Will Naruto surpass Minato in FTG?

[opticsnm]

he already has

 

[TKDdude04]

Let's wait and see if he actually learns FTG tech first

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

We already know Tsunade wanted to give Naruto the technique because she insisted that FTG be saved for Naruto and she would be teleported by the pot thingy.

Which brings me to how Naruto will learn the technique and become even better at it than his dad. There are those 3 elite guards which used to serve the 4th so they will teach him the technique.Then Naruto being the hardworker that he is will master the jutsu fairly quickly and everyone will be amazed.

I will show some examples now of when Naruto mastered techniques and astonished everyone.

Firstly,when Naruto stole the forbidden scroll and mastered Shadow clones in like 1 hour.

Secondly,the time Naruto first met Tsunade and made a bet that he could master Rasengan in a week which he did.

Thirdly, when he was learning how to use the wind element he was able to cut a leaf in half after only about 1 nights' practice.I thought it took him pretty long until Kakashi explained that it takes about 6 months to do this.Then 2 days later of hard work Naruto is able to modify his Rasengan to a level was able to 1 shot Kakuzu easily.

Then there is Naruto mastering his Rasenshuriken which surpassed the 4th's rasengan.

Next comes SM which Naruto was able to use better than Jman. It was explained that Jman had to have the 2 sade toads on his shoulder to be in sage mode and when he used it parts of his body resembled a toads.

Last but not least, Naruto mastered KM which im not sure if this is something hard to do since only 2 people had it before him but none of them were able to go into KM.But Mito was able to sense negative emotions or w/e it does.

It was not said that Naruto surpassed Jirayai at SM, yes if I recall the 2 toads did say that Naruto reminded them of those 2 (Jirayai & Minato). I could be wrong about this maybe they/one of them said it but just looking at what they did it was entirely different. Jirayai took on Pain(s) without knowing anything about them (Even if Kakashi during his fight with Pain says something along the lines of "Wow Lord Jirayai took on 6 of these things? That is insane.") and Naruto had a lot of knowledge about the techniques Pain(s)/Nagato used already, a lot of help from other people: Hinata, Tsunade/Katsuyu, etc...(including 2 Gamabunta and the other Giant 2-Sword Toad, forgot his name) and the Kyuubi's Chakra which allows him to master all of those things because it allows Naruto to make tons of Shadow Clones (Multiple Shadow Clones is considered a kinjutsu, people tend to forget that) which in turn when they all come back, Naruto learns their experience/knowledge which is clearly a training method exclusive to Naruto.

Also, he hasn't mastered KM yet, he can't do a TBB :shrug: and Minato never mastered the Rasengan because he died to early, his purpose or mastering of the Rasengan was made for people to mix their elemental nature into it which yes you are correct he has mastered or is the character out of everyone who uses Rasengan or some form of it to seem the closest to a "Master" of it.

He could in theory learn FTG... if he had lighting nature jitu. Minito probally learned the instant teleporting like ability from interactions with the fox and the seal probably was a combo of his wife's seal knowledge and his own genius.

Naruto KM can make temporally make him extremely fast but it is no FTG.
1. doesn't seem as versicle (lateral movements vs. seal locations)
2. no nature chakara involved (naruto moving fast as opposed to a ninjitsu)
3. If he can already move extreemly fast why would he waste time, energy and chakara on FTG

Yes you are correct, it is no FTG (as I will get into with the other quotes). I don't think he needs Lightning Nature/Elemental Jutsu to learn FTG, and I don't think he learned FTG from the Kyuubi/Fox, he made Rasengan because of that (TBB). The FTG was probably made from the Seals/Sealing Techniques he learned from his wife and the Uzimaki's and definitely from his own intelligence and the fact that he was a genius-level Shinobi. I will get to your 3rd point later which kind of contradicts what you said entirely.

ftg is far better in a battle scenario than sheer speed ...with the help of seals he can do things which r not possible using speed ...like minato did with tobi

Completely correct and is most of what I was going to explain and answers the above Quoter's 3rd point. Yes he is extremely fast without FTG but like you>(Above Poster = Bluedevil) said FTG is way more versatile and can be used for so many different things. More on this later.

Some of you people are in denial. Naruto will learn the FTG Tsunade already hinted it when she said she'll save that jutsu for "HIM". Naruto is the only person that should be able to use the jutsu.

Naruto doesn't have the FTG. That jutsu isn't high speed motion, its a complicated summoning jutsu very simple. What Naruto is using Kurama's chakra to boost his speed very simple. Minato was also a speed demon like his son but he had the FTG. If Naruto had the FTG he wouldn't need to waist energy on running and dodging. Energy is stamina and chakra. Having the FTG doesn't make you a God its the way its used. Minato was a genus that made his battles look easy.

Also Naruto needs a sealing jutsu. As it just do happens the FTG is a sealing jutsu.

Correct as well but Naruto would use both FTG and his KM speed. (I don't think Naruto is considered a speed demon in regular form or at least I don't think that is one of the things someone would use to characterize him unless he is in SM or KM or in a Tailed-Cloak, etc...). He would still have to use chakra using FTG, Minato was just such a master over FTG he could use it so many times and with such control that he used minimal Chakra.

If his speed in km on foot matches FTG which is a teleportation jutsu then its safe to say he surpass it

I don't think his speed on foot matches FTG's speed. FTG can transport/reverse summon to anywhere the seal is. So if Naruto had a seal on one of the Kages and a seal with Killer-Bee, his actually body and not clones (or maybe both) could go in between battles much faster than his KM speed right now, thus the versatility of FTG, so I don't think he has surpassed FTG because I don't think you can surpass FTG in general and what I mean by that is even if one was able to teleport or just genuinely move faster, FTG is so versatile that it really is a God-Like ability/Jutsu. There are so many possibilities one has at their disposal when they have FTG.

he already has

Like I wrote above I don't think Naruto has surpassed FTG. There was another thread that was pretty popular that NB User Dave Chappelle made talking about whether or not that when Tsunade says "HIM" that she meant Naruto and/or if Naruto is going to learn FTG.

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I honestly do think Naruto will learn FTG and probably the regular FTG and a different version than his father/Minato (it would only be following pattern since he learned his Father's Techniques that were left for him) , but I don't think Tsunade meant Naruto when she said HIM.

I don't think he surpassed Minato in anyway yet. I think he will eventually but if we are just answering the Topic Question, Yes he will surpass Minato in FTG but we won't be able to prove it theoretically or through the Manga unless we see more back-story on Minato.

 

[yeahhh]

The next generation surpasses the previous, one of the main points of the Manga.

So yes..

 

[White Zetsu]

Good thread + rep.

 

[niblack89]

(sigh) you people talk about the FTG but you have no idea of what the jutsu really is. Naruto's speed could never surpass the FTG. Minato could travel to the sand to the leaf in an instant. Last time I checked Naruto can't do that. Naruto is fast THATS ALL! Naruto doesn't know the FTG because there are only 3 people that we know that can use the jutsu but they can only use the jutsu together.

Jiraiya nor Kakashi knew or taught Naruto the FTG or we would have saw Naruto pull out the FTG rite. So enough with the Naruto knows or Naruto has the FTG. It was hinted by Tsunade he will learn the jutsu.

 

[Mr.Beastie]

It was not said that Naruto surpassed Jirayai at SM, yes if I recall the 2 toads did say that Naruto reminded them of those 2 (Jirayai & Minato). I could be wrong about this maybe they/one of them said it but just looking at what they did it was entirely different. Jirayai took on Pain(s) without knowing anything about them (Even if Kakashi during his fight with Pain says something along the lines of "Wow Lord Jirayai took on 6 of these things? That is insane.") and Naruto had a lot of knowledge about the techniques Pain(s)/Nagato used already, a lot of help from other people: Hinata, Tsunade/Katsuyu, etc...(including 2 Gamabunta and the other Giant 2-Sword Toad, forgot his name) and the Kyuubi's Chakra which allows him to master all of those things because it allows Naruto to make tons of Shadow Clones (Multiple Shadow Clones is considered a kinjutsu, people tend to forget that) which in turn when they all come back, Naruto learns their experience/knowledge which is clearly a training method exclusive to Naruto.

Also, he hasn't mastered KM yet, he can't do a TBB :shrug: and Minato never mastered the Rasengan because he died to early, his purpose or mastering of the Rasengan was made for people to mix their elemental nature into it which yes you are correct he has mastered or is the character out of everyone who uses Rasengan or some form of it to seem the closest to a "Master" of it.



Yes you are correct, it is no FTG (as I will get into with the other quotes). I don't think he needs Lightning Nature/Elemental Jutsu to learn FTG, and I don't think he learned FTG from the Kyuubi/Fox, he made Rasengan because of that (TBB). The FTG was probably made from the Seals/Sealing Techniques he learned from his wife and the Uzimaki's and definitely from his own intelligence and the fact that he was a genius-level Shinobi. I will get to your 3rd point later which kind of contradicts what you said entirely.



Completely correct and is most of what I was going to explain and answers the above Quoter's 3rd point. Yes he is extremely fast without FTG but like you>(Above Poster = Bluedevil) said FTG is way more versatile and can be used for so many different things. More on this later.



Correct as well but Naruto would use both FTG and his KM speed. (I don't think Naruto is considered a speed demon in regular form or at least I don't think that is one of the things someone would use to characterize him unless he is in SM or KM or in a Tailed-Cloak, etc...). He would still have to use chakra using FTG, Minato was just such a master over FTG he could use it so many times and with such control that he used minimal Chakra.



I don't think his speed on foot matches FTG's speed. FTG can transport/reverse summon to anywhere the seal is. So if Naruto had a seal on one of the Kages and a seal with Killer-Bee, his actually body and not clones (or maybe both) could go in between battles much faster than his KM speed right now, thus the versatility of FTG, so I don't think he has surpassed FTG because I don't think you can surpass FTG in general and what I mean by that is even if one was able to teleport or just genuinely move faster, FTG is so versatile that it really is a God-Like ability/Jutsu. There are so many possibilities one has at their disposal when they have FTG.



Like I wrote above I don't think Naruto has surpassed FTG. There was another thread that was pretty popular that NB User Dave Chappelle made talking about whether or not that when Tsunade says "HIM" that she meant Naruto and/or if Naruto is going to learn FTG.

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I honestly do think Naruto will learn FTG and probably the regular FTG and a different version than his father/Minato (it would only be following pattern since he learned his Father's Techniques that were left for him) , but I don't think Tsunade meant Naruto when she said HIM.

I don't think he surpassed Minato in anyway yet. I think he will eventually but if we are just answering the Topic Question, Yes he will surpass Minato in FTG but we won't be able to prove it theoretically or through the Manga unless we see more back-story on Minato.

I agree with some of what you said but.... the part where you said that ftg is more versaitile is wrong. You said that if naruto had a seal on a kage he could leap to other battles in an instant. But if he did that he wouldnt know when the other battle needs his help or we when he does find out his comrades need his help its already too late.

Also when you said that ftg cant be surpassed.... you have to remember other speed jutsus come with perks as well. For example the fourth's and the third's raikages lightning armor not only gives them high speed but super strength as well, one hit from eiher of them and its game over for the enemy. Also the armor is impenetrable. The only jutsu penertrated it was chidori which is better cutting than wind jutsus. It also comes with high damging move just from simple slam to the ground

Now about naruto's speed. In KM narutio's speed is just Raikage's speed just a little faster witch comes with mininmum protection. but it does come with high destructive moves massive amounts of chakra. with KM mode naruto was able o make many differennt versions of rasengan


SO TO ME SAYING FTG IS NOT SURPASSABLE IS NOT TRUE.

 

[Honord Sage]

We do not know yet if maybe Minato left it in the frog scroll yet, but it may be their so that Naruto learns it inattentively at some point and time, but right now tail beast speed is doing just about the same thing for Naruto.

 

[White Zetsu]

Yes is he learns the technique he will surpass Minato.

 

[Kirin Rei]

It was not said that Naruto surpassed Jirayai at SM, yes if I recall the 2 toads did say that Naruto reminded them of those 2 (Jirayai & Minato).

Nah, Naruto surpassed Jiraiya in SM. Pa said so himself. Plus, Jiraiya couldn't completely handle natures energy, he underwent partial transformation whenever he went in SM. Pa said that Naruto perfectly mastered SM, with no side effects.

Also, he hasn't mastered KM yet, he can't do a TBB :shrug: and Minato never mastered the Rasengan because he died to early, his purpose or mastering of the Rasengan was made for people to mix their elemental nature into it which yes you are correct he has mastered or is the character out of everyone who uses Rasengan or some form of it to seem the closest to a "Master" of it.

Well indeed. He has the foxs' chakra but not it's cooperation. After reading the latest manga though, it seems as if a full cooperation is on the way from that tsundere Kurama.

By the way, I'm not sure if Minato would ever be able to complete Rasengan and merge it with his affinity.
Remember, Naruto trained with the help of his shadow clones. It might look as if he combined Rasengan with his affinity in a matter of days, but with the experience gained by his clones, he actually trained for years.
Plus, although Jiraiya, Minato and Kakashi perform Rasengan single handedly, I doubt that they could do it while infused with their affinity.

That's why that technique is ideal for Naruto. He can create hundreds of clones while just a couple would probably deplete Kakashi from chakra. What a beast.

I'm only speculating here, but as I said, I doubt that Rasengan imbued with an element would be a handy move for anyone other than Naruto, even Minato. It just takes too much.

Yes you are correct, it is no FTG (as I will get into with the other quotes). I don't think he needs Lightning Nature/Elemental Jutsu to learn FTG, and I don't think he learned FTG from the Kyuubi/Fox, he made Rasengan because of that (TBB). The FTG was probably made from the Seals/Sealing Techniques he learned from his wife and the Uzimaki's and definitely from his own intelligence and the fact that he was a genius-level Shinobi. I will get to your 3rd point later which kind of contradicts what you said entirely.

Not sealing though, it's a variant of the summoning jutsu.
Like the scroll Ma and Pa used to summon Naruto to mt. Myoboku. Think of it as; Minato had hundreds of mini scrolls and kunais with scrolls wrapped on them and he summoned himself to those.
He could even put the summoning mark on surfaces by just touching them.

Completely correct and is most of what I was going to explain and answers the above Quoter's 3rd point. Yes he is extremely fast without FTG but like you>(Above Poster = Bluedevil) said FTG is way more versatile and can be used for so many different things. More on this later.

I agree with you there. But I doubt Naruto has what it takes to use FTG to it's full potential. He's just too much of a goofball for that. Mind you, a very powerful, take out edo kage's with a clone while travelling faster than the eye can react powerful, goofball. But, still a goofball.

I don't think his speed on foot matches FTG's speed. FTG can transport/reverse summon to anywhere the seal is. So if Naruto had a seal on one of the Kages and a seal with Killer-Bee, his actually body and not clones (or maybe both) could go in between battles much faster than his KM speed right now, thus the versatility of FTG, so I don't think he has surpassed FTG because I don't think you can surpass FTG in general and what I mean by that is even if one was able to teleport or just genuinely move faster, FTG is so versatile that it really is a God-Like ability/Jutsu. There are so many possibilities one has at their disposal when they have FTG.

This, I completely agree with.

 

[itachiEMS]

Yeah he will