Hashirama is the strongest shinobi ever to live after Sage of six Paths

[iSpeak]

Madara himself said that he gained rinnegan a moment before he died. He had this rinnegan while still alive...fighting Hashirama.I believe he died fighting Hashirama. Because if he survived his battle with Hashirama, then he must have been killed by other shinobi or died by other means? Nothing is heard about that madara after their battle. It will be easier for Madara's plans to kill hashirama and get his DNA, but he cannot defeat the 1st hokage. Well, still a lot is yet to be revealed about these mysteries.

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It says it right there in the manga.
Kabuto: "I think im right that after your battle with Shodai, you didn't die did you?...Am I wrong?"
Madara: "So thats why, you've certainly prepared well. Do you know our plan aswell?" (which means Kabuto's original question was correct).

So its clear Madara never died when he fought Hashirama, he died later on. Madara himself said so. Since Madara got Rinnegan shortly before his death, it is clear he never had it whilst facing Hashirama. Nobody really knows how Madara died, it will probably be revealed later on. It would have been long after his fight with Hashirama since he still needed to meet Nagato who wasn't even born at that time.
Yeh I agree it would have been easier to kill Hashirama then get his DNA, but his main focus wasn't killing Hashirama. He just wanted to survive and get his DNA, which he managed to do. So in a sense, Madara lost the battle but he won the war.

 

[random1129]

If he was the strongest hokage ever he wouldn't have died to Orochimaru. Even though he is old Hashirama would never ever lose to Orochimaru even if he was 80 years old

You idiot Hriuzn is 80 yes but orochimaru had the second and first hokageand orochimaru even said if he was 10 years younger he wouldnt lost to hiruzen and Hirzuen was the strongest kage in his era out of the 4 other kages

 

[Mante]

Hashirama strong, but not the stronges as per kishi and so his databook. Anyways I know he controled the Tbs and defeated Madara with the ninetails, but still...

 

[OWanime]

Technically the third (prime) is the strongest hokage because kishi and iruka said it but I know madara and hashirama are really strong
naruto will defintely surpass hashirama and so will sasuke because hey are next set of senju and uchiha to fight each other (ems sasuke >ems madara) (naruto will be/is greater than 1st) each generation surpasses the next (it's a common theme people read closer)
hint:will of fire xd

 

[blazekev90]

its a tie between Nagato and the 1st, I would even consider Madara tho he lost already. The 3rd isnt the strongest, far from it idc what was stated, and Tobi hasnt shown us anything to consider him to even be in the top 10.

 

[iSpeak]

its a tie between Nagato and the 1st, I would even consider Madara tho he lost already. The 3rd isnt the strongest, far from it idc what was stated, and Tobi hasnt shown us anything to consider him to even be in the top 10.

For real? Tobi hasn't shown anything to be in the top 10 lol?
He has 6 Jinjuriki paths who can each turn into their respective Bijuu + Gedo Mazo + Rinnegan + Sharingan + Izanagi + S/T Migration + 100,000 Zetsu army + He can summon the Kyuubi (well not now since it is in Naruto). That is enough to put him at number 2 on my list lol.

 

[theprimera]

1. hashirama vs madara is not a good example for backing his strength up since madara was just fighting for DNA and madara got his full power after that fight, plus hashirama had control of the fox too

2. nagato can beat hashirama

3. so can itachi

4. hes getting overrated

your clearly just another eyeball fan, all you eyeballs do is take real manga facts completely out of contextwhile foregoing all of your common sense just to make an illogical lie sound like truth. i could sit down and explain why none of what you said is even remotely factual, but you fanboys are like an ever persistent fart no matter how hard i fan you away you inevitability wind up assulting innocent nostrils anyway so... what the hey :shrug:

 

[Blaze Release]

^ Made me :rofl:

 

[blazekev90]

For real? Tobi hasn't shown anything to be in the top 10 lol?
He has 6 Jinjuriki paths who can each turn into their respective Bijuu + Gedo Mazo + Rinnegan + Sharingan + Izanagi + S/T Migration. That is enough to put him at number 2 on my list lol.

-the Jinjuriki were given to him by Kabuto, he's still the boss regardless.
-we havent seen him do to anything special with his Sharingan IMO (S/T)
-Izanagi is a tricky tech. but thats about it, you gonna have something to back it up, Danzo showed us that

I'll give him Rinnegan, but thats nothing special anymore.

right now he's all hype, the thing is no one has been able to inflict damage on him recently. Minato hit him with a basic rasagon (spelling) and he went running.

 

[iSpeak]

-the Jinjuriki were given to him by Kabuto, he's still the boss regardless.
-we havent seen him do to anything special with his Sharingan IMO (S/T)
-Izanagi is a tricky tech. but thats about it, you gonna have something to back it up, Danzo showed us that

I'll give him Rinnegan, but thats nothing special anymore.

right now he's all hype, the thing is no one has been able to inflict damage on him recently. Minato hit him with a basic rasagon (spelling) and he went running.

The only advantage he got from the Jinjuriki's being Edo is that they can also use their original techniques. If he wanted, he can still use them but they would have Rinnegan/Sharingan techs like Nagato's paths had. But even if they were given by Kabuto, they are still his paths. Itachi gave Sasuke his eyes to gain EMS, but you can't really say Sasuke shouldn't be allowed it.
Yeh true about not seeing him do anything with the Sharingan. But hey, atleast he has it :shrug: it should come in handy some time.
Tobi is able to use Izanagi for up to 5 minuites at once with each eye (Danzo could only use it for 1 minuite). Tobi has like a billion spare Sharingans in his basement lol.
We have already seen what Gedo Mazo do on the battle field, and that was for like a few minuites.
Yeh Tobi was hurt by Minato but that was before he had everything he has now. I think you are underrating Tobi lol. He has too much stuff now.

 

[blazekev90]

The only advantage he got from the Jinjuriki's being Edo is that they can also use their original techniques. If he wanted, he can still use them but they would have Rinnegan/Sharingan techs like Nagato's paths had. But even if they were given by Kabuto, they are still his paths. Itachi gave Sasuke his eyes to gain EMS, but you can't really say Sasuke shouldn't be allowed it.
Yeh true about not seeing him do anything with the Sharingan. But hey, atleast he has it :shrug: it should come in handy some time.
Tobi is able to use Izanagi for up to 5 minuites at once with each eye (Danzo could only use it for 1 minuite). Tobi has like a billion spare Sharingans in his basement lol.
We have already seen what Gedo Mazo do on the battle field, and that was for like a few minuites.
Yeh Tobi was hurt by Minato but that was before he had everything he has now. I think you are underrating Tobi lol. He has too much stuff now.

maybe i am, but all i've seen him do is stand in the background and take credit for others doing. All those eyes and Jinjuriki were given, besides him having to fight Konon (lol). Therefore, until I actually see him do something and get off the hype of what others provided for him. Btw i dont think that if without Kabuto he would have successfully used the Jinjuriki, what bodies would he have used? Also being Edo allows them to take damage and regenerate, Kabuto blessed dude with his Edo lol.

Tobi isnt on my list at all until he proves himself lol

 

[iSpeak]

maybe i am, but all i've seen him do is stand in the background and take credit for others doing. All those eyes and Jinjuriki were given, besides him having to fight Konon (lol). Therefore, until I actually see him do something and get off the hype of what others provided for him. Btw i dont think that if without Kabuto he would have successfully used the Jinjuriki, what bodies would he have used? Also being Edo allows them to take damage and regenerate, Kabuto blessed dude with his Edo lol.

Tobi isnt on my list at all until he proves himself lol

Yeh I can't argue with that. And thats true the edo's do allow them to regenerate aswell. Tobi still would be able to use paths, since he has chakra rods. They just wouldn't be able to use their original techniques and regenerate. I still think he should be allowed them though, since Sasuke is allowed EMS which was also given to him.
I guess I understand what you mean though, but its hard to control whilst fighting at the same time. Which is why Orochimaru/Kabuto never fought whilst using Edo Tensei and puppet users never fight.

 

[blazekev90]

Yeh I can't argue with that. And thats true the edo's do allow them to regenerate aswell. Tobi still would be able to use paths, since he has chakra rods. They just wouldn't be able to use their original techniques and regenerate. I still think he should be allowed them though, since Sasuke is allowed EMS which was also given to him.
I guess I understand what you mean though, but its hard to control whilst fighting at the same time. Which is why puppet users never fight.

yea, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what HE is really capable of.

 

[Blaze Release]

maybe i am, but all i've seen him do is stand in the background and take credit for others doing. All those eyes and Jinjuriki were given, besides him having to fight Konon (lol). Therefore, until I actually see him do something and get off the hype of what others provided for him. Btw i dont think that if without Kabuto he would have successfully used the Jinjuriki, what bodies would he have used? Also being Edo allows them to take damage and regenerate, Kabuto blessed dude with his Edo lol.

Tobi isnt on my list at all until he proves himself lol

I believe pre rennigan is extremely underrated and tbh im not sure why. His ability to evade attacks but also warp others into another dimension alone makes him one the most powerful characters in the series.

He has shown great feats. Examples being single handedly defeating elite anbu ninja's who were picked out by sarutboi himself.

Simgle handedly stalling the whole of team kakashi during their pursuit of sasuke

Defeating danzo's body guards with relatively ease

Controlling the fox

Defeating Konan

Also you do realise that tobi couldve used paths, regardless of kabuto's edo tensei or are we forgetting about nagato.

 

[iSpeak]

yea, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what HE is really capable of.

Yep. One question though. I see you are an Orochimaru fan, do you count Edo Tensei as part of Orochimaru's arsenal even though he can't fight whilst using them?

 

[blazekev90]

I believe pre rennigan is extremely underrated and tbh im not sure why. His ability to evade attacks but also warp others into another dimension alone makes him one the most powerful characters in the series.

He has shown great feats. Examples being single handedly defeating elite anbu ninja's who were picked out by sarutboi himself.

Simgle handedly stalling the whole of team kakashi during their pursuit of sasuke

Defeating danzo's body guards with relatively ease

Controlling the fox

Defeating Konan

Also you do realise that tobi couldve used paths, regardless of kabuto's edo tensei or are we forgetting about nagato.

all those points just proved why he isnt in my top 10, none of that impressed me at all (maybe controlling the fox, but thats about it).

 

[Blaze Release]

all those points just proved why he isnt in my top 10, none of that impressed me at all (maybe controlling the fox, but thats about it).

Not to take a shot at you but pre rennigan tobi has shown far more impressive feats than oro imo.

 

[blazekev90]

Yep. One question though. I see you are an Orochimaru fan, do you count Edo Tensei as part of Orochimaru's arsenal even though he can't fight whilst using them?

he did fight while using Edo, not much but he did get involved a few times. Also, I think another reason why he didnt do much was because he wanted to have fun using the 1st and 2nd as puppets and having the 3rd suffer emotionally. But to answer the question, yes I do. Just as the current Edo are part of Kabuto's arsenal.

 

[blazekev90]

Not to take a shot at you but pre rennigan tobi has shown far more impressive feats than oro imo.

ok your opinion was take into account, but it wasnt needed as idc lol

(btw didnt i label you as a hater before lol)

 

[Blaze Release]

ok your opinion was take into account, but it wasnt needed as idc lol

(btw didnt i label you as a hater before lol)

Its true oro isnt a fav character but i do not dislike him either xd