Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha

[Volcanikage]

u think the match will end in two moves? that jutsu puts the enemy off balance but it doesnt remove Itachi from Susanoo he will be off balance... and wat if he dodges it

He told me to give him a scenario and i did yeah it can end it two move doesnt naruto always end eveything with rasengan like i said he was surrounded by clone that use shuriken shadow clone no way in hell i can escape when there coming from all direction and his offbalance like you said -_-

 

[TheLaw]

Um I made a thread that proved that quote from the manga wrong. He couldn't have had all jutsu other than KG. It is literally an impossibility. He couldn't have had the Aburame clan's jutsus, the Hyuga clan's jutsus (Byakugan is kg not heavenly spin or gentle fist). He couldn't have had FTG, or any other type of summons and the jutsus that come along with it (you are restricted to one contract animal).

He couldn't have had alot of stuff because Konoha is actually a village made up of Hidden Clan's that don't teach anyone other than their clan's their jutsus, and it is made up of a bunch of KG as well.

I already said though, give Hiruzen every jutsu in Konoha other than the things that he could not have had.

If you want we can consider him the same speed as Itachi, as unlikely as that is. I will say that he is stronger than Itachi, and has 3 times more chakra than him. How does that sound? Is that fair? Now make me a scenario using Konoha's jutsus that he could possibly use and have him counter Itachi's jutsus.

If you can do it you will have my respect, and I will give you all of my kumi.

Indeed and he lacs elements, it doesnt say or show anywhere that he would have all 5 elements, and cause of hes pretty good with learning jutsus, i think he would have easily done some KG:s from them if he had them all.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

1. Itachi is no where skilled with the Sharingon like Madara or Sasuke, so in terms of Susanoo Mastery sure he can turn it on but saying he can use it like madara is a bit false.

2 Reaper would be towards itachi since no one can see it except for the caster, itachi wouldn't know where it's coming from.

3, it's stated that Hiruzen knew and mastered majority of the leaf strongest jutsu. And yes he did counter Darkness jutsu with his 5 Senses, which is how he sniff them out while inside that gent jutsu.

4 Susanoo does not conserve Chakra if anything it drains chakra dramatically.

5. If Hiruzen really wanted to, and yes he will die doing it, he can easily sealed itachi Jutsu with death seal as a last resort which i don't think he has to, lets not forget the only reason he even resort to death seal is cuz the edo first and second hokage took alot out of him since they were said to be the strongest of all the kage.

You are completely missing my points. He didn't counter the bringer of darkness genjutsu, he was still caught in it. He just found a way to make do while inside it.

You don't understand what I mean by conserve chakra. If he turns on Susanoo just to block an attack, and then turns it off, it wastes less chakra than just leaving it on.

Do you really think that Itachi is less skilled than Sasuke with the sharingan? He could have killed Sasuke like fifty times during their fight, and that was when he was diseased and should have been dead.

Hiruzen's fire jutsu literally cannot compare to Amaterasu or the Yasaka Magatama. It just can't, don't even argue this point please because anything else said about this will only result in a massive failure.

Your only real argument is a draw. The best he can do is a draw.

 

[Gouki]

Where does it say that he passed his title just cause of minato was prodigy, not because he were stronger and faster than sarutobi? The third also misses water wich would be strong against itachi, hes slower than itachi, and itachi has legendary weapons. Going by hype sarutobi will win, but in real fight i really dont know. Can he outlast itachi? cause theres noway to get trought itachis susanoo with sarutobis jutsus, unless he know so badass genjutsu.

ummm, just reread the manga around j-man explaining minato, minato's flashback vs tobi about hiruzen passing on titles... we are talking prime hiruzen so stop bringing back gramps... itachi has other jutsu besides kg and fire (sorry if i'm not specific enuff for u)... kages aren't chosen by speed n power alone, that would b messed up dont u think, simply by 2 stats alone 1 can run the entire village as well as be considered the all round best ninja produced in the village.

since u r so smart imma think like you do....
where does it say itachi is faster than prime hiruzen?
where does it say itachi is physically stronger than prime hiruzen?
where does it say itachi can beat any1 ever? considering he wasnt even the best of his gen like hiruzen was....

 

[Volcanikage]

Um I made a thread that proved that quote from the manga wrong. He couldn't have had all jutsu other than KG. It is literally an impossibility. He couldn't have had the Aburame clan's jutsus, the Hyuga clan's jutsus (Byakugan is kg not heavenly spin or gentle fist). He couldn't have had FTG, or any other type of summons and the jutsus that come along with it (you are restricted to one contract animal).

He couldn't have had alot of stuff because Konoha is actually a village made up of Hidden Clan's that don't teach anyone other than their clan's their jutsus, and it is made up of a bunch of KG as well.

I already said though, give Hiruzen every jutsu in Konoha other than the things that he could not have had.

If you want we can consider him the same speed as Itachi, as unlikely as that is. I will say that he is stronger than Itachi, and has 3 times more chakra than him. How does that sound? Is that fair? Now make me a scenario using Konoha's jutsus that he could possibly use and have him counter Itachi's jutsus.

If you can do it you will have my respect, and I will give you all of my kumi.

Ummm ok how do i say this your actually the only person to think he would know clan jutsu -_- know one even thinks that THERE THOUSAND OF OTHER JUTSU not only clan jutsu

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

He told me to give him a scenario and i did yeah it can end it two move doesnt naruto always end eveything with rasengan like i said he was surrounded by clone that use shuriken shadow clone no way in hell i can escape when there coming from all direction and his offbalance like you said -_-

Although I already said that Itachi would not be in Susanoo at the beginning of the battle, I mean when has he been? But that kid is right, the earth river wouldn't pull Itachi out of Susanoo. Gaara's sand couldn't do it the first time against Madara, do you know why? Because it couldn't get into Susanoo, that is why Onoki made it lighter than air.

Secondly Gaara's sand formed around Madara's leg. You can't make that earth river snake around someone to carry them out, even if you could get it into Susanoo, which it wouldn't. So Itachi might slip while inside Susanoo but what then?

Though this whole point is moot considering that Itachi only uses Susanoo when he absolutely needs to.

 

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Hiruzen Prime
Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime. According to Iruka, he was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had as well as the strongest of all the five Kage during his era. Even in his old age, Kabuto Yakushi considered him the strongest of the Five Kage at the time of his death. Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released; furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth. He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique.

Hiruzen was called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha.

Fire Release and Earth Release

Hiruzen Jutsu

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique

Tools=Adamantine Staff,Bell

Hiruzen Prime Databook hasnt being release and idk if it even will but old age databook is 35 in total

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Itachi
In addition to being an extremely powerful shinobi, Itachi had equally impressive intelligence, and was shown to be very wise, something even Tobi acknowledged. He was exceedingly sharp and observant to any situation at hand, as he was rarely surprised or caught off guard. He also displayed great intuition, as he was almost never deceived and even then almost instantly realised the truth. This intelligence could also be seen through Itachi's immense foresight, such as examples like the foreknowledge of Sasuke's defeat of Deidara and simultaneous survival, his own pre-meditated fatalist view of death by Sasuke's hand, and most recently the implantation of his own Kotoamatsukami-imbued crow inside Naruto were only some examples seen. Despite his status as a wanted criminal, and having wiped out his clan, Itachi took no enjoyment in violence or combat, instead preferring to avoid battle or, if this was not possible, end it as quickly as he could

Fire Release and Water Release

Itachi Jutsus

Amaterasu
Clone Great Explosion
Crow Clone Technique
Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Dusk Crow Genjutsu
Ephemeral
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Shadow Clone Technique
Susanoo
Transcription Seal: Amaterasu
Tsukuyomi
Water Release: Water Fang Bullet
Yasaka Magatama

Tools=Sword,Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror


Databook

Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals
5 4.5 5 5 3.5 5 2.5 5

Total=35.5

So who do you think it could win this battle
Place=where Sannin battle was
NO RESTRICTIONS!

I think Hiruzen got this his a master of genjutsu he most know how to work with genjutsu and not be caught by them and has enma to protect him will a genjutsu and to get him out of a genjutsu

Like Minato i think at his prime he most have know how to make Death reaper release go farther than getting just close

He was consider at old age strongest kage at his time that mean A,Onooki,Mei,Garra Fathers and this was at old age

He was call the profesor for know every jutsu from konoha that include FTG,Rasengan,Fire Ball Jutsu,8 gates and many more that aint from a clan

We know everyone know how strong was the 1hokage and 2hokage and 4hokage and they still consider the Third Hokage "The God Of Shinobi"

BUT IDK WHAT DO YOU THINK!

Where did it ever state he knew FTG?
I believe it stated, he mastered a 1000 jutsu. Now I may be wrong but feel free to post the link where it says he knows every jutsu in the leaf.....

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Ummm ok how do i say this your actually the only person to think he would know clan jutsu -_- know one even thinks that THERE THOUSAND OF OTHER JUTSU not only clan jutsu

I'm going to be serious here with you for a second, are you retarded?

The manga quote was that he knew and had mastered EVERY jutsu in konoha. I proved that wrong.

It didn't say that he knew 1000, or two thousand, or even ten thousand. Here is a direct quote " You who were called the professor for having known and mastered all the jutsu in Konoha"

You can google that shit or find it in the manga.

I know there are other jutsus in Konoha, I'm just saying, at the very best he could know only jutsus that were not from Hidden clans or KG. How are you not getting that? I think every other person understands this point.

 

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[Volcanikage]

You are completely missing my points. He didn't counter the bringer of darkness genjutsu, he was still caught in it. He just found a way to make do while inside it.

You don't understand what I mean by conserve chakra. If he turns on Susanoo just to block an attack, and then turns it off, it wastes less chakra than just leaving it on.

Do you really think that Itachi is less skilled than Sasuke with the sharingan? He could have killed Sasuke like fifty times during their fight, and that was when he was diseased and should have been dead.

Hiruzen's fire jutsu literally cannot compare to Amaterasu or the Yasaka Magatama. It just can't, don't even argue this point please because anything else said about this will only result in a massive failure.



Your only real argument is a draw. The best he can do is a draw.

what are you saying overrating Amaterasu and Yasaka Magatama amaterasu is fire itself and yasaka magatama what do you thing thats the most power jutsu in naruto??? and yeah his more skill that Itachi didnt show to know how to freelly move amaterasu like sasuke and itachi was better at tsukoyomi and sasuke is just better at amaterasu

If you think someone like Itachi can beat someone like Hiruzen in prime you just dont watch the same anime i do or read really

Do you think Itachi can beat First Hokage??? if you say yes then YOUR JUST A FANBOY and a Hiruzen hater (and i know you are because any hiruzen post you troll it) and if you say no then he cant beat the third who was the strongest of all hokages

ITS THAT SIMPLE

 

[TheLaw]

ummm, just reread the manga around j-man explaining minato, minato's flashback vs tobi about hiruzen passing on titles... we are talking prime hiruzen so stop bringing back gramps... itachi has other jutsu besides kg and fire (sorry if i'm not specific enuff for u)... kages aren't chosen by speed n power alone, that would b messed up dont u think, simply by 2 stats alone 1 can run the entire village as well as be considered the all round best ninja produced in the village.

since u r so smart imma think like you do....
where does it say itachi is faster than prime hiruzen?
where does it say itachi is physically stronger than prime hiruzen?
where does it say itachi can beat any1 ever? considering he wasnt even the best of his gen like hiruzen was....

The third first wanted oro to be hokage, but since he went on madmode he never became one, then jiraya was candinate but he travelled and didnt take the job, so when minato was old enough to be hokage, sarutobi gave him the title. Hokage is said to be the strongest ninja in a village, and i never said it was cause of speed and power but minato got intellingence and good will too.

Itachi is known to be very fast and hiruzen never has been known for hes speed, i said itachi has more powerfull jutsus than hiruzen, ( overpowered eyes and i hate those)

I never said itachi can even beat him, i just said that sarutobi needs to outlast him if he wants to win cause of susanoo.

 

[Volcanikage]

I'm going to be serious here with you for a second, are you retarded?

The manga quote was that he knew and had mastered EVERY jutsu in konoha. I proved that wrong.

It didn't say that he knew 1000, or two thousand, or even ten thousand. Here is a direct quote " You who were called the professor for having known and mastered all the jutsu in Konoha"

You can google that shit or find it in the manga.

I know there are other jutsus in Konoha, I'm just saying, at the very best he could know only jutsus that were not from Hidden clans or KG. How are you not getting that? I think every other person understands this point.

lol are you serious????? you prove that wrong???? so sry mr. kishimoto am sry idk know a was talking to you.... -_-

 

[lord mizukage]

HIRUZEN WINS HANDS DOWN AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY!!!

IF You read the databook, hiruzen was said to have a counter to every jutsu in the leaf village. he also Had a Counter to Every sharingan Technique AND Mangekyou sharingan Technique

Hiruzen was also said To Have a Counter to almost everybody's Fighting style!

He's mastered over a 1000 jutsu

strongest kage in the leaf village and strongest of all the 5 kage

He Hailed the same title as the sage of the 6 paths

Hiruzen would Fuucking Baby Shake itachi. are you kidding me?! shame on you people who claim that itachi would win.

just look at this

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[Gouki]

Hhph wins.... oh and its in color for every1 to see... OBEY THE HIRUZEN OVERLORD!

 

[Amantius]

You are completely missing my points. He didn't counter the bringer of darkness genjutsu, he was still caught in it. He just found a way to make do while inside it.

You don't understand what I mean by conserve chakra. If he turns on Susanoo just to block an attack, and then turns it off, it wastes less chakra than just leaving it on.

Do you really think that Itachi is less skilled than Sasuke with the sharingan? He could have killed Sasuke like fifty times during their fight, and that was when he was diseased and should have been dead.

Hiruzen's fire jutsu literally cannot compare to Amaterasu or the Yasaka Magatama. It just can't, don't even argue this point please because anything else said about this will only result in a massive failure.

Your only real argument is a draw. The best he can do is a draw.

Umm no doubt he could of killed Sasuke, but ever since sasuke got hi MS he became more skilled with it that Itachi was, which is why i said he is more skilled that Itachi MS abilities. (most of all even Amats) and umm the turn it on and off ability with Susanoo was only shown with Sasuke and Madara, so for now i will not even qualify itachi to be that skilled with it (yet). and even if Itachi would be able to turn it on and off, you still need to waste alot of chakra to do it. Itachi Chakra and Stamina is shitty so i highly doubt he would turn it on and off without keeping it on til the rest of the fight (remember he only use it as a Last resort for a reason which is it robs him of his Stamina and Chakra.) Like i said early if itachi let's Hiruzen summons Death seal he is screwed. but overall i don't see it being a draw because Hiruzen Prime was not data booked, we can only say he was 50% times better than he was at his current age. (by the way Itachi connot control Amats like Sasuke can, the best he could do is try to catch Hiruzen with it and i have no doubts that Hiruzen as counters for it as well.

 

[Amantius]

HIRUZEN WINS HANDS DOWN AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY!!!

IF You read the databook, hiruzen was said to have a counter to every jutsu in the leaf village. he also Had a Counter to Every sharingan Technique AND Mangekyou sharingan Technique

Hiruzen was also said To Have a Counter to almost everybody's Fighting style!

He's mastered over a 1000 jutsu

strongest kage in the leaf village and strongest of all the 5 kage

He Hailed the same title as the sage of the 6 paths

Hiruzen would Fuucking Baby Shake itachi. are you kidding me?! shame on you people who claim that itachi would win.

just look at this

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lol i think he trolled for a second, most of those are not true but still is funny.

 

[Volcanikage]

Although I already said that Itachi would not be in Susanoo at the beginning of the battle, I mean when has he been? But that kid is right, the earth river wouldn't pull Itachi out of Susanoo. Gaara's sand couldn't do it the first time against Madara, do you know why? Because it couldn't get into Susanoo, that is why Onoki made it lighter than air.

Secondly Gaara's sand formed around Madara's leg. You can't make that earth river snake around someone to carry them out, even if you could get it into Susanoo, which it wouldn't. So Itachi might slip while inside Susanoo but what then?

Though this whole point is moot considering that Itachi only uses Susanoo when he absolutely needs to.

dude you getting annoying your point aint even valids then tell how will he escape this jutsu and dont say he doesnt know it is earth style,is from konoha, from his student and not only that IT DOESNT BELONG TO ANY CLAN!!

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[Gouki]

The third first wanted oro to be hokage, then jiraya was candinate but he travelled and didnt take the job, so when minato was old enough to be hokage, sarutobi gave him the title.

true, and then hiruzen went for the next best thing, why not a prodigy. i'm not sure if j-man was even in the running in hiruzen's mind tho he was kinda obsessed over oro. and true hiruzen isnt known for speed... he is known for being the absolute best :shrug:

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

So once again we have hype vs. actual abilities. Where in the world does it say hiruzen had a counter for every jutsu in Konoha? And every MS jutsu?

Hell how could he even know about every MS jutsu? Only one other person had MS in Hiruzen's time and that person was Shisui who as far as we know only had one MS ability. I'm leaving this thread until someone can actually post logical responses. Most of the people here have just said " blah blah blah Hiruzen wins easily, he had all da jutsus ever blah blah blah"

The best Hiruzen can do against itachi is a draw.

 

[TheLaw]

So once again we have hype vs. actual abilities. Where in the world does it say hiruzen had a counter for every jutsu in Konoha? And every MS jutsu?

Hell how could he even know about every MS jutsu? Only one other person had MS in Hiruzen's time and that person was Shisui who as far as we know only had one MS ability. I'm leaving this thread until someone can actually post logical responses. Most of the people here have just said " blah blah blah Hiruzen wins easily, he had all da jutsus ever blah blah blah"

The best Hiruzen can do against itachi is a draw.

Indeed, this is even worst than minato vs threads, cause we actually know some of minatos strongest moves and hes speed, but we know nothing powerful jutsus from hiruzen except minatos sealing jutsu, its hard to make decisions when u lack all the information.