[Discussion] "This is definately HIS doing.." - Madara Uchiha

[HighDef]

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Madara mentions that on this page in Chapter 560.

Going back to the previous page, it seems the sight of an allied army causes him to say this. He then states this person seems to have a plan but it doesn't seem to be going well due to him (Madara) being revived "into this kind of state" (the war?).

Alternatively, he could mean the IWR technique that was used rather then the technique he had hoped Nagato would have used. I'm leaning more to this one because, soon after, Kabuto assures him his IWR is a special version and he is completed beyond what he was in his prime.

The puzzling piece is the 'HE'. Is he referring to to Tobi or someone he knew that could use IWR? - Orochimaru or the 2nd Hokage.

That aside, another interesting thing to note this time in Chapter 561:

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Madara glances under his armor and states that Kabuto has "certainly prepared well" after he realizes what's going on. Immediately after he asks if Kabuto knows of "OUR plan" to which Kabuto knows nothing of in detail but assures Madara he is on HIS side (Madara). He then confirms that Tobi is NOT Madara Uchiha in any shape, form or fashion.

I believe Kabuto has used the one Zetsu given to him by Tobi to constantly supply Edo Madara with Hashirama's power thus making his Edo "special" compared to the others. However, the plan that they speak of and exactly who they are referring to had baffled me completely and any back-tracking through time just doesn't add up right.

Oh Kishi, you troll you.

Discuss.

 

[Lord Snow]

Well it can't be the 2nd cause kabuto said he;'s the person assistant, it has to be orochimaru

 

[JojocIaw]

Interesting that the zetsu fits into madaras ability to use mokuton. I believe that is his first time using it since he states that he wants to try a jutsu. You could argue he had it when he took hashirama's cells but then why did he state that?

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[Gama]

Hmm...nice theory...and btw...about second hokage...he's name is Tobirama if i am not mistaken...there is tobi in tobirama's name (TOBIrama)...i always thought it's weird in some way...xd

 

[HighDef]

Well it can't be the 2nd cause kabuto said he;'s the person assistant, it has to be orochimaru

Hmm, it's true that Kabuto has only been Orochimaru's true assistant. I'm not sure if he considers himself as such with Tobi so this could be true. But for Madara to know Orochimaru as well as Nagato ...

Interesting that the zetsu fits into madaras ability to use mokuton. I believe that is his first time using it since he states that he wants to try a jutsu. You could argue he had it when he took hashirama's cells but then why did he state that?

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I'm guessing he has used it before when testing out the powers he got from the battle, just not in the presence of anyone which is why he said "It'd make a bigger impact if people were around anyway." It is interesting though.

Hmm...nice theory...and btw...about second hokage...he's name is Tobirama if i am not mistaken...there is tobi in tobirama's name (TOBIrama)...i always thought it's weird in some way...xd

Plus Minato also said Tobirama was good with Space-Time Ninjutsu, which made me think maybe there is a connection somewhere. But the fact that Tobirama was summoned using IWR to fight against Hiruzen made me discard that entirely.

 

[Waltz]

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Madara mentions that on this page in Chapter 560.

Going back to the previous page, it seems the sight of an allied army causes him to say this. He then states this person seems to have a plan but it doesn't seem to be going well due to him (Madara) being revived "into this kind of state" (the war?).

Alternatively, he could mean the IWR technique that was used rather then the technique he had hoped Nagato would have used. I'm leaning more to this one because, soon after, Kabuto assures him his IWR is a special version and he is completed beyond what he was in his prime.

The puzzling piece is the 'HE'. Is he referring to to Tobi or someone he knew that could use IWR? - Orochimaru or the 2nd Hokage.

That aside, another interesting thing to note this time in Chapter 561:

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Madara glances under his armor and states that Kabuto has "certainly prepared well" after he realizes what's going on. Immediately after he asks if Kabuto knows of "OUR plan" to which Kabuto knows nothing of in detail but assures Madara he is on HIS side (Madara). He then confirms that Tobi is NOT Madara Uchiha in any shape, form or fashion.

I believe Kabuto has used the one Zetsu given to him by Tobi to constantly supply Edo Madara with Hashirama's power thus making his Edo "special" compared to the others. However, the plan that they speak of and exactly who they are referring to had baffled me completely and any back-tracking through time just doesn't add up right.

Oh Kishi, you troll you.

Discuss.

is this not where he got the zetsu spores?

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[Timiursa]

I believe that situation has potential to be misunderstood. What Tobi means is, that one of the zetsus made sure that Kabuto is "infected" with zetsu spores, so that Tobi can keep an eye on him. That's how I understood it back then ^^

 

[Inception]

Madara is stating that the war itself is the "fake" Madara's doing, "HIS" is referring to Tobi. Then he states that things don't seem to be going according to plan because of IWR. Kabuto clearly states that he is "HIS assistant" on the bottom panel.

I personally think Tobi is none other than Izuna Uchiha (Madara's younger brother). Madara clearly informed his subordinate what he wanted to do in case of his death vs. Hashirama and who could be a better person to carry out his plan than his own brother?

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The origin of the name Tobi also makes sense because Tobirama was the 2nd Hokage, younger brother of the 1st. He might be around Izuna's age making them possible rivals. It's odd that Tobi had no idea what IWR was but he had space-time ninjutsu that the 2nd Hokage was known for.

 

[HighDef]

I posted this earlier in another thread regarding Tobi being Izuna:

"If Tobi was Izuna then wouldn't he have been glad that Kabuto brought back Madara? Wouldn't he be willing to carry out the plan and sync witch the Gedo instead of using Sasuke? Wouldn't that have been thier plan?

Tobi is nothing but a fake. I highly doubt he is even an Uchiha for that matter."

 

[StrifeMaccy]

I posted this earlier in another thread regarding Tobi being Izuna:

"If Tobi was Izuna then wouldn't he have been glad that Kabuto brought back Madara? Wouldn't he be willing to carry out the plan and sync witch the Gedo instead of using Sasuke? Wouldn't that have been thier plan?

Tobi is nothing but a fake. I highly doubt he is even an Uchiha for that matter."

I was under the impression he was meant to be revived by the Rinnengan, in a way that doesn't make Madara a slave to the resurrecter, so if someone had done that to my brother, wouldn't be the happiest of crazy shinobi

 

[varunnurav]

why cant izuna want a revenge on madara as for once he might want the leadership instead of madara afterall uchiha is supposed to be known for their hatred and revenge

 

[Uzumaki Dan]

Tobi is who he is, let's hope kishi doesn't make us wait 20 chapters to find out his real identity.
One thing I truly know is that Tobi is an Uchiha, he dawns the Uchiha crest on his clothing,
Even in his lair where he performed sasukes eye surgery.

 

[Uzumaki Dan]

Tobi is who he is, let's hope kishi doesn't make us wait 20 chapters to find out his real identity.
One thing I truly know is that Tobi is an Uchiha, he dawns the Uchiha crest on his clothing,
Even in his lair where he performed sasukes eye surgery.

Also on his weapons, I forgot that 1.

 

[niblack89]

Tobi can't be Tobirama. Tobirama was resurrected by Orouchimaru. That means he's dead.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

We cannot rule out that Madara and Tobi are not related, or possibly a type of "halves of the same being".

We know from Muu that Naruto characters can split. We know about clone techniques, and we know that certain elements of science and technology exist in Naruto such as walkies-talkies, so cloning someone may not be ruled out, but is unlikely.

1. We know that Madara knows Nagato, and Tobi claimed to have given him the Rinnegan.
2. Nagato was supposed to use the Samsara of Heavenly Life technique tor Tobi, and Madara assumed that Nagato used it on him to bring him back.
3. The Zetsu army, which were cultivated from Hashirama's cells are also the same cells that allow Madara to use Wood Release.

This among other things, but I am not certain that Tobi and Madara are any bit the same person either. Nor will I post my theory on the subject because it is exhausting.

Though I am curious as to what role the Zetsu spores will play on Kabuto.

 

[veggetta13]

I believe he is saying : -this is my plan-. To what I reply: i understand this is the Uchiha Madara revenge Plan of All Times, to what we just sit and watch however it works out.

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

I believe Tobi is related to Madara and they both want to carry out the plan, but Tobi wanted to have Madara under his control.

 

[veggetta13]

boogie

 

[veggetta13]

man

 

[lord niijima]

tobi is hashirama's son, tsunade's father.