Itachi Vs Kakashi(No Sharingans in this match)

[Blaze Release]

Would you care to explain how this is so?

Cause like I checked, kakashi was one of those once in a generation geniuses who was born into a family without a bloodline.

Ive updated my post. Btw itachi was said to be a genius amongst a clan of geniuses

 

[fastrthnwind]

Itachi shits on kakashi whatever way you look at it.

Alot of people feel that without a bloodline a person is weak and this is not the case for many. Sure the sharigan has aided itachi, he took advantage of his blood line.

The way itachi is, even if he wasnt born with a bloodline he would still pwn the majority of characters including kakashi.

Itachi and kakashi are light years apart.

If you go into detail and anaylse their feat;
Ninjutsu; ? (reason being its because of the sharigan that has let kakashi copy 1000, if he didnt have this, we shoudlnt include his 1000 jutsu's he has learnt from the use of the sharigan)

Taijutsu; Equal (the data book stats, although ill leaning towards itachi)

Genjutsu; Itachi (Alot of people believe that the only way for itachi to get somebody in a genjutsu is by looking in their eyes and this is not the case at all. His genjutsu is not just eye techs at all)

Chakra reserves; kakashi (data book has him on 3, whilst itachi's is 2.5. You could strongly aruge that its because of his illness)

Strength; Equal

Hand seals; Itachi
Speed; Itachi

Weapon usage; Itachi

Intelligence; Itachi (I konw the data book has both of them at 5/5, but this isnt accurate because itachi is clearly the smarter of the two)

For the first part, their hand seals are both a 5/5. For the second part, you are using your own biased opinions to influence your answer.

And also, Sakumo Hatake, aka the White Fang, Kakashi's father was very well known in the narutoverse and was considered to be more famous and powerful than the sannin themselves. That in itself is a testament of his great legacy despite the Uchiha clan's power.

 

[Blaze Release]

For the first part, their hand seals are both a 5/5. For the second part, you are using your own biased opinions to influence your answer.

And also, Sakumo Hatake, aka the White Fang, Kakashi's father was very well known in the narutoverse and was considered to be more famous and powerful than the sannin themselves. That in itself is a testament of his great legacy despite the Uchiha clan's power.

Allow me to show you how inaccurate the data book is sometimes.
For example minato is the fastest ninja. We dont know his stats, but he would no doubt get a 5/5. The question is, does that mean itachi whose speed stats is also 5/5 would rival him in a speed battle?, no.

Similarly the data book stats has itachi's ninjutsu's at 5/5 due to his Op techs. Kakashi might have learnt a 1000 techs, does that mean they are all up to itachi's ninjutsu's standarad in terms of power, no.

Similarly we dont have stats for nagato but there is no doubt that his ninjutsu would be 5/5, yet his ninjutsu's blows kakashi's out of the water who's stats are also 5/5.

What im trying to say is that, due to maximum a character gets is 5, the stats do not show tell the whole story.

Once kakashi can form handseals, whislt throwing and dodging multiple shurikens whould i say his handseals are on far with itachi's.

Same goes for intelligence. The max you can get is a 5. Thats why both get the max, but if you look into in detail, itachi is by far more intelligent than kakashi in and out of battle


Why are you bringing kakashi's father into this. Also he wasnt said to be more powerful than the sannina. Its said that his power rival the sannins.

 

[hokutoshinken]

If you go into detail and anaylse their feat;
Ninjutsu; ? (reason being its because of the sharigan that has let kakashi copy 1000, if he didnt have this, we shoudlnt include his 1000 jutsu's he has learnt from the use of the sharigan)

kakashi got 3 affinity suiton,doton,raiton and affinity can't be copied by sharingan...itachi got katon and suiton.

suiton>katon
doton>suiton
raiton>suiton (darui vs suigetsu)

kakashi is by far better than him.

Taijutsu; Equal (the data book stats, although ill leaning towards itachi)

equal but i think kakashi is better .

Genjutsu; Itachi (Alot of people believe that the only way for itachi to get somebody in a genjutsu is by looking in their eyes and this is not the case at all. His genjutsu is not just eye techs at all)

without sharingan,itachi's genjutsu are weak,even sakura and chiyo wasn't affected wheareas kakashi was able to got sakura into genjutsu without using his sharingan.
itachi's genjutsus require sharingan especially the one he did on orochimaru.

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except for low genjutsu level like the crows and ephemeral.kakashi showed similar genjutsu to sakura without using his sharingan on the first chapters.

Chakra reserves; kakashi (data book has him on 3, whilst itachi's is 2.5. You could strongly aruge that its because of his illness)

Strength; Equal

Hand seals; Itachi

Speed; Itachi

Weapon usage; Itachi

Intelligence; Itachi (I konw the data book has both of them at 5/5, but this isnt accurate because itachi is clearly the smarter of the two)

kakashi got more strenght than itachi,he can open gates,kakashi is by far smater than him ,it's said that he got shikamaru's intelligence.and finally kakashi is by far more versatile.

 

[hokutoshinken]

the last databook is too old since a while it stoped at chapter 409 ,itachi's skills stoped while kakashi's one are still increasing ...

 

[hokutoshinken]

u must be a kakshi fanboy blaze and owarji have destroyed all your arguments

you should read how this hypocrit left after that i proved his lies by qoting his own post,and countered his idiotic points at page 3-4

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[scrmz]

Itachi's primary offensive techniques consist of his Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu (which he can "stream" too), Suiton: Suigadan, and Bunshin Daibakuha. He also has a helpful support technique in the form of Karasu Bunshin no Jutsu.

In straight up Taijutsu [excluding Bunshin feints and trickery], Itachi has the slight advantage. Both Itachi and Kakashi have equal stats in Taijutsu and strength [and the manga even implies this with their

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]. While Kakashi is quite fast himself, Itachi is half a tier above him in speed thus tilting the overall CQC scale to his favor.

In regards to the actual battle, any of Kakashi's Suitons can extinguish Itachi's Katons [especially Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu and Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu] due to the elemental cycle. While Kakashi will have to be wary of the very swift Suiton: Suigadan, he has shown the ability to keep up with it, even in Part I. Kakashi can also use Raiton: Ryouken to keep Itachi at bay, and possibly even paralyze him from a distance.


Kakashi's constant success with Bunshin feints

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leads me to believe he will be able to create an opening to capitalize upon. Furthermore, he has managed to see right through Itachi's Bunshin in the past, and thus could most likely do so again.

Kakashi also has his Raikiri, a guaranteed kill at close range, as well as his fan-dubbed

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, a formidable mid ranged technique. His support techniques include Mizu Bunshin no Jutsu and Raiton Kage Bunshin. Granted he will probably not use Raikiri due to not having the sharingan, he still has access to Rasengan.

Kakashi wins.

nice , clear , perfect

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[Blaze Release]

kakashi got 3 affinity suiton,doton,raiton and affinity can't be copied by sharingan...itachi got katon and suiton.

suiton>katon
doton>suiton
raiton>suiton (darui vs suigetsu)

kakashi is by far better than him.



equal but i think kakashi is better .


without sharingan,itachi's genjutsu are weak,even sakura and chiyo wasn't affected wheareas kakashi was able to got sakura into genjutsu without using his sharingan.
itachi's genjutsus require sharingan especially the one he did on orochimaru.

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except for low genjutsu level like the crows and ephemeral.kakashi showed similar genjutsu to sakura without using his sharingan on the first chapters.



kakashi got more strenght than itachi,he can open gates,kakashi is by far smater than him ,it's said that he got shikamaru's intelligence.and finally kakashi is by far more versatile.

Alot of people are confused by chakra elementary affiliation and what types of techniques you can use. Allow me to show you.

Most people have one chakra affiliation, but nobody's chakra affiliation is 100%. For example kakashi's chakra affiliation is lightning, but lets say that makes up 80% of his chakra. The other 20% can be earth and water.

This is what people dont get. If you have a majority chakra affiliation, you can use that elementary affiliation's strongest ninjutsus. Whilst if your second chakra affiliation is low, you can only use low level elementary affiliations.

Thats why kakashi can use s-rank lightning attack,s but not s-rank water techs. I suggest you go back and re read the kakashi vs kakuzu fight.

You keep on saying without sharigan. As i said itachi is a genjutsu genuis. You do not need the sharigan to cast a genjutsu and itachi has demonstrated this several times. Catching naruto by pointing a finger at him.

Also dispersing into crows at will without eye contact.

Kakashi firstly can open about 2 gates maximum and this is a taijutsu feat more than a strength feat.

Also kakashi is the person who said he is as smart as shikamaru, that doesnt mean its true. Also itachi has shown more intelligence feats in and out of battle

 

[fastrthnwind]

Allow me to show you how inaccurate the data book is sometimes.
For example minato is the fastest ninja. We dont know his stats, but he would no doubt get a 5/5. The question is, does that mean itachi whose speed stats is also 5/5 would rival him in a speed battle?, no.

Similarly the data book stats has itachi's ninjutsu's at 5/5 due to his Op techs. Kakashi might have learnt a 1000 techs, does that mean they are all up to itachi's ninjutsu's standarad in terms of power, no.

Similarly we dont have stats for nagato but there is no doubt that his ninjutsu would be 5/5, yet his ninjutsu's blows kakashi's out of the water who's stats are also 5/5.

What im trying to say is that, due to maximum a character gets is 5, the stats do not show tell the whole story.

Once kakashi can form handseals, whislt through and dodging multiple shurikens whould i say his handseals are on far with itachi's.

Same goes for intelligence. The max you can get is a 5. Thats why both get the max, but if you look into in detail, itachi is by far more intelligent than kakashi in and out of battle

Why are you bringing kakashi's father into this. Also he wasnt said to be more powerful than the sannina. Its said that his power rival the sannins.

While the part about a persons abilities being limited to a 5 as the highest may be true, the fact that their skills, without sharingan, are near equal is undeniable.

There is no evidence stating that itachi is greater than kakashi in and out of battle. In fact, itachi himself praised kakashi for his fighting skills.

 

[fastrthnwind]

he overrated kakshi.


he said kakshi could possibly take out kisame

I never overrate nor do I underrate anybody.

Show me this post you claim I have said, link and all.

 

[Blaze Release]

While the part about a persons abilities being limited to a 5 as the highest may be true, the fact that their skills, without sharingan, are near equal is undeniable.

There is no evidence stating that itachi is greater than kakashi in and out of battle. In fact, itachi himself praised kakashi for his fighting skills.

Their skill in comabt is no were near the same. Look how smart itachi is.
In part 1 at the age of 17. When he faced kakashi. He threw shurikens as a decoy, created a water clone and swapped place with the water clone so that the water clone is facing kurenai, whilst the real itachi is behind kakashi (who was also a water clone).

After the stabbing the kakashi water clone, itachi's water clone facing kurenai exploded. Kakashi acknowledged itachi as the better combat, when he not only remembered exactly what happened, he told them that this was the dude that became an anbu squad leader at the age of 13.

Itachi has already demonstrated that he is the more intelligent ninja in combat.

Now outside of combat, where do i start?. You dont want be to start on this because itachi has crazy feats on this, whislt kakashi hardly has any.

 

[fastrthnwind]

im talking about itachi himself fool.

Well then please make sure to mention itachi when referring to him.

 

[Blaze Release]

Anyway im done here. There is no point continuing this debate because we all know that itachi would still wipe the floor with kakashi without the sharigan.

Continuing this argument wouldnt change the already biased voting poll :shrug:

 

[fastrthnwind]

Their skill in comabt is no were near the same. Look how smart itachi is.
In part 1 at the age of 17. When he faced kakashi. He threw shurikens as a decoy, created a water clone and swapped place with the water clone so that the water clone is facing kurenai, whilst the real itachi is behind kakashi (who was also a water clone).

After the stabbing the kakashi water clone, itachi's water clone facing kurenai exploded. Kakashi acknowledged itachi as the better combat, when he not only remembered exactly what happened, he told them that this was the dude that became an anbu squad leader at the age of 13.

Itachi has already demonstrated that he is the more intelligence ninja in combat.

Now outside of combat, where do i start?. You dont want be to start on this because itachi has crazy feats on this, whislt kakashi hardly has any.

Now how about afterwards in shippuden when they both came to a deadlock in a taijutsu battle.

And what are you referring to when you mean outside of battle? Are you referring to how he fooled sasuke, or the use of kotoamatsukami on himself in the war?

 

[hokutoshinken]

You keep on saying without sharigan. As i said itachi is a genjutsu genuis. You do not need the sharigan to cast a genjutsu and itachi has demonstrated this several times. Catching naruto by pointing a finger at him.

Also dispersing into crows at will without eye contact.

without sharingan there is nothing genius in itachi's genjutsu , there is a big difference beetween sharingan eye contact genjutsu and the one he did without it (crows,efermal)

against orochimaru and kakashi he used 3 tomoes level eye contact genjutsu that was impresing.

but without eye contact it was pretty low level,he got naruto because he's weak at genjutsu. but even sakura and chiyo wasn't get caught ,same for kakashi.
itachi never showed a high level of genjutsu without eye contact .

 

[Blaze Release]

without sharingan there is nothing genius in itachi's genjutsu , there is a big difference beetween sharingan eye contact genjutsu and the one he did without it (crows,efermal)

against orochimaru and kakashi he used 3 tomoes level eye contact genjutsu that was impresing.

but without eye contact it was pretty low level,he got naruto because he's weak at genjutsu. but even sakura and chiyo wasn't get caught ,same for kakashi.
itachi never showed a high level of genjutsu without eye contact .

As i said you dont need the sharigan to use genjutsu and itachi has demonstrated this several times.

As for you saying sakura and chiyo weren't caught. He pointed his finger at naruto and him only

 

[Charles Kanuro]

kakashi wins, without sharigan all that chakra he uses for he can now use, the only bad part his his lighting blade, but kakashi also had his summonings, fire, lighting, and earth techs.

take the sharigan from an uchiha they have nothing but fire style left

 

[hokutoshinken]

As i said you dont need the sharigan to use genjutsu and itachi has demonstrated this several times.

As for you saying sakura and chiyo weren't caught. He pointed his finger at naruto and him only

depend on the level of genjutsu.
you're right he poitned only naruto but nothing prrof that sakura and other didn't watch whatever he was by far the weakest at genjutsu during that fight.that level of genjutsu won't work on kakashi ,he can also do genjutsus without sharingan.

 

[Better]

Itachi wins this without diff really

i mean kakashi can't even use raikiri his main jutsu

 

[Blaze Release]

Now how about afterwards in shippuden when they both came to a deadlock in a taijutsu battle.

And what are you referring to when you mean outside of battle? Are you referring to how he fooled sasuke, or the use of kotoamatsukami on himself in the war?

If you are talking about 30% chakra itachi clone?. If thats the case, then his clone more than held his own.

And yes im referencing to how he not only fooled sasuke all the way to the grave. He implanted amamterasu to ignite at the site of tobi's sharigan. He implanted kotoamatsukami in naruto for when sasuke attacks the village.

Basically as its been said, before he left the village he planned on dying by sasuke's hands and not only did he execute this very well, its almost as if he could see the future by implanting techniques into naruto and sasuke.

For somebody who has never used seen the edo tensei technique, he claims he has a way to stop it. Im i doubting im?, no because itachi isnt the type to spout shit