to make it more fire xd or spirit fire or something .

 

[Roy]

The "white ball" you call haki was Whitebeard's devil fruit ability, not haki.

 

[Nikos150]

i don't think Haki nullifys devil fruit power, you are just able to touch or make the part of the logia user you touch solid, not his whole body, and no BB isn't invincible , while BB was using yami yami powers to ace, ace used his fire abilities too and injured BB. so i suppose BB power nullifies DF powers only when he touch his opponent

 

[Boa Hancock]

Umm, I'm just gonna say this.

IMO, Ace had Haki, had the potential, but was the prime example of a "logia who thought he was invincible but has a short lifespan." He never displayed the use of Haki as evidenced against Blackbeard, then again it's kinda hard to know when a character uses Haki. The biggest evidence I would have though is the Akainu fight. If Ace had Haki, he could have easily blocked Akainu's fist even with the elemental disadvantage. But since he didn't utilize Haki or was bad at it, he got a hole in his chest and died.

So I think Ace never had Haki. That's why it's a moot point to argue over this since we have next to zero feats for a competent Haki user to fight Blackbeard on panel.

 

[Lord Snow]

Whitebeard is the best and marco second, always remember that.

 

[Hamish44]

um that 'white ball thingie' was his fruit's ability not haki.
all BB's yami yami fruit does is to stop other fruit abilities when he touches them.
therefore haki will not be stopped by it.
i am however interested to see what happens when Luffy uses his fruit aswell as haki when attacking BB.

 

[Nikos150]

The biggest evidence I would have though is the Akainu fight. If Ace had Haki, he could have easily blocked Akainu's fist even with the elemental disadvantage. But since he didn't utilize Haki or was bad at it, he got a hole in his chest and died.

i think that ace "turned off" his devil fruit powers at that time so that he could block akainus attack against luffy.

 

[Love Cook]

The "white ball" you call haki was Whitebeard's devil fruit ability, not haki.

I think the ball was some kind of haki which contained quakes. His ability is to create quakes. I don't think it's logical to be able to make a ball out of vibrations.

Besides we've seen him use it a couple of times on the point of his weapon.

So I think it's kinda the same as the haki rubber moves of Luffy. Whitebeard uses haki to further develop his gura gura no mi.

And I feel proud I dragged Windrider into the One Piece section.

 

[Hyperion]

The only known Haki Ace had/used was Haoshoku, and that was done so unconsciously.

Like Boa stated, he was more than likely one of the many Logia who thought they were invincible yet failed against Haki.

According to OP Wikia, Luffy is the only person shown to imbue Haki(Busoshoku) with his DF.

EDIT: Because I can...

 

[Boa Hancock]

i think that ace "turned off" his devil fruit powers at that time so that he could block akainus attack against luffy.

Except that he could have done that using Busoshoku and not die in the first place, maybe with his arm?

 

[windrider]

I think the ball was some kind of haki which contained quakes. His ability is to create quakes. I don't think it's logical to be able to make a ball out of vibrations.

Besides we've seen him use it a couple of times on the point of his weapon.

So I think it's kinda the same as the haki rubber moves of Luffy. Whitebeard uses haki to further develop his gura gura no mi.

And I feel proud I dragged Windrider into the One Piece section.

Love you love cook san ,The was not his DF ability ,it was pure haki ,We saw how he crushed Akainu logia body using that .we also saw him using squekequake against Akoji which was his DF ability .

I am strongly believing that Logia users cannot use armament haki along with their DF logia abilities. Else Ace would have pawned BB ,if his fire did had haki in it .It is not even logical to conclude that fire would be imbued with armament haki why ? cause fire is a subtle element not a gross element .Earth,sand,rubber even ice comes under gross element .ie that which has form and shape and which could be felt with the 5 senses .That is the reason ,even weapons where able to be imbued with haki like the kuja warriors ,WB ,shanks etc.
On the other hand we logia users who who could use fire ,magma,lightning .But is it possible to imbue a subtle element with Haki ? or rather very difficult to use haki with subtle elements .This is why I believe Ace lost to BB cause he can't imbue fire with armament haki .