Sasuke's Sharingan Isn't Overpowered.

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

Good post. I still believe the ms and ems is overpowered tho.

Thanks. And That's Fine, Everyone Is Entitled To His/Her Opinion.

 

[Baka Sennin]

It is a very well written post. i woulnd't say sasuke's sharingan is overpowered. but the dojutsu is.

base abilities- read movements, case genjutsu directly through the eye without handseals, see through genjutsu much easier, copy techniques

that alone is insanely powerful, even for a kg.

then there's the ms- amaterasu,tsukuyomi,susanoo,kamui,KA- all insanely powerful techniques with the drawback of eventual blindness, and pain with using the first 3 techniques.

then there's the ems, which removes all those drawbacks and is rumoured to add a fourth technique.

and if that weren't enough, a person who has the ems can possibly evolve it to the rinnegan, with the ability to switch back and forth between the two eyes and their techniques. a sole rinnegan user was able to solo the strongest village.

now i won't say sasuke hasn't trained for it: he's trained his 3-rd tomoe extensively under orochimaru for 3 years, or he wouldnt be able to break itachi's tsukuyomi with just a normal sharingan. but activating and improving ms is just down to emotion and hatred, his susanoo actually improved a level because danzo taunted him. after the 3rd tomoe to ems it was all freebies, and very powerful ones at that. no doubt sasuke will awaken the rinnegan vs naruto too

 

[Retsu]

It was OP the day plot somehow allowed him to absorb orochimaru using the sharingan

 

[Solo]

Sasuke has been fighting recklessly his past few battles. IMO Sasuke hasn't been using his head. He's rushing into battle thinking he'll win because of Sharingan.

Like Zetsu said, "The Sharingan is a Ninja's tool, it's only as strong as the wielder".

Theoretically speaking.. the people Sasuke's fought isn't your everyday Ninja, but actually Top Dogs. How would people like Sakura, TenTen, Kiba, Shino,(Even) Neji, and other Ninja's who isn't as powerful.

Unlike them, they don't have a Tailed-Beast to break them out of Genjutsu, possibly the speed to dodge Amaterasu, or Sharingan's Forbidden Technique, Izanagi to go head to head with Susanoo.

True, it's drawbacks to using the Sharingan/MS, but only a couple can drag a fight out long enough with a Sharingan user for that to take effect.

Sharingan even reversed the effects of Impure World Resurrection.

Sasuke's Sharingan overpowered? No.
Sharingan overpowered? Ehh... somewhat.
Sharingan overused? Hell yeah!

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

+rep Sick thread bro.

Thanks For The +Rep And Support, I Really Appreciate It.

 

[Frozenstein]

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I've read quite a few threads on these topics (referring either to Sasuke or his Kekkai Genkai, the Sharingan, or both), and while a vast majority have agreed that at this point in the series, the Sharingan is an overpowered technique, I'll be taking the opposing viewpoint; that is, that it isn't. This is merely one person's opinion, and I'm certainly not aiming to change your minds; if anything, I hope at least one of my points influences some of you view things from a different perspective.

Now, whether it was Narutopedia, Wikipedia, or another Anime/Manga based website, most of you already know of the Sharingan's impressive abilities; and for the faithful viewers who've watched/read the series from episode 1 up to now, you've all seen the changes Sasuke's Sharingan has undergone, from it's initial form during the battle with Haku, to it's final form during the final battle with Naruto, to the Mangekyo form achieved after being told the truth about his brother Itachi, and most recently, the Eternal Mangekyo that Sasuke now possesses. What I'm having trouble understanding is how soo many people can say so simply that it's overpowered, especially if you've seen/read all of Sasuke's battles involving his use of the Sharingan - the last time I checked, very few of those battles were easy ones.

Example 1: Sasuke Vs. Rock Lee
While his Sharingan was only in its secondary stage, Sasuke still wasn't able to beat Lee, even with the ability to perceive Lee's movements, because his body wasn't quick enough to react accordingly. In this case, even though Sasuke possessed the superior ability, the Sharingan was useless during this battle.

Example 2: Sasuke Vs. Naruto
When facing Naruto at the Valley of the End, after his Sharingan entered its complete stage, Sasuke did have the edge over Naruto, but he still wasn't impervious to attacks (Naruto was still able to drag him under water with his clones and sling him into the rocks) Also, once Naruto activated the Fox shroud, his Sharingan wasn't able to read all of Naruto's movements in order to avoid all of the attacks (partly due to the shroud attacking on it's own) Again, in this case, the Sharingan wasn't invincible.

Example 3: Sasuke Vs. Killer Bee
2 Years later, even after having completely mastered the Sharingan, and with access to the Mangekyo, Sasuke nonetheless struggled to take down Killer Bee (Or rather, 1 tentacle of Bee's Tailed Beast). Even with the Sharingan's amazing clarity of perception, and Sasuke's skill with it, he still couldn't keep track of Bee's blades, and wound up getting impaled; using Tsukuyomi also proved nearly fatal, as he would've lost his life after taking Bee's Lariat, were it not for Jugo's quick thinking.

Example 4: Sasuke Vs. Raikage
In this battle, the Mangekyo was used more than the orginal Sharingan, and yet, Sasuke still couldn't bring down the Raikage. He couldn't track his movements due to the Raikage's Lighting-Style Body Flicker Technique, and while his strategy of using Amaterasu with his Susano'o ribcage seemed foolproof, the Raikage instantly changed our perception of that idea (though at the cost of his arm).

"Okay, that may be true, but look at the techniques Sasuke has at his disposal - Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, & most importantly, Susano'o - Don't you think they're a little too much?" Is the reply I expect from some of you, and I do agree, those techniques are insanely powerful, and are my favorite ones, to be perfectly honest. However, all three of share a near-fatal consequence, the loss of one's sight, which is, obviously important for someone with that Kekkai Genkai. Each and every time Itachi/Sasuke have used those abilities, their eyesight has suffered drastically, and Susano'o has the greatest drawback, since it draws its power not only from chakra, but from the very life force of its user as well.

With all that being said, anyone who has read/watched the series and is aware of all of this, shouldn't be so quick to say that the Sharingan is an overpowered Kekkei Genkai. It is a powerful ability, no doubt, but it does have it's limitations, and the MS has severe drawbacks; furthermore, as Zetsu said during Sasuke's battle with Itachi, 'The strength of the Sharingan depends on the skill of its user' - If that is the case, it only goes to show that Sasuke and Itachi are quite adept with their use of this ability.

Now, in terms of the Eternal Mangekyo, I can agree with the statement that it is overpowered, considering it possesses no current drawbacks (at least not that have been revealed yet). However, until Sasuke makes his appearance in the manga, the jury is out for this one.

Feel free to leave your opinions, comments, or rebuttals; I'll do my best to answer/comment on them.

sorry, but I have to disagree. the sharingan itself is overpowered and this includes Sasuke's too. the ability to copy every non kg nin/gen/tai/kenjutsu itself is strong. + it can predict movements, guarantee clear sight, cast powerful genjutsu, allows the user to recognise genjutsu, can evolve into MS/EMS which gives the user insane jutsus (Susanoo, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Kamui) and then somehow evolve into rinnegan and still it's not overpowered?

1. his sharingan copied Lee's movements, but because of Sasuke's weakness (doesn't have the speed to react) he couldn't take advantage of this ability.

2. this is an interesting example. the sharingan's main weakness is it's blind spots (like attack from underwater) and also it can only predict solid things movements (muscle movemenets, etc.), but here comes to the front Sasuke's inability to use the sharingan properly and also his lack of skill/speed etc. for example he could hardly keep up with Naruto's chakra shroud, but he could easily dodge Naruto's physical attacks due to the movement predict ability.

3. in this example I roughly agree. he couldn't predict Bee's blades movements because there were 9 of them at the same time and he couldn't see all of them at the same time. (like I said blind spots) about that lariat thing I'm not sure. (I don't remember every detail) he thought he won the fight and lowered his guard, that's why he got damage.

4. no wonder he couldn't match with A. after all he was the fastest shinobi that time. also Sasuke was too stupid and used too much his MS techs.

I agree it has drawbacks and weak points (like blind spots, losing sight with MS, exhausting), but a skilled user could minimalise these effects. as you said it's a "ninja tool", a very powerful ninja tool, but it's not the tool's fault someone can't use it properly. you bring up Sasuke, but he wasn't that good with his sharingan. look at Shishui, Itachi or Madara. they use the sharingan too, but still they are somewhat stronger than Sasuke.

so all in all, the sharingan is still overpowered, just like the rinnegan or dust release or other insanely powerful techs, but still only as good as the user.

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

sorry, but I have to disagree. the sharingan itself is overpowered and this includes Sasuke's too. the ability to copy every non kg nin/gen/tai/kenjutsu itself is strong. + it can predict movements, guarantee clear sight, cast powerful genjutsu, allows the user to recognise genjutsu, can evolve into MS/EMS which gives the user insane jutsus (Susanoo, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Kamui) and then somehow evolve into rinnegan and still it's not overpowered?

1. his sharingan copied Lee's movements, but because of Sasuke's weakness (doesn't have the speed to react) he couldn't take advantage of this ability.

2. this is an interesting example. the sharingan's main weakness is it's blind spots (like attack from underwater) and also it can only predict solid things movements (muscle movemenets, etc.), but here comes to the front Sasuke's inability to use the sharingan properly and also his lack of skill/speed etc. for example he could hardly keep up with Naruto's chakra shroud, but he could easily dodge Naruto's physical attacks due to the movement predict ability.

3. in this example I roughly agree. he couldn't predict Bee's blades movements because there were 9 of them at the same time and he couldn't see all of them at the same time. (like I said blind spots) about that lariat thing I'm not sure. (I don't remember every detail) he thought he won the fight and lowered his guard, that's why he got damage.

4. no wonder he couldn't match with A. after all he was the fastest shinobi that time. also Sasuke was too stupid and used too much his MS techs.

I agree it has drawbacks and weak points (like blind spots, losing sight with MS, exhausting), but a skilled user could minimalise these effects. as you said it's a "ninja tool", a very powerful ninja tool, but it's not the tool's fault someone can't use it properly. you bring up Sasuke, but he wasn't that good with his sharingan. look at Shishui, Itachi or Madara. they use the sharingan too, but still they are somewhat stronger than Sasuke.

so all in all, the sharingan is still overpowered, just like the rinnegan or dust release or other insanely powerful techs, but still only as good as the user.

There's no need to apologize; it's your opinion, after all, and I can respect that. I will point out however, that this thread was mainly addressing Sasuke's usage of the ordinary Sharingan, and to some extent his MS, not the EMS or the potential Rinnegan he may awaken later in the series. In terms of the latter two Dojutsu, I completely agree that they are overpowered, since they seem to pose no risk at all to the user (at least none that we know of) and each possess incredible abilities. There's more information, and more drawbacks to using the Sharingan/MS than is known of the EMS/Rinnegan, which is why they weren't included.

Sharingan's Abilities:

- Enhanced clarity of perception (Predicting movements by completion)
- Capable of copying/mimicking Genjutsu, Kenjutsu, Ninjutsu & Taijutsu
- Capable of assessing chakra (color, flow, etc.)
- Capable of casting Genjutsu
- Izanagi (Kinjutsu; only available with Senju DNA)

Sharingan's Drawbacks:

- User must be skilled enough to keep up with copied technique
- Usage of Izanagi causes the Sharingan that cast it to close, forever sealed away
- 'Blind Spots'

Mangekyo Sharingan's Abilities:

Amaterasu
Tsukuyomi
Susano'o
Kamui (Exclusive to Kakashi Hatake)
Kotoamatsukami (Exclusive to Shisui Uchiha)
Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi (Exclusive to Sasuke Uchiha)

Mangekyo Sharingan's Drawbacks:

- Deteriorating Eyesight (Worsens after each use; eventually leads to blindness)
- In the case of Susano'o, the user's very life force is drained

In terms of just the Sharingan and the MS, I will admit that the abilities of both are powerful indeed; however, their drawbacks keep them in check. The Sharingan isn't an advantage in battle if you can't match the opponent's level of skill with the technique, despite being able to copy it. And the MS is a double-edged sword; there's plenty of power in its techniques, but the consequences (blindness) are fatal, at least for someone with that Kekkei Genkai.

1. Agreed; if Sasuke had undergone the same level of training that Lee had prior to their match, I'm sure the outcome would've been different, and I wouldn't have used it as an example, but the fact is that during that point in time, he didn't have to skill to keep up with Lee's speed, so the Sharingan was of little use in terms of securing victory for Sasuke during that match.

2. Again, I agree, the Sharingan does have blind spots, and Naruto was still able to hit Sasuke with that surprise attack. On the other hand, in terms of dodging the demon shroud, Sasuke wasn't able to predict its movements even though he could with Naruto because at that point, Sasuke was on equal/higher footing than Naruto when it came to hand-to-hand combat, which allowed him to predict Naruto's moves. In contrast, the demon shroud attacked independently, and its movements were both faster than Naruto's, which brings us back to the first statement; Sasuke wasn't fast enough to react to the shroud at that time, so the use of the Sharingan was moot in that situation.

3. This is another re-iteration of the first statement; Sasuke initially was able to keep track of Bee's movements, but as the fight went on he couldn't keep up with the speed of the blades (getting nicks and slight cuts on his face) and eventually couldn't keep up with Bee's movements altogether (which led to him getting impaled by the blades). In terms of the Lariat, Sasuke used Tsukuyomi prior to Bee's attack, which stunned him for a while, but Bee's control with tailed beast prevents him from falling prey to Genjutsu, so he caught Sasuke off guard with the Lariat.

4. I wouldn't say he used his techniques unwisely; he used them strategically. After he used Susano'o's ribcage to survive A's Liger Bomb, one of the ribs partially cracked while absorbing the impact - Sasuke knew he couldn't keep up with A's speed, so the only countermeasure he could think of was to create a situation in which A couldn't touch him (combining Amaterasu with Susano'o's Ribcage), which I'd say was pretty genius. If it were not for that strategy, he would've most certainly been killed by A.

I can understand looking at the few battles Itachi and Madara have had in terms of their skill with the Sharingan, but then, there are few battles in which you can actually see their use strategy (and unless they've showed a battle involving Shisui in the past, he shouldn't be used as an example), while Sasuke has had plenty of battles showing his proficiency and strategy with the Sharingan (Orochimaru, Deidara, Danzo, Etc.) And while I do agree that the EMS, and it's evolution into the Rinnegan are without a doubt overpowered, one must keep in mind that seeing as the SO6P possessed the Rinnegan, and the Sharingan is said to be merely and offshot/de-evolution of it, it makes logical sense that Kishimoto would continue to add on to its abilities, until it comes as close as possible to being as powerful as the Rinnegan (although in my opinion the EMS is starting to look superior to the Rinnegan, the way Kishimoto keeps granting it more and more powers)

I'm truly impressed with your argument; You raised some excellent points.

+Rep

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

It was OP the day plot somehow allowed him to absorb orochimaru using the sharingan

Ah ... I Wouldn't Say That - Itachi Managed To Pull The Same Tactics - And The Sharingan Is capable of casting illusions (i.e. allowing Danzo to believe Izanagi was still active). In Sasuke's case, instead of cancelling the process, he simply turned it on Orochimaru and proceeded to absorb his consciousness (surpressing it as well).

 

[leezagboola]

The Sharigan itself is so over powered, I think, i mean now the sharingan can develop into the rinnegan? thats lame. how are just normal ninjas meant to keep up with this?
I am so sick of sasuke i wish he would just die already so the manga could move on, i wouldnt mind hearing about other characters like shino or even ten ten. back how it was in the normal naruto when it was just about naruto training , learning new jutsus, and developing as a ninja to try and become a chunin or whatever. Not this bull crap Sasuke going on for like 5 years now.

 

[toviasrepier]

I'm impressed by how well-written out this is, but I just feel like they keep adding to the Sharingan, and it's getting annoying. In itself, it was a pretty powerful thing, but they just kept piling it on.

I don't think SASUKE is necessarily overpowered, I just feel like the Sharingan has just gotten too much.

Have you met Uchicha Macho yet? You guys could prob get along well.

It can't be helped Kishi himself is an Uchiha fanboy he will do everything to magnify Sharingan.

 

[toviasrepier]

The Sharigan itself is so over powered, I think, i mean now the sharingan can develop into the rinnegan? thats lame. how are just normal ninjas meant to keep up with this?
I am so sick of sasuke i wish he would just die already so the manga could move on, i wouldnt mind hearing about other characters like shino or even ten ten. back how it was in the normal naruto when it was just about naruto training , learning new jutsus, and developing as a ninja to try and become a chunin or whatever. Not this bull crap Sasuke going on for like 5 years now.

Well actually I've got tired of Naruto years ago coz everything is about Uchiha crap the only reason I still following it is coz to see the ending if Kishi didn't introdcue strong characters like Killer Bee and the Kages that can kick Sasukes ass I'll dump Naruto manga.

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

The Sharigan itself is so over powered, I think, i mean now the sharingan can develop into the rinnegan? thats lame. how are just normal ninjas meant to keep up with this?
I am so sick of sasuke i wish he would just die already so the manga could move on, i wouldnt mind hearing about other characters like shino or even ten ten. back how it was in the normal naruto when it was just about naruto training , learning new jutsus, and developing as a ninja to try and become a chunin or whatever. Not this bull crap Sasuke going on for like 5 years now.

I'll Admit, I Thought It Was Overkill As Well, Adding The Rinnegan To The Sharingan's Already Packed Arsenal Of Abilities. And That's Just It, Normal Ninjas Aren't Supposed To Keep Up With It; Only A Select Few People Could Take On Sasuke And Fight On Somewhat Level Ground At This Point (i.e. Naruto [Nine-Tails Chakra Mode]), And There's Nothing Normal About Him, Lol.

Besides, If Kishimoto Is Adding This Much To The Sharingan, That Must Only Mean He's Got Another Extremely Powerful Upgrade In Store For Naruto (Once He Has The Tailed Beast Rasengan Ratio Down, If That Hasn't Happened Already). Otherwise, I Doubt It'd Be A Fair Fight. I Really Hope Sasuke Doesn't Gain The Rinnegan Though, I'd Prefer To See Him Fight Naruto One On One, Not With 6 Other Bodies. His EMS Is Already Powerful Enough As It Is.

 

[Shanthony]

good post

 

[x15751x]

Very well done, truly impressive. +rep

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

Very well done, truly impressive. +rep

Thanks For The Support & +Rep; It's Greatly Appreciated.

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

good post

Thanks, Dude.

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

welldone , it isnt over powered it has flaws , but he is overrated , some ppl say hes like years ahead of naruto even though he has to fight him and naruto is likely to win as the hero , and seeing as naruto is patheitc in tobis eyes and tobi would be pathetic in rikudo sennins eyes , hes not stronger than the sage , which some people believe

Agreed.

 

[Uchiha Leader]

the sharingan is just that powerful of an ocular power.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I've read quite a few threads on these topics (referring either to Sasuke or his Kekkai Genkai, the Sharingan, or both), and while a vast majority have agreed that at this point in the series, the Sharingan is an overpowered technique, I'll be taking the opposing viewpoint; that is, that it isn't. This is merely one person's opinion, and I'm certainly not aiming to change your minds; if anything, I hope at least one of my points influences some of you view things from a different perspective.

Now, whether it was Narutopedia, Wikipedia, or another Anime/Manga based website, most of you already know of the Sharingan's impressive abilities; and for the faithful viewers who've watched/read the series from episode 1 up to now, you've all seen the changes Sasuke's Sharingan has undergone, from it's initial form during the battle with Haku, to it's final form during the final battle with Naruto, to the Mangekyo form achieved after being told the truth about his brother Itachi, and most recently, the Eternal Mangekyo that Sasuke now possesses. What I'm having trouble understanding is how soo many people can say so simply that it's overpowered, especially if you've seen/read all of Sasuke's battles involving his use of the Sharingan - the last time I checked, very few of those battles were easy ones.

Example 1: Sasuke Vs. Rock Lee
While his Sharingan was only in its secondary stage, Sasuke still wasn't able to beat Lee, even with the ability to perceive Lee's movements, because his body wasn't quick enough to react accordingly. In this case, even though Sasuke possessed the superior ability, the Sharingan was useless during this battle.

Example 2: Sasuke Vs. Naruto
When facing Naruto at the Valley of the End, after his Sharingan entered its complete stage, Sasuke did have the edge over Naruto, but he still wasn't impervious to attacks (Naruto was still able to drag him under water with his clones and sling him into the rocks) Also, once Naruto activated the Fox shroud, his Sharingan wasn't able to read all of Naruto's movements in order to avoid all of the attacks (partly due to the shroud attacking on it's own) Again, in this case, the Sharingan wasn't invincible.

Example 3: Sasuke Vs. Killer Bee
2 Years later, even after having completely mastered the Sharingan, and with access to the Mangekyo, Sasuke nonetheless struggled to take down Killer Bee (Or rather, 1 tentacle of Bee's Tailed Beast). Even with the Sharingan's amazing clarity of perception, and Sasuke's skill with it, he still couldn't keep track of Bee's blades, and wound up getting impaled; using Tsukuyomi also proved nearly fatal, as he would've lost his life after taking Bee's Lariat, were it not for Jugo's quick thinking.

Example 4: Sasuke Vs. Raikage
In this battle, the Mangekyo was used more than the orginal Sharingan, and yet, Sasuke still couldn't bring down the Raikage. He couldn't track his movements due to the Raikage's Lighting-Style Body Flicker Technique, and while his strategy of using Amaterasu with his Susano'o ribcage seemed foolproof, the Raikage instantly changed our perception of that idea (though at the cost of his arm).

"Okay, that may be true, but look at the techniques Sasuke has at his disposal - Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, & most importantly, Susano'o - Don't you think they're a little too much?" Is the reply I expect from some of you, and I do agree, those techniques are insanely powerful, and are my favorite ones, to be perfectly honest. However, all three of share a near-fatal consequence, the loss of one's sight, which is, obviously important for someone with that Kekkai Genkai. Each and every time Itachi/Sasuke have used those abilities, their eyesight has suffered drastically, and Susano'o has the greatest drawback, since it draws its power not only from chakra, but from the very life force of its user as well.

With all that being said, anyone who has read/watched the series and is aware of all of this, shouldn't be so quick to say that the Sharingan is an overpowered Kekkei Genkai. It is a powerful ability, no doubt, but it does have it's limitations, and the MS has severe drawbacks; furthermore, as Zetsu said during Sasuke's battle with Itachi, 'The strength of the Sharingan depends on the skill of its user' - If that is the case, it only goes to show that Sasuke and Itachi are quite adept with their use of this ability.

Now, in terms of the Eternal Mangekyo, I can agree with the statement that it is overpowered, considering it possesses no current drawbacks (at least not that have been revealed yet). However, until Sasuke makes his appearance in the manga, the jury is out for this one.

Feel free to leave your opinions, comments, or rebuttals; I'll do my best to answer/comment on them.

if he had his ms at its ful power all thoes people he fought besides naruto would be dead an would have been no match 4 him naruto should be dead but sasuke spared his life.

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

the sharingan is just that powerful of an ocular power.

It Is An Extremely Powerful Ocular Power, But It's Not Invincible, It Possesses Flaws; That's The Main Point I'm Trying To Get Across, Since Some People Tend To Overrate Both The Kekkai Genkai And By Extension, Sasuke's Abilities Because Of It.