[Discussion] Was Ace intruduced too early?

[Hyperion]

how is it me being lazy?

why would it hav to be re-made? ace had no direct impact one the story..they could have created some other diversion to escape smoker

Seriously?

Ace alive = No 3y2d, all the Mugiwara head back to Sabaody.
If Ace stayed alive.
No message to send, putting them in more danger.

 

[s0ulja]

Seriously?

Ace alive = No 3y2d, all the Mugiwara head back to Sabaody.
If Ace stayed alive.
No message to send, putting them in more danger.

u want me to put 3 page worth of comments in one post? i ask the same question back at u..seriously?
umm maybe u should go back and read/watch. ace's death had nothing to do with it. the 3y2d was rayleigh's idea, the training was rayleigh's idea...maybe ur confusing ace with rayleigh?

 

[Hyperion]

u want me to put 3 page worth of comments in one post? i ask the same question back at u..seriously?
umm maybe u should go back and read/watch. ace's death had nothing to do with it. the 3y2d was rayleigh's idea, the training was rayleigh's idea...maybe ur confusing ace with rayleigh?

Well whatever...

I think that Ace's death is related to the 2 year training you don't.

 

[~Yubel~]

Well whatever...

I think that Ace's death is related to the 2 year training you don't.

Ace´s death only rubbed it in that luffy is weak but he would still accept rayleighs offer whether ace was dead or alive.
he really didn´t have much to do with it.

 

[Love Cook]

u want me to put 3 page worth of comments in one post? i ask the same question back at u..seriously?
umm maybe u should go back and read/watch. ace's death had nothing to do with it. the 3y2d was rayleigh's idea, the training was rayleigh's idea...maybe ur confusing ace with rayleigh?

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If Ace's life wasn't in danger, they would've managed to get to FI.

Instead Luffy got his ass kicked in the war, concluded he was to weak to become pirate king back at Boa's place, AND THERE Rayleigh suggest to train more. Wow what a great idea.

Luffy and the rest of the strawhats would've been crushed like Gyro if they went to FI directly.

No discussion possible here

Ace´s death only rubbed it in that luffy is weak but he would still accept rayleighs offer whether ace was dead or alive.
he really didn´t have much to do with it.

Luffy wouldn't be back at the Maiden Islands if he wasn't going to safe Ace !!!!

He wouldn't be breaking into Impel down, and he wouldn't go to the war.


Seriously, you guys should wait for the braille version to catch up to this chapter, this is a hopeless discussion.

 

[AT sama]

we yes in the beginning they did say they wil hav their own ships, but later ace joined WB. also ace himself said he wanted to help WB b'come the pirate king not him..he had no such ambitions, he just wanted to find the answer to his one question


i fele like im repeating myself, go read previous post on this matter

well he did hav a title of fire fist ace..and when ppl relised who he was they war scared of him so he wud have had to be amazing to hav that reputation

i agree, the way the story went, the flashback would have made more sense before the war

him telling luffy about sabo whould have been interesting..but luffy wudn know how to react. ace is dying, but sabos alive lol maybe a letter from sabo to maiden island after the war?



yes i thought about it, but i liked him from when he was introduced so his death couldn have been the reason

Ace had joined WB's crew, in the first place, becouse Ace loved WB as a father, not becouse WB's other qualities. Then Ace wanted to help him to become king of pirates becuouse he respected him.

 

[jordy kusturica]

from most of the posts we can see why One Piece is the best manga of the moment, not one single fandom disagred of the history line and is happenings.

 

[s0ulja]

Causality (also referred to as causation) is the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is understood as a consequence of the first.

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If Ace's life wasn't in danger, they would've managed to get to FI.

Instead Luffy got his ass kicked in the war, concluded he was to weak to become pirate king back at Boa's place, AND THERE Rayleigh suggest to train more. Wow what a great idea.

Luffy and the rest of the strawhats would've been crushed like Gyro if they went to FI directly.

No discussion possible here




Luffy wouldn't be back at the Maiden Islands if he wasn't going to safe Ace !!!!

He wouldn't be breaking into Impel down, and he wouldn't go to the war.

thanks for the irrelevant research but u can keep it and maybe think about it urself
they would not have went to FI b'cuz he heard the news of ace's executions in MI from that old lady reading the newspaper so story would have carried on as it did. and the whole training idea was rayleighs..they could not have bypassed rayleigh since he would have had to coat the ship

maybe u should stop creating ur own version of what really happened

Ace had joined WB's crew, in the first place, becouse Ace loved WB as a father, not becouse WB's other qualities. Then Ace wanted to help him to become king of pirates becuouse he respected him.

well i guess he valued what WB did for his sons, yes. but in this scenario WB's dead..what now?

from most of the posts we can see why One Piece is the best manga of the moment, not one single fandom disagred of the history line and is happenings.

except for lovecook here lol

 

[Love Cook]

thanks for the irrelevant research but u can keep it and maybe think about it urself
they would not have went to FI b'cuz he heard the news of ace's executions in MI from that old lady reading the newspaper so story would have carried on as it did. and the whole training idea was rayleighs..they could not have bypassed rayleigh since he would have had to coat the ship

maybe u should stop creating ur own version of what really happened

You missed the point completely, but it was to be expected.

The point was that without Ace there wouldn't be any training. That fact still stands.

Besides Ray was already off coating their ships. They only had to wait for 2 more days. During that time he said NOTHING about training.

 

[~Yubel~]

Luffy wouldn't be back at the Maiden Islands if he wasn't going to safe Ace !!!!

He wouldn't be breaking into Impel down, and he wouldn't go to the war.

Ace being captured is what caused that, not him being dead.
Luffy wouldn´t do any different after the war if ace was alive instead of dead, he would still be at the maidens island resting, he would still go to marineford, he would still show of the 3d2y and he would still train with rayleigh for 2 years because he already know he´s weak and ace´s death only rubbed that in.

If you don´t understand me now then you´re right, it is a hopeless discussion and i won´t waste more time on this.

 

[Hyperion]

Ace´s death only rubbed it in that luffy is weak but he would still accept rayleighs offer whether ace was dead or alive.
he really didn´t have much to do with it.

So you think that Ace's death has no relation whatsoever to the 2year training?

 

[s0ulja]

You missed the point completely, but it was to be expected.

The point was that without Ace there wouldn't be any training. That fact still stands.

Besides Ray was already off coating their ships. They only had to wait for 2 more days. During that time he said NOTHING about training.

there u go with ur unnecessary bs. training was b'cuz SH's got pawned by the pacifista+kizaru (i think that was his name..the light guy). go watch post war pre-training again

So you think that Ace's death has no relation whatsoever to the 2year training?

nope...rayleigh would have made the decision before ace died anyway

 

[Love Cook]

Ace being captured is what caused that, not him being dead.
Luffy wouldn´t do any different after the war if ace was alive instead of dead, he would still be at the maidens island resting, he would still go to marineford, he would still show of the 3d2y and he would still train with rayleigh for 2 years because he already know he´s weak and ace´s death only rubbed that in.

If you don´t understand me now then you´re right, it is a hopeless discussion and i won´t waste more time on this.

read one post back. If Ace wasn't there... but introduced later on in the story AND not have been killed off. why would Luffy even go to the war.

His only reason was Ace.

The whole war was Ace..

there u go with ur unnecessary bs. training was b'cuz SH's got pawned by the pacifista+kizaru (i think that was his name..the light guy). go watch post war pre-training again

It's amazing how you can come up with some other irrelevent fact everytime I debunk your arguments.

Take another step back to Thriller bark and you read what happened after Lola explained the Vivre cards.

 

[~Yubel~]

read one post back. If Ace wasn't there... but introduced later on in the story AND not have been killed off. why would Luffy even go to the war.

His only reason was Ace.

The whole war was Ace.

The war was for ace, maidens island, impel down, marineford was for ace but let´s say ace survived the war and got saved, let´s say he lived!!!

NOTHING WOULD HAVE TURNED OUT DIFFERENT IN THE STORY AFTER THE WAR WHETHER OR NOT ACE WAS DEAD!!!!
Read it and weep!!

Ace´s death didn´t mean jack squat for what happened in the story afterwards!

 

[Hyperion]

nope...rayleigh would have made the decision before ace died anyway

So Rayleigh going to Maiden Island would've happened even if Ace survived?

 

[s0ulja]

read one post back. If Ace wasn't there... but introduced later on in the story AND not have been killed off. why would Luffy even go to the war.

His only reason was Ace.

The whole war was Ace..

It's amazing how you can come up with some other irrelevent fact everytime I debunk your arguments.

Take another step back to Thriller bark and you read what happened after Lola explained the Vivre cards.

its amazing how u have ur own versions of the anime/manga

So Rayleigh going to Maiden Island would've happened even if Ace survived?

yes

 

[Hyperion]

yes

Just because Kuma told him so?

 

[Love Cook]

Ace´s death didn´t mean jack squat for what happened in the story afterwards!

It's too bad I've got a badass signature, or else I would've put this quote in it.

_O-

 

[s0ulja]

Just because Kuma told him so?

nope not just that.b'cuz he would have left sabondy before the war finished (ace's death). from what i recall the latest news rayleigh had was luffy was at d prison..n he was wondering how he got there. shakky predicted boa took him there and that added with wat kuma told him

 

[Hyperion]

Ace´s death didn´t mean jack squat for what happened in the story afterwards!

Lol of the day

nope not just that.b'cuz he would have left sabondy before the war finished (ace's death). from what i recall the latest news rayleigh had was luffy was at d prison..n he was wondering how he got there. shakky predicted boa took him there and that added with wat kuma told him

Still doesn't explain how Ace's death is not related to the training.