Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha

[Volcanikage]

Said by someone with a Hiruzen avatar. Not even giving Itachi his credit. You make it sound like it would be an easy battle for Hiruzen.

I bet you couldn't give me one scenario where Hiruzen pulls off a win.


Give Hiruzen all the jutsus in Konoha other than KG, hidden clan stuff, FTG, and give him Enma. Now please try and come up with a scenario where he wins.

If you can do it, and do it well, without spouting BS I make a vow right here and now that I will give you all of my kumi.

Requirements to the deal:
1)Don't make up BS jutsus that we haven't seen.-- What mean by this is don't say "Well he might have had something" Use any non-kg jutsu, or hidden jutsu you want that Hiruzen could possibly have used in life (even though odds are he didn't know all of them I will allow you to use any Konoha jutsu)

2) Be realistic about his speed and chakra levels

3)That is it for now, if you say something insane though I will make a new rule accordingly.

So there you have it, all my kumi for making me believe that Hiruzen has better odds than Itachi of winning. Not just one crazy far-fetched scenario, but legitimate counters to Itachi's moves.

It should be easy enough if Hiruzen wins "with no doubt".

Any and all are welcome to this deal. First to do it gets the kumi. If it happens.

Not giving Itachi Credit??? dude if we talk about giving credit Hiruzen win this easy but no the fact are that Itachi is extremly strong but Hiruzen being hokage he has knowledge than any one Hiruzen consider himself even stronger than the 2 hokage

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[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

Lol,when you said Prime Hiruzen he should never be put against any individual.​

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Not giving Itachi Credit??? dude if we talk about giving credit Hiruzen win this easy but no the fact are that Itachi is extremly strong but Hiruzen being hokage he has knowledge than any one Hiruzen consider himself even stronger than the 2 hokage

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Giving Hiruzen credit? All that we have for him is hype. Like I said to the other person if you can throw something at me that is not hype then by all means do so.

I made a deal, make a solid scenario that isn't completely ridiculous, where hiruzen actually has counters to Itachi's stuff and then I will admit defeat and give the winner all of my kumi.

You can't use KG, hidden clan jutsus, FTG, or contract summons other than Enma. Other than that you have pretty much free rein of all the jutsus in Konoha. Use any jutsus that Hiruzen would have had and make a battle.

In addition to that rule above about his jutsu, please give Itachi his credit about his speed, intelligence, and genjutsu abilities.

 

[Uchiha seeker]

wait a minute..... Madara didnt hav tsukuyomi.... so the 1st couldnt pass down that knowledge to the 3rd..

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

wait a minute..... Madara didnt hav tsukuyomi.... so the 1st couldnt pass down that knowledge to the 3rd..

And Madara hasn't shown us Amaterasu either.

And Madara didn't have those legendary weapons that Itachi has. But these kids think that Hiruzen automatically knows all about Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, the Yata mirror, and the Totsuka sword.

 

[Gouki]

Any and all are welcome to this deal. First to do it gets the kumi. If it happens.

had to delete the rest of the comment cause its a waste of fanboy space :izuna: lol

A. sharingan is not unbeatable
B. Itachi is not ubeatable
C. if there was a person out there to mop the floor with Itachi bsides Madara, tobi, or Shisui... it would probably be hiruzen seeing how he was THE mack daddy of narutoverse in his prime, pfff.
D. we need more flashbacks of adult hiruzen n less of geriatric hiruzen.
E. yes i am a fanboy... of Teuchi, but you prob have to look on narutowiki to find out who he is.

facts...
-Itachi is a pacifist who feared the 3rd
-itachi would try to end the fight as quickly as possible because he knows he can't keep up with the 3rds endurance
- who cares about speed when you'll just wear yourself out in like 4 manga pages neways? hiruzen is like kakashix100 when it comes to knowlege of jutsu AND he doesnt even have to cheat with the sharingan.
- hiruzen doesn't like beating up fetuses, its just immoral
- i'm sorry if u think tile shiruken wasn't pulled out of hiruzen's arse at the time he used it against oro u r sadly mistaken. you can't have mad rep as a kage using fail jutsu like that. sooo my point is hiruzen had like 4-150000 aces in his bag of jutsu to itachi's 3 aces (left eye, right eye, susanoo)

 

[Uchiha seeker]

yse but Itachi's three aces can totally pwn Hiruzens.... do u guys think if Itachi wanted to kill the 3rd when he was asking him to save Sasuke he could have used Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu.....?

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Itachi

 

[Volcanikage]

Giving Hiruzen credit? All that we have for him is hype. Like I said to the other person if you can throw something at me that is not hype then by all means do so.

I made a deal, make a solid scenario that isn't completely ridiculous, where hiruzen actually has counters to Itachi's stuff and then I will admit defeat and give the winner all of my kumi.

You can't use KG, hidden clan jutsus, FTG, or contract summons other than Enma. Other than that you have pretty much free rein of all the jutsus in Konoha. Use any jutsus that Hiruzen would have had and make a battle.

In addition to that rule above about his jutsu, please give Itachi his credit about his speed, intelligence, and genjutsu abilities.

Ok ill make a scenario first if Itachi goes Susanoo. Hiruzen is a earth style master and Sunanoo weakness is underground so he can move Itachi out of susanoo by using

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to get him out but first he make a bunch of clones to surround Itachi after that he use Earth Flow River and all the clones use Shuriken shadow clone and thats it for Itachi

 

[Gouki]

And Madara hasn't shown us Amaterasu either.

And Madara didn't have those legendary weapons that Itachi has. But these kids think that Hiruzen automatically knows all about Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, the Yata mirror, and the Totsuka sword.

um itachi didnt invent those weapons, they are of legend. as in stories, how else did orochimaru know all about these weaps b4 itachi revealed it was him who had them.
itachi didnt invent tsukkk, amat, or any of the MS jutsu.
I'm pretty sure its all written down on a rock chilling in the Uchiha's basement.
oh n dont even say that "you cant translate unless you have sharingan" cause kabuto n orochimaru been working around the clock to figure it out and have gotten closer than ne1 outside of that clan to being able to read/understand the whole thing. AND hiruzen is the fn hokage he can pull strings to learn wut the rock says if he bothered to care.

Itachi doesnt suk, not at all, but ur trying to put him in Naruto's position where you can basically win every fight, no matter how powerful the opponent, with shadow clones n rasengans, sorry not here

 

[Uchiha seeker]

Ok ill make a scenario first if Itachi goes Susanoo. Hiruzen is a earth style master and Sunanoo weakness is underground so he can move Itachi out of susanoo by using

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to get him out but first he make a bunch of clones to surround Itachi after that he use Earth Flow River and all the clones use Shuriken shadow clone and thats it for Itachi

u think the match will end in two moves? that jutsu puts the enemy off balance but it doesnt remove Itachi from Susanoo he will be off balance... and wat if he dodges it

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

had to delete the rest of the comment cause its a waste of fanboy space :izuna: lol

A. sharingan is not unbeatable
B. Itachi is not ubeatable
C. if there was a person out there to mop the floor with Itachi bsides Madara, tobi, or Shisui... it would probably be hiruzen seeing how he was THE mack daddy of narutoverse in his prime, pfff.
D. we need more flashbacks of adult hiruzen n less of geriatric hiruzen.
E. yes i am a fanboy... of Teuchi, but you prob have to look on narutowiki to find out who he is.

facts...
-Itachi is a pacifist who feared the 3rd
-itachi would try to end the fight as quickly as possible because he knows he can't keep up with the 3rds endurance
- who cares about speed when you'll just wear yourself out in like 4 manga pages neways? hiruzen is like kakashix100 when it comes to knowlege of jutsu AND he doesnt even have to cheat with the sharingan.
- hiruzen doesn't like beating up fetuses, its just immoral
- i'm sorry if u think tile shiruken wasn't pulled out of hiruzen's arse at the time he used it against oro u r sadly mistaken. you can't have mad rep as a kage using fail jutsu like that. sooo my point is hiruzen had like 4-150000 aces in his bag of jutsu to itachi's 3 aces (left eye, right eye, susanoo)

Oh hey by the way I guess all you can do is call me a fanboy, but I issued a challenge up there.

This is the path of failures, people know that all they have is hype and they know that they can't make a legitimate battle scenario and so they insult me instead as a fanboy.

How have I been acting like a fanboy? For having an opinion and being willing to back it up with reason?

Oh by the way your little bucket of fail post is retarded. The databook, and the manga acknowledge that Oro has way more jutsu than Hiruzen, yet Oro got dominated by Itachi not once but twice.

Check me if I am wrong, go to the databook. Oro has more knowledge of jutsus than Hiruzen. So where is that argument now?

All of Oro's knowledge of jutsus wouldn't have saved him from a four-tailed Naruto, and it didn't save him from Itachi, so what makes you think that having a huge arsenal of jutsus gives him an automatic win?

Itachi might have way fewer jutsus but his actually do damage, and if you get hit by an one of them then you lose. If I am correct we saw Hiruzen do five jutsus against oro and his Edo's and you know what happened? Nothing. He pulled a loss against Oro with a jutsu that is supposed to guarantee a draw.

 

[Amantius]

Giving Hiruzen credit? All that we have for him is hype. Like I said to the other person if you can throw something at me that is not hype then by all means do so.

I made a deal, make a solid scenario that isn't completely ridiculous, where hiruzen actually has counters to Itachi's stuff and then I will admit defeat and give the winner all of my kumi.

You can't use KG, hidden clan jutsus, FTG, or contract summons other than Enma. Other than that you have pretty much free rein of all the jutsus in Konoha. Use any jutsus that Hiruzen would have had and make a battle.

In addition to that rule above about his jutsu, please give Itachi his credit about his speed, intelligence, and genjutsu abilities.

Infinite Darkness jutsu >Sharingon No use
Reaper Death seal > Itachi Susanoo Mirror if he use it.
Mud Bomb combine Dragon Flame bombs > Goukakyuu no Jutsu

Jutsu-fire Earth Element
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken (Anime only)
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey Enma)
Telescope Technique





The Sarutobi clan Sarutobi Ichizoku is an influential clan from Konohagakure. It has produced several notable members who have held positions of high authority, such as Hokage, or membership in the Twelve Guardian Ninja. All known members have also been observed devotees of the Will of Fire.
Overview Edit
The members of this clan seem to be able to easily master high-level techniques, as Hiruzen Sarutobi was revered as the "God of Shinobi", and Konohamaru Sarutobi managed to learn A-rank techniques, such as the Rasengan, at a young age.

Itachi-Fire +water element
Jutsu
Amaterasu
Clone Great Explosion
Crow Clone Technique
Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Dusk Crow Genjutsu
Ephemeral
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Shadow Clone Technique
Susanoo
Transcription Seal: Amaterasu
Tsukuyomi
Water Release: Water Fang Bullet
Yasaka Magatama

Sword
Sword of Totsuka
Yata Mirror

i stll say Prime Hiruzen cuz most of his jutsu was not shown he did a few and his Knowledge of the sharingon gives him the advantage along with his earth>water element.

 

[Kurama Uzumaki]

as much as i like itachi, he wouldnt beat hiruzen sarutobi in his prime

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Infinite Darkness jutsu >Sharingon No use
Reaper Death seal > Itachi Susanoo Mirror if he use it.
Mud Bomb combine Dragon Flame bombs > Goukakyuu no Jutsu

Jutsu-fire Earth Element
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken (Anime only)
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey Enma)
Telescope Technique





The Sarutobi clan Sarutobi Ichizoku is an influential clan from Konohagakure. It has produced several notable members who have held positions of high authority, such as Hokage, or membership in the Twelve Guardian Ninja. All known members have also been observed devotees of the Will of Fire.
Overview Edit
The members of this clan seem to be able to easily master high-level techniques, as Hiruzen Sarutobi was revered as the "God of Shinobi", and Konohamaru Sarutobi managed to learn A-rank techniques, such as the Rasengan, at a young age.

Itachi-Fire +water element
Jutsu
Amaterasu
Clone Great Explosion
Crow Clone Technique
Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Dusk Crow Genjutsu
Ephemeral
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Shadow Clone Technique
Susanoo
Transcription Seal: Amaterasu
Tsukuyomi
Water Release: Water Fang Bullet
Yasaka Magatama

Sword
Sword of Totsuka
Yata Mirror

i stll say Prime Hiruzen cuz most of his jutsu was not shown he did a few and his Knowledge of the sharingon gives him the advantage along with his earth>water element.

Wow your first three things you posted are insane.

Death reaper seal would not work on the Yata mirror. how would that work? Honestly tell me?

Secondly Hiruzen does not know the Bringer of darkness genjutsu. If he did he would have been able to break it when hashirama did it.

You honestly think that those dragon fire bombs are stronger than Amaterasu, or the Yasaka Magatama?

No way. Not a chance in hell. Those 3 things are all false. Try again.

To the guy who posted and earth river thing below Itachi. Why do you assume Itachi is always in Susanoo? And what is he doing all this time? Sitting and watching Hiruzen attack him behind Susanoo?

Contrary to popular belief Itachi only turns on Susanoo at the last second to conserve chakra and eyesight. He can turn it on within milliseconds, and Madara has shown us that you can turn it on and off as much as you want to.

 

[Gouki]

Oh hey by the way I guess all you can do is call me a fanboy, but I issued a challenge up there.

we r talking bout prime hiruzen here, i dont think databooks covered the topic so there goes ur sources.

so if ur saying hiruzen can't beat itachi ur also saying itachi can win vs every ninja produced from konoha starting from his reign as hokage... just sayin, the man knew all -kg, he passed on his title simply because minato was in the middle of inventing rasengan and had his prodigy status, he came BACK to becoming hokage simply because no1 was considered strong enough for the position by the elders.

you are talking about scenarios like this is a rp battle here on the base, wth lol fuuuk just replace hiruzen's name with any1 from konoha (including itachi because he did actually use jutsu outside of his kg) vs Itachi and it would b a valid replacement if we are talking jutsu

 

[TheLaw]

Wow your first three things you posted are insane.

Death reaper seal would not work on the Yata mirror. how would that work? Honestly tell me?

Secondly Hiruzen does not know the Bringer of darkness genjutsu. If he did he would have been able to break it when hashirama did it.

You honestly think that those dragon fire bombs are stronger than Amaterasu, or the Yasaka Magatama?

No way. Not a chance in hell. Those 3 things are all false. Try again.

To the guy who posted and earth river thing below Itachi. Why do you assume Itachi is always in Susanoo? And what is he doing all this time? Sitting and watching Hiruzen attack him behind Susanoo?

Contrary to popular belief Itachi only turns on Susanoo at the last second to conserve chakra and eyesight. He can turn it on within milliseconds, and Madara has shown us that you can turn it on and off as much as you want to.

Indeed, ur right, only thing how sarutobi can win is cause of itachis chakra runs out, but can he last that long alive? =)

 

[Amantius]

Wow your first three things you posted are insane.

Death reaper seal would not work on the Yata mirror. how would that work? Honestly tell me?

Secondly Hiruzen does not know the Bringer of darkness genjutsu. If he did he would have been able to break it when hashirama did it.

You honestly think that those dragon fire bombs are stronger than Amaterasu, or the Yasaka Magatama?

No way. Not a chance in hell. Those 3 things are all false. Try again.

To the guy who posted and earth river thing below Itachi. Why do you assume Itachi is always in Susanoo? And what is he doing all this time? Sitting and watching Hiruzen attack him behind Susanoo?

Contrary to popular belief Itachi only turns on Susanoo at the last second to conserve chakra and eyesight. He can turn it on within milliseconds, and Madara has shown us that you can turn it on and off as much as you want to.

1. Itachi is no where skilled with the Sharingon like Madara or Sasuke, so in terms of Susanoo Mastery sure he can turn it on but saying he can use it like madara is a bit false.

2 Reaper would be towards itachi since no one can see it except for the caster, itachi wouldn't know where it's coming from.

3, it's stated that Hiruzen knew and mastered majority of the leaf strongest jutsu. And yes he did counter Darkness jutsu with his 5 Senses, which is how he sniff them out while inside that gent jutsu.

4 Susanoo does not conserve Chakra if anything it drains chakra dramatically.

5. If Hiruzen really wanted to, and yes he will die doing it, he can easily sealed itachi Jutsu with death seal as a last resort which i don't think he has to, lets not forget the only reason he even resort to death seal is cuz the edo first and second hokage took alot out of him since they were said to be the strongest of all the kage.

(Amats can be sealed, and all Hiruzen would have to do is cast the Infinit Darkness jutsu like i said and sharingon becomes usless, after all it's a jutsu that was use both by the first a second. so naturally Hiruzen would have knew it. ( but u could argue that i don't know that, and i can simple say he was title god of shinobi and said to mastered the highest of Leaf jutsu.

 

[TheLaw]

we r talking bout prime hiruzen here, i dont think databooks covered the topic so there goes ur sources.

so if ur saying hiruzen can't beat itachi ur also saying itachi can win vs every ninja produced from konoha starting from his reign as hokage... just sayin, the man knew all -kg, he passed on his title simply because minato was in the middle of inventing rasengan and had his prodigy status, he came BACK to becoming hokage simply because no1 was considered strong enough for the position by the elders.

you are talking about scenarios like this is a rp battle here on the base, wth lol fuuuk just replace hiruzen's name with any1 from konoha (including itachi because he did actually use jutsu outside of his kg) vs Itachi and it would b a valid replacement if we are talking jutsu

Where does it say that he passed his title just cause of minato was prodigy, not because he were stronger and faster than sarutobi? The third also misses water wich would be strong against itachi, hes slower than itachi, and itachi has legendary weapons. Going by hype sarutobi will win, but in real fight i really dont know. Can he outlast itachi? cause theres noway to get trought itachis susanoo with sarutobis jutsus, unless he know so badass genjutsu.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

we r talking bout prime hiruzen here, i dont think databooks covered the topic so there goes ur sources.

so if ur saying hiruzen can't beat itachi ur also saying itachi can win vs every ninja produced from konoha starting from his reign as hokage... just sayin, the man knew all -kg, he passed on his title simply because minato was in the middle of inventing rasengan and had his prodigy status, he came BACK to becoming hokage simply because no1 was considered strong enough for the position by the elders.

you are talking about scenarios like this is a rp battle here on the base, wth lol fuuuk just replace hiruzen's name with any1 from konoha (including itachi because he did actually use jutsu outside of his kg) vs Itachi and it would b a valid replacement if we are talking jutsu

Um I made a thread that proved that quote from the manga wrong. He couldn't have had all jutsu other than KG. It is literally an impossibility. He couldn't have had the Aburame clan's jutsus, the Hyuga clan's jutsus (Byakugan is kg not heavenly spin or gentle fist). He couldn't have had FTG, or any other type of summons and the jutsus that come along with it (you are restricted to one contract animal).

He couldn't have had alot of stuff because Konoha is actually a village made up of Hidden Clan's that don't teach anyone other than their clan's their jutsus, and it is made up of a bunch of KG as well.

I already said though, give Hiruzen every jutsu in Konoha other than the things that he could not have had.

If you want we can consider him the same speed as Itachi, as unlikely as that is. I will say that he is stronger than Itachi, and has 3 times more chakra than him. How does that sound? Is that fair? Now make me a scenario using Konoha's jutsus that he could possibly use and have him counter Itachi's jutsus.

If you can do it you will have my respect, and I will give you all of my kumi.