Misconception about the Tailed Beasts

[Blaze Release]

After the latest chapter there has been alot of threads concerning the tailed beasts and ive read most of them. Now from what ive read it seems like people do not understand what the tailed beasts really are.

Alot of people asking questions whether the tailed beasts are physically stronger than the other or whether they have genders xd. Now what people fail to get is that tailed beasts are a mass of chakra/spiritual energy. Ill explain further, using uploaded pages from the manga.

As tobi basically said; the 1 tailed to the 9 tailed are nothing more than beings created by the divided chakra of the 10 tails. Meaning that they are all mass chakra in a form of creatures, but they arent really living breathing creatures but chakra given a form.

Now we know that the sage, extracted the 10 tails chakra (which is made up of 1-9) and buried its body on the moon. This further proofs that out of all the tailed beasts only the 10 tails was a living breathing animal, which had a body. Its chakra is what was sealed in the sage and later split into 9 forms.

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As i said the tailed beast apart from the 10 tailed are mass of chakra given a form/spirit given a form. Now we know that edo tensei summons the soul of the dead and implants it into a sacrifice and the sacrifice takes the form of the soul that has been summoned.

Now the death god technique was used on both edo Hashirama and Tobirama and in both instances, it basically ripped the soul out of the sacrifice body, now when that happened we saw who the sacrifice's really were;

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Sarutobi using the technique on the 1st and 2nd;

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Edo Souls has been ripped;

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We see who the sacrifices were;

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If you notice, only the souls were ripped out of the sacrifices body, whilst nothing really happened to the body apart from the fact that we know who were the sacrifices

Now this same technique was used by Minato on the kyuubi but there was a difference. Minato sealed half of the kyuubi in himself. Since the kyuubi has no body and its infact chakra he sealed half of the kyuubi itself. Now as one of Sarutobi's bodyguards said, the kyuubi shrunk. It shrunk because its a mass of chakra with no body and the partial sealing of it was bound to make it shrink. As minato said himself 'what a heavy chakra'

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The reason why i brought the hokage's fight into this thread is because its very important in understand what im trying to say. In the hokages case, their body cannot be sealed because its material. In the kyuubi's case its 'body' can be sealed because it isnt material, it is a mass of chakra/spiritual energy in the form of a fox.

The fact that all the tailed beasts can be sealed into a human being clearly shows that its just a mass of chakra with no real material body. Kushina saying that she will drag the beast with her to her death in order to prevent it from coming back for a while, further proves that it has no body and its just chakra which will eventually regenerate and terrorise the world again over time;

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What im trying to say is that, the tailed beasts are just a mass of foul chakra/spiritual energy that belongs to the 10 tailed. They individually have no material body. Im not sure if you guys watch bleach or beyblade or any other anime which depicts spirits as having form, either a human form or an animal form. But this is basically the same as the 1-9 tailed beasts, apart from the 10 tailed who was actually a living breathing animal with a material body. I know some people know all this already, but i feel the need to clarify this misconception

 

[fastrthnwind]

Well, technically they are a living, sentient mass of chakra, but other than that, everything you said is correct. Their bodies are just materializations of their own chakra, so if you try to seal a portion of it, it will just make them shrink.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

I know this but you put everything i was trying to say in words GREAT THREAD hopefully this will shut everyone up about it. and the kyuubi cannot get that charka back finally thank you

 

[Uchiha Gohan]

After the latest chapter there has been alot of threads concerning the tailed beasts and ive read most of them. Now from what ive read it seems like people do not understand what the tailed beasts really are.

Alot of people asking questions whether the tailed beasts are physically stronger than the other or whether they have genders xd. Now what people fail to get is that tailed beasts are a mass of chakra/spiritual energy. Ill explain further, using uploaded pages from the manga.

As tobi basically said; the 1 tailed to the 9 tailed are nothing more than beings created by the divided chakra of the 10 tails. Meaning that they are all mass chakra in a form of creatures, but they arent really living breathing creatures but chakra given a form.

Now we know that the sage, extracted the 10 tails chakra (which is made up of 1-9) and buried its body on the moon. This further proofs that out of all the tailed beasts only the 10 tails was a living breathing animal, which had a body. Its chakra is what was sealed in the sage and later split into 9 forms.

Spoiler

The link below goes into more detail, read it carefully;

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If it isnt clear there is the link to the page;

You must be registered for see links

Some people might want more evidence, allow me to demonstrate it further.
As i said the tailed beast apart from the 10 tailed are mass of chakra given a form/spirit given a form. Now we know that edo tensei summons the soul of the dead and implants it into a sacrifice and the sacrifice takes the form of the soul that has been summoned.

Now the death god technique was used on both edo Hashirama and Tobirama and in both instances, it basically ripped the soul out of the sacrifice body, now when that happened we saw who the sacrifice's really were;

Spoiler

Sarutobi using the technique on the 1st and 2nd;

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Edo Souls has been ripped;

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We see who the sacrifices were;

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If you notice, only the souls were ripped out of the sacrifices body, whilst nothing really happened to the body apart from the fact that we know who were the sacrifices

Now this same technique was used by Minato on the kyuubi but there was a difference. Minato sealed half of the kyuubi in himself. Since the kyuubi has no body and its infact chakra he sealed half of the kyuubi itself. Now as one of Sarutobi's bodyguards said, the kyuubi shrunk. It shrunk because its a mass of chakra with no body and the partial sealing of it was bound to make it shrink. As minato said himself 'what a heavy chakra'

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The reason why i brought the hokage's fight into this thread is because its very important in understand what im trying to say. In the hokages case, their body cannot be sealed because its material. In the kyuubi's case its 'body' can be sealed because it isnt material, it is a mass of chakra/spiritual energy in the form of a fox.

The fact that all the tailed beasts can be sealed into a human being clearly shows that its just a mass of chakra with no real material body. Kushina saying that she will drag the beast with her to her death in order to prevent it from coming back for a while, further proves that it has no body and its just chakra which will eventually regenerate and terrorise the world again over time;

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What im trying to say is that, the tailed beasts are just a mass of foul chakra/spiritual energy that belongs to the 10 tailed. They individually have no material body. Im not sure if you guys watch bleach or beyblade or any other anime which depicts spirits as having form, either a human form or an animal form. But this is basically the same as the 1-9 tailed beasts, apart from the 10 tailed who was actually a living breathing animal with a material body. I know some people know all this already, but i feel the need to clarify this misconception

I already knew this, but this was very detailed and good. You spent a good amount of time on this. Hopefully this will help those that don't understand. +rep. :izuna:

 

[Blaze Release]

I know this but you put everything i was trying to say in words GREAT THREAD hopefully this will shut everyone up about it. and the kyuubi cannot get that charka back finally thank you

Well, technically they are a living, sentient mass of chakra, but other than that, everything you said is correct. Their bodies are just materializations of their own chakra, so if you try to seal a portion of it, it will just make them shrink.

I know that some people knew this already, but it had to be said because reading so of the other threads, i was just thinking wtf. These people have no clue what they are talking about. Nice to know some people understand

I already knew this, but this was very detailed and good. You spent a good amount of time on this. Hopefully this will help those that don't understand. +rep. :izuna:

Thanks for the rep.

 

[Blaze Release]

How come so far everybody has claimed to already know this and yet going by what ive read in various threads it seems the opposite xd

 

[Vayne]

finally not someone whom is a total bas*** who thinks he knows it all while he's wrong good thread and explanation

 

[-S-]

good thread +rep

 

[ackeem1992]

it's pretty obvious being it was clearly stated by the manga.

 

[Noble Armada]

So then do you think the Kyuubi eventually recovered the chakra that Minato sealed? If Kushina was planning on sealing it back into herself, but said that that could only hold it for a while, wouldn't that mean that the chakra absorbed by Minato was also eventually recovered?

I think this is a great thread and really explained a lot, but I think it's simply the fact that the manga hasn't given us enough information to be sure.

If the Kyuubi's Yang chakra is permanently sealed, how can Tobi ever revive the Juubi?

 

[doubledude]

nice thread...+rep

 

[Blaze Release]

it's pretty obvious being it was clearly stated by the manga.

Youd be surprised by how little people know, thats why i needed to further clarify this issue.

So then do you think the Kyuubi eventually recovered the chakra that Minato sealed? If Kushina was planning on sealing it back into herself, but said that that could only hold it for a while, wouldn't that mean that the chakra absorbed by Minato was also eventually recovered?

I think this is a great thread and really explained a lot, but I think it's simply the fact that the manga hasn't given us enough information to be sure.

If the Kyuubi's Yang chakra is permanently sealed, how can Tobi ever revive the Juubi?

Im not sure if the kyuubi has regained its chakra 'body' back. This is what i think, if its a mass of chakra and half has been sealed, then it would make sense for it to regain its chakra 'body'back. Saying that minato said he permanently sealed it, therefore im not sure.

I dont think tobi needs the full kyuubi's chakra to revive the juubi. Infact if i remember correctly he said he could still revive it and im sure he said something about using the gold and silver brothers or something.

There is still alot to clarify but this thread is basically trying to tell people that the 1-9 tailed beasts are just chakra from the 10 tailed and they arent real creatures

 

[Noble Armada]

Im not sure if the kyuubi has regained its chakra 'body' back. This is what i think, if its a mass of chakra and half has been sealed, then it would make sense for it to regain its chakra 'body'back. Saying that minato said he permanently sealed it, therefore im not sure.

I dont think tobi needs the full kyuubi's chakra to revive the juubi. Infact if i remember correctly he said he could still revive it and im sure he said something about using the gold and silver brothers or something.

There is still alot to clarify but this thread is basically trying to tell people that the 1-9 tailed beasts are just chakra from the 10 tailed and they arent real creatures

Fair enough. Good points, and I think you clearly explained what you were trying to. Hopefully it'll clear up some confusion for people.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

How come so far everybody has claimed to already know this and yet going by what ive read in various threads it seems the opposite xd

I knew this but again im no lazy to write it out and research the manga etc. i was gonna make one about hakus speed being compared to the 4th hokage its all in my brain but to lazy to put it on paper. you have a good thread dont get gassed by thinking your the only one who knew. you were the first to put it in a clear text for the ones who were in denial. good thread though

 

[Better]

This is obvious... If you were talking about tails doesnt equal strength or that the kyuubi cant regenerate his sealed chakra then we'd have an arguement lol

 

[Blaze Release]

I knew this but again im no lazy to write it out and research the manga etc. i was gonna make one about hakus speed being compared to the 4th hokage its all in my brain but to lazy to put it on paper. you have a good thread dont get gassed by thinking your the only one who knew. you were the first to put it in a clear text for the ones who were in denial. good thread though

Oho i want to see this thread about haku's speed being compared to minato's. Anyway i did made it clear that some people already knew this already

 

[Gage Hatake]

great thread +rep

 

[prakashkumar]

I get it now

 

[Martano]

You summarised it very well. I just read through the Minato fight the other day incidentally.

However there was one (minor) flaw. Whilst you're entire statement was correct you said that because it was a mass of chakra (which the beasts definitely are) that storing the chakra in a body proves that they have no body and are literally just masses of chakra. (they definitely are, but the next comment is just an observation).

The only contradicting evidence would be the storing of toads within a human body. Such as the 9 tails sealing key which Jiraiya recieved from Minato. They are not masses of chakra yet are stored within a human vessel. Obviously they are not as colossal as the Kyuubi though...

I know I'm being really, really, really picky but I thought I would just mention it.

Evidently it does not disprove your excellent post, so I shall give you +rep to compensate for my, what is more than likely an uneccessary observation.

Good to see posts like this. Well done Blaze Release!

 

[Tosen]

And yet another amazing thread by Blaze release + REP