kakashi vs taka no sasuke
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Darkakatsuki
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Jugo was not at full strength against the raikage, he was in his kid form, remember he turned into a little kid after he healed sasuke by transfering some of his fleash and chakra to him when they fought killer bee.
He was still in that kid form at the kage summit arc, you can see in the manga and the anime that his cloak was too big for him and he was shorter and smaller than everyone there, including sasuke and karin, but we know from before that he is incredibly huge, he even didn't have a size when they bought clothes from that granny and had to wear a curtain.
All I am saying is that we have yet to see the true strength of jugo, he went straight into curse mode against the raikage because he was weakened and was still fast enough to keep up with his v1 speed, blocking his attack and forming a curse shield in the split second that a person has to react to the raikage and also countering with his laser cannons, though he missed with that one,lol.
Anyway if Jugo were to go curse mode in his adult form he would be even stronger and faster than he was against the raikage, Kakashi has no chance in a close range battle against that kind of speed and strength in a taijutsu battle, he would get pummelled into a pulp with Jugo's super strength. Add the fact that if he tried to engage in close range one hit from jugo's monstrous strength is all it would take and jugo is faster than him by feats and Jugo can increase his strength even further with his jet boostered punches. Plus Jugo has the ability to form any kind of weapon out of his own flesh and the weapon was strong enough to block Darui's zanbatou so it is quite a potent abilty.
Jugo has also shown the ability to boost his already incredible speed and reflexes with jet boosters by propelling himself with them at blinding speeds like he did when bee tried to blits them with his 7 tailed cloak, adding even more to his speed.
Jugo could also just inject him him with that syrynge like appendage and absorb him like he did to that samurai, Kakashi is no match for Jugo at close range, Jugo's laser cannons could also pose problems for kakashi if he tried to fight him at mid range, either way here the only way for kakashi to beat this guy is kamui, even a chidori wouldn't kill him if he didn't hit the heart, Jugo was pretty much fine after the raikage pierced him through the chest and the raikage had to dodge laser cannons and than use his monstrous strength and speed to catch him off guard when Jugo thought he was dead to beat him.
I don't know any mid range jutsu that Kakashi has that can trump laser canons.
Kakashi can only win against this guy with kamui, but that would weaken him enough for sugetsu to take him out with his water gun technique, having said that though, can kamui take out someone as fast as Jugo? Kamui took out pain's missile and nail, and took out sasuke's sasuno'o arrow, but the nail and arrow were headed sirectly towards his eye.
The missile was headed away from him but it wasn't as fast as the deva's nail and sasuke's arrow and it was also moving in a linear pattern, so it would have actually been easier to take it out than the nail and arrow, even though those were headed straight for his eye.
My point here is that we have yet to see kakashi use it on a person, arrows, nails, and missiles don't change their patterns of movement and cannot react when they are about to be transported to another dimension, remember that Minato avoided being transported by tobi because of his speed and reaction time, Kakashi has not ever transported someone and his hesitance to use kamui on an actual person also implies that he realises the danger of doing that because a person might be fast enough to REACT and AVOID it, unlike arrows, nails and missiles, that can't change direction and can't REACT.
What I'm saying is that this aint as easy it seems, Jugo is very knowledgeable because he knew exactly who the raikage and his body guards were and seemed to know how strong they were, he would know that Kakashi, who is known everywhere really, is a raiton user and would warn suigetsu not to engage in close range, the way I see this battle is that suigetsu would stay close to karin and use water gun technique to support Jugo from range. ( if the 2nd Mizukage can use water gun then I don't see why suigetsu wouldn't be able to, its a hozuki clan tech and suigetsu has also showed signs that he can use it, he did the exact same hand sign as the mizukage when he threatened to kill sasuke, and even did the trigger motion that activates the technique, exactly how the 2nd mizukage did it, he obviously knows how to do the tech).
People must also stop underestimating suigetsu's speed and overestimating Kakashi's, Kakashi could barely even keep up with Zabuza in the wave arc and hidan admitted to being the slowest in akatsuki but kept up with kakashi just fine and even pressured kakashi in fact (though at times he had one of kakuzu's masks supporting him).
Kakashi has never blitzed anyone in manga and Suigetsu was fast enough to block the raikage's attack on sasuke with the kubikiribocho, remember that suigetsu had to jump from up in the balcony where Karin was hiding and cover all that distance in a split second to intercept the raikage's attack, that is a huge speed feat, I don't know why people keep saying Kakashi would kill karin easy when she has Jugo and Suigetsu protexting her, who are very fast themselves, like I said before, who has kakashi ever blitzed in manga?
Some people also said that Kakashi would go underground and attack karin on her blind spot, as if karin wouldn't be able to sense him, she is by far the best sensor in the series, how would kakashi sneak up on her, plus she is very analytical and showed against danzo that she can tell when people are in a genjutsu by sensing their chakra and used that ability on herself to to check for genjutsu, and she did imply that she could detect clone jutsu's too when she determined that danzo wasn't a clone (off course she could since the clone is made of chakra, she would sense two people and different locations with the same chakra and know.) Kakashi genjutsu and clone tricks won't help one bit, Karin will always be able to tell what he is up to and warn the others in advance.
Karin also displayed the ability to sense when and where a person is gathering chakra against Danzo and she could also sense when a person's chakra level took massive nose dives, and this things will be detected when Kakashi is about to use kamui, she would be able to tell that he was gathering mass amounts of chakra in his eye and since all jutsu contain chakra,she would sense the portal and warn the others or react herself, Kakashi would at best only take out a limb with that jutsu like he did against deidara, he wouldn't win with it, Jugo and suigetsu are too fast and karin is too talented in the sensing, information and analytical department to fall for his tricks or allow her team mates to fall for those, plus she can heal injuried in a very short time with her heal bite jutsu, you guys shouldn't underestimate team taka, sasuke wasn't stupid when he hand picked them.
And don't underestimate suigetsu, this is one of only two men to tank tailed beast bomb and he is fast and strong when he hydrates his arm and a skilled swordsman, the only reason he seems weak is because he has only fought people that have an elemental advantage over his water body, any person without raiton affinty would suffer against him, yes kakashi has the advantage over him but he is not alone this time, all he gotta do is support Jugo with his water gun tech and intercept Kakashi when he goes for karin, not that he would get the chance to.
Kakashi would beat suigetsu one on one because of raiton tech, could MAYBE beat Jugo at full strength because of kamui, and would obliterate Karin one on one, but together, it is not even worth discussing, he would die a terrible death, he stands no chance.
~Annihilator~
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heres why i think kakashi would win:
1. its actually 1 vs 2 (karin doesnt fight)
2. Suigets gets owned by lighnting (completely paralyzed)
3. although suigetsu is strong, he is highly predictable and kamui will own him
4. kakashi has sharingan
5. kakashi knows 1000+ jutsu
1. its actually 1 vs 2 (karin doesnt fight)
2. Suigets gets owned by lighnting (completely paralyzed)
3. although suigetsu is strong, he is highly predictable and kamui will own him
4. kakashi has sharingan
5. kakashi knows 1000+ jutsu
Darkakatsuki
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You clearly avoided the fact that kakashi was on the back foot the whole time and you clearly ignore the fact that they had the numbers advantage and prep time for that battle, most noticeable is that you ignore to mention that Kakashi had to be saved by Yamato and Naruto with their combo attack when he was about to be killed by kakuzu.
You claim that Kakashi was protecting team ten the whole time when he only intervined once to stop his kakuzu's raiton affinity, and you neglect to point out that just as kakashi protected team ten, how many times did Kakuzu have to save is own incompetent teammate in that battle? Heck his teammate even took out one of his hearts, stop fabricating eveidence just to make kakashi look stronger then he is.
opthomasprime
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that's not a kakashi vs kakuzu thread and i don't avoid anything,i proved that kakashi can handle kakuzu+ his masks + hidan in same time and protect his team,they are on an other level tan this taka team. i was talking about these combos attack from kakuzu ,hidan and his masks...
now explain me how can they be prepared if they doesn't know these mask abilities?
how can they be prepared if they doesn't know that kakuzu got 5 lifes?
how can they be prepared if kakashi ask shikamaru about the plan during the fight?
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you avoid the fact that hidan and kakuzu prepared theses combos attack since a while and they also congratulated kakashi to survive theses attack ,he's the only one who survived on these combo stated by kakuzu and hidan themself.
the number advantage you said? kakuzu + 4 mask + hidan vs kakashi ino+choji+shikamaru ( you can take off ino )
so it was 6 vs 3 untill naruto and yamato came.
show me when did i said whole time?i was talking about these combos attack , don't try to play this game with me to change my words.
6 vs 3 and kakashi was still able to handle these combos attack from kakuzu ,hidan , masks and protect team 10.
he saved naruto too from kakuzu's tentacle...everybody from team 10 were still alive during the whole fight isn't it?
incompetent teammate? hidan is far to be incompetent , he got kakuzu with his own blood .an S rank miising nin who is part of akatsuki can't be imcompentant.btw kakuzu had to save hidan from kakashi at the begining after that kakashi killed kakuzu for the first time.
bringing manga fact aren't frabricating evidence...
you avoid the fact that kishi stated throw kakashi's words that if naruto and yamato were not there ,he'd have to use kamui before that kakuzu shoot his last attack despite to finish at hospital ,that's clearly mean that he could have win .
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you were just frustrated by the fact that kakashi could handle them and protect his team even and has still his trumpcard kamui .
you entered to detail and bring some points to show that kakashi is weaker .you're just underating kakashi nothing more.
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Kakashi would win this bit with moderate difficulty... My guess he would go for jugo first with him being biggest strongest and most aggressive guessing he would leave karin til she attacked him... Then based on fact suigetsu has the sword he would piece together he from mist/ water based take him out last... Of course wouldn't work out this way... Karin would heal jugo while kakashi then turns his attention to suigetsu just as he's about to land a killer blow gets clobbered by a punch blast from jugo.. Sees it coming so manages to defend it partially.. By this point figures out karins abilities also would of heard her issuing sensory data to the others.. Or attempting to....
He then uses sub jutsu to protect against on coming attacks while he kunais karin(with speed).. In order to save chakra.. Then lightening chains suigetsu and jugo... Basically spank suigetsu... Jugo survives.. Attacks in s frantic rage but because he's proven himself handful kakashi uses his best attack and kumais him to death for the win!!
He then uses sub jutsu to protect against on coming attacks while he kunais karin(with speed).. In order to save chakra.. Then lightening chains suigetsu and jugo... Basically spank suigetsu... Jugo survives.. Attacks in s frantic rage but because he's proven himself handful kakashi uses his best attack and kumais him to death for the win!!
6pathofpain
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Kakashi will win cause hes way smart, kakashi fought hidan an kazaku by hiself basically an was doing pretty good by himself, an jugo an suigestsu or how ever u spell his name would both get punished by them, plus with the sharingan jugo most likely wont touch em an suigestsu would end up jus like zaubza except worst cause zaubza would destroy suigestsu.neither 1 of them is smart an thats why theyll lose both of them r stricted force fights an that wont work on kakashi an yea karin an heal them but after she heals the first person shell get dealt with.jugos full curse mark form would b the only problem but hes deffinitly coming straight n an kakashi will figure he needs to take care of em quit an suck em up wit the mangekyo(im sure i spelled that wrong too) which will us alot of chakra but hell still have more than enough to take out the water dude, kakashi has way more battle experience than all of them an is way smarter an thats y he'll win
I agree, Kairn is nothing but heals and sensory and she can sustain Suigetsu and Jugo for a drawn out battle which would put Kakashi at a horrible disadvantage but Kakashi is smart enough to figure that out. Suigetsu as we've seen is extremely weak to lightning jutsu as shown with his encounter against Darui. But if Kakashi is careless it could be his down fall, Kakashi isn't much of a group fighter the majority of his techniques are rather 1v1 orientated.. However if he can manage to paralyze Suigetsu with his lightning then take Karin out (which shouldn't be hard) it pretty much comes down to Kakashi vs Juugo and if Kakashi managed to conserve enough chakra he should be able to finish Juugo with slight difficulty and clean up ther other two after. But if the fight gets drawn out and he can't put a stop to combination attacks Kakashi could become exhausted and be left open to a critical blow from either of the boys.
leezagboola
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Taka would win, people over rate kakashi way too much.
If he went to attack Juugo so he could get him out of the way quickly why would the others just stand there and let him be killed? Suigetsu and Juugo are friends at why wouldn't they all work together instead of doing it 1vs 1?
If he went to attack Juugo so he could get him out of the way quickly why would the others just stand there and let him be killed? Suigetsu and Juugo are friends at why wouldn't they all work together instead of doing it 1vs 1?
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SnakeSkinBlade
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Kakashi would win if Suigetsu is on the same level as Zabuza and Karin is pretty much the Sakura of the Taka minus the strength and Jugo just goes insane and when he does he will attack his teammates too. Kakashi is calm, cool, and collected so I see him taking this one.
uchiha i t a c h i
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The only real problem is jugo and since his attacks are too obvious for a sharingan user that can easily be dealt with and suigetsu will be out with a single raikiri since he is a suiton user.
and I don't think karin will even need ninjutsu just a punch and she's down!
and I don't think karin will even need ninjutsu just a punch and she's down!
Well if Kakashi can disable karin and Suigetsu long enough to take out juugo he will win if he cant he will most likely be warn down and lose but im leaning towards the first scenario.
Kakshi tests and distracts with a Raiton Kage Bunshin. While Suigetsu and Jugo are distracted by "Kakashi" the real one moves in on Karin who is presumably sitting behind the battle lines, Kakashi could use his sharingan to use a genjutsu on Karin to confuse her long enough to get close with the Doton: Shinjū Zanshu no Jutsu pulling her into the ground, Juggo and Suigetsu see this lightning clone detonates stunning Suigetsu if Kakshi can compound this with an electrified ball and chain suigetsu is out of order now Kakashi can go MS and Kamui Juugo.
Not saying it would go exactly this way but you can see how Kakashi has the utility and strategic mind to pull out a win.
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