Itachi Vs Kakashi(No Sharingans in this match)
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Ultimatevirus
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itachi will beat kakashi..... kakashi cannot even masterchidori without sharingan... (his only self made jutsu)
YellowFang
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Are you nuts??? Itachi w/o sharingan heads towards Kakashi at full speed and what if kakashi mean while swings the Decapitating blade.....Itachi in pieces...
Sharingan gives a person high reflexes which automatically increase their speed.
Have you seen Sasuke vs lee in part 1???
Sasuke headed towards lee w/o sharingan and got bad-assed, then he activated his sharingan to increase his attacking speed and then charged at a greater speed and still got pawned by lee, well that's another matter....
Sharingan sure takes part in ones speed...
ninjastormgenaration33
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Saiyan Kammy
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Kyuubikiller
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Kakashi......
Gorillaz are the shit by the way!!! Listening to Plastic Beach right now! lol
Kakashi Hatakeo
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Wow i am suprised with the amount of people saying kakashi would win, if thats the case that makes him superbadass. I would like to pick kakashi but honestly i think itachi would win id like to see kakashi keep up with itachi's shuriken skills
johnny335704
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LOL. I dont see the point of removing sharingan from sharingan users. Why dont i make a Nagato Vs. Anyone w/o the perks of rennin. Its a waste of time and doesnt mean anything.
But i still think itachi will win. Itachi wasnt named the copy ninja kakashi was. So my guess is that itachi has more jutsu and greater ability than kakashi.
Just becuase itachi had sharingan isnt the reason why so may ninja faired him. Otherwise any ninja with sharingan would be faired the same way. We know that isnt true. Itachi was said to become a chunnin by like age 6? and an anbu by like 12 or 13? I dont know what kakashi became a chunnin or when he became anbu but i doubt it was the same age as itachi.
This match-up is just a waste of time. Itachi wins.
But i still think itachi will win. Itachi wasnt named the copy ninja kakashi was. So my guess is that itachi has more jutsu and greater ability than kakashi.
Just becuase itachi had sharingan isnt the reason why so may ninja faired him. Otherwise any ninja with sharingan would be faired the same way. We know that isnt true. Itachi was said to become a chunnin by like age 6? and an anbu by like 12 or 13? I dont know what kakashi became a chunnin or when he became anbu but i doubt it was the same age as itachi.
This match-up is just a waste of time. Itachi wins.
Itachi Namikaze
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Actually you are wrong about quite a few things. Itachi does not have low chakra, he has average chakra levels. And he had enough chakra to make Curse Mark Sasuke who had absorbed Oro almost die of chakra exhaustion(which means Sasuke had more chakra than normal because of the CM and absorbing Oro) .
Itachi's speed is in no way reliant on the sharingan. His speed is much faster than Kakashi's normally. And without the sharingan it would be harder for kakashi to track Itachi's speed. He couldn't even see Itachi's hand seals with the sharingan so how would he without it?
Secondly it has been stated that Kakashi's only jutsu that he did not copy is chidori and then raikiri, which is basically a more powerful chidori.
Secondly, do you know how hard it is to break out of Itachi's genjutsus? And how many people automatically know that they are in a genjutsu? None, things have to seem off, or you have to have a dojutsu to be able to tell and even that is not a sure thing.
I don't know why the Kakashi fanpeople are trying so hard on this one.
Even if we allowed kakashi to have all of those jutsus that he got from the sharingan, which isn't fair if we are taking away Itachi's sharingan jutsus, Itachi would still have all this over Kakashi:
Speed - Itachi is much faster, no comparison here
Intelligence - Probably about equal but if anything it goes to Itachi
Genjutsu - Kakashi has no way of knowing he is in one without the sharingan, and even then it is not guaranteed he can break it.
Chakra levels - no one has the advantage because they have equal chakra levels, even with Itachi being sick they are equal which says something.
If you don't believe me check the databook stats for speed, intelligence, and chakra levels. Intelligence will probably be equal but that is because they don't give more than a 5, otherwise Itachi would be higher than kakashi.
The only advantage that kakashi has is the elemental advantage of earth vs. water and water vs. Itachi's fire
Canon elements are these - Itachi - Water, Fire
Kakashi - Water, Earth, lightning
So even if we allowed Kakashi to use all of those jutsus that he got through the sharingan then Itachi still would have the advantage in every other way.
Kakashi fans can yell and scream all they want but Itachi is just better than him. He could've beaten Asuma, Kakashi, and Kurenai by himself with only a 3-tomoe if he wanted to.
Haha itachi will win this i mean dont you guys remember the fight when kakashi was trying his ass of while itachi was just chillin(both had sharingan) + kakashi had backup from asuma,kurenai gai XD.
Now you dudes want to put itachi 1v1? XD kakashi will shit brix.
even when it cames to ages itachi is like 20 or something while kakashi around 35 and still itachi's process of gaining new abilities way faster lol.
you guys are fooling yourself..........
Now you dudes want to put itachi 1v1? XD kakashi will shit brix.
even when it cames to ages itachi is like 20 or something while kakashi around 35 and still itachi's process of gaining new abilities way faster lol.
you guys are fooling yourself..........
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fastrthnwind
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I know that if you take away both of their sharingan it doesn't make them pathetically weak, but it levels the playing field as far as the mangekyou sharingan goes since itachi has such powerul jutsu with it.
No one seems to realize that kakashi has more experience himself as he is much older than itachi himself. He graduated from the academy at 5, was made a chunin at 6, and then a jounin at 13. Something that rivals what itachi himself has done
They are both incredibly smart and fast with a few ninjutsus and genjutsus up their sleeves even withouth their sharingan.
I would actually call this match quite even.
If people vote for kakashi, then they are not automatically fanboys. They simply believe that kakashi is actually capable of holding his own against itachi since he doesn't have any of his OP techniques from mangekyou.
No one seems to realize that kakashi has more experience himself as he is much older than itachi himself. He graduated from the academy at 5, was made a chunin at 6, and then a jounin at 13. Something that rivals what itachi himself has done
They are both incredibly smart and fast with a few ninjutsus and genjutsus up their sleeves even withouth their sharingan.
I would actually call this match quite even.
If people vote for kakashi, then they are not automatically fanboys. They simply believe that kakashi is actually capable of holding his own against itachi since he doesn't have any of his OP techniques from mangekyou.
Itachi Namikaze
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You are downgrading Itachi. You say he is equal to kakashi in those things which isn't true. If someone were faster than me and I were to just say we are both fast, it still matters who is faster because the faster person would win a race. Sure I might be fast as well but he is faster.
I am not trying to bring Kakashi down, he is fast and intelligent, but Itachi is much faster and more intelligent.
You also say that they both have genjutsus and a few ninjutsus, well that is still downgrading Itachi. He specialized in genjutsu, that is what he does in all of his battles and he is far more skilled with it than kakashi. He beat kurenai easily, who is a genjutsu expert, and Itachi wasn't even using his sharingan.
I've already listed out in my last post all that Itachi has over Kakashi.
Speed - Itachi, Kakashi couldn't keep up with his speed with the sharingan, how could he expect to without it?
Intelligence - about even but I would give Itachi the edge
Genjutsu - Itachi, no competition here, just like speed.
Strength - about even, neither of them are known for their physical strength
Chakra levels - either even or Itachi, they have equal chakra levels but that is while Itachi was dying, and the databooks took that into account.
Ninjutsu - Kakashi has the elemental advantage here with earth over water and water over fire.
One more thing that everyone seems to forget. Itachi still has the Yata mirror and the Totsuka sword. They aren't restricted to his Susanoo, they are real weapons, and I don't think the thread creator restricted them. If he did not then Kakashi literally has no chance because he loses his only advantage which is the elemental strengths over Itachi.
Hopefully you can see why this is still a victory for Itachi. It would not be as easy as it would be if he had his sharingan, but he still wins regardless. You aren't allowed into Akatsuki at 13, after becoming an ANBU captain, and killing off the entire Uchiha clan for nothing. He is ultra skilled regardless of the sharingan, and is a high level jounin, but with it he is elite kage level.
EDIT: When I said that Itachi didn't use his sharingan against Kurenai I meant that he did not use it for the reverse genjutsu he did, it was activated but that is only because he keeps it activated basically all the time.
It would be fairly difficult for Itachi, I am not trying to downgrade Kakashi, but Itachi is basically a slightly better version of Kakashi.
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fastrthnwind
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I never downgrade anyone.
It's true that itachi is a bit faster than kakashi, but then again, itachi doesn't have his sharingan either and it will be hard to keep up with kakashi himself despite not being as fast.
They are both extremely smart, but I would probably give itachi a slight edge as well.
Itachi is very adept at genjutsu no doubt, but that doesn't mean that kakashi is unable to counter with any at all despite his inferiority in the matter.
You can't even say itachi has higher levels if it's not equal, even if you don't take account for his illness. The databook most likely wouldn't take such factors into account as the illness was an unknown factor that hindered his abilities.
And of course ninjutsu is mostly kakashi's profession as he is most known for his skill with it, similar with itachi to genjutsu. As you said, he also has the elemental advantage.
I will not discuss his legendary items that he has, but if you go onto my twin thread, then we can discuss this w/o the legendary items as i specifically restricted itachi from using them as it gives him yet another ridiculous advantage.
Kakashi is also an elite jonin wthout it as he doesn't rely on it as much as people thinks he does and kage material with it. If the leaf had no hokages or sannin, then these two would definitely be the most likely candidates for becoming hokage.
I'm not saying that kakashi is GOING to win, but I think it is a pretty even match
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Ultimatevirus
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you need to have high reserves of chakra to use ms techniques.... (itachi did this when he was sick n his stamina was degraded to low)
fastrthnwind
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Yes its requires a substantial amount of chakra, which is why he couldn't hold it for too long. Itachi eventually died from overuse of his MS.
