Itachi Vs Guy(gate8)

[Disquiet]

but then again, susano'o isn't an absolute defense, as it was broken by 4th raikage several times. A lightning jutsu of kirin's scale and magnitude would most likely have broken through an incomplete susanoo. the yata mirror was shown so that the readers would know that with the sword of totsuka and yata mirror, that he becomes invincible.

on your first part, raikage broke those bones things which wasn't even sasuke's INCOMPLETE form, lol. if you remember sasuke activates his susano'o after the raikage fight, that is when sasuke boast about his "absolute defense" and then everyone proceeds to break it but couldn't. sasuke then breaks everything and leaves.

on your second part, exactly, that is why the "yata mirror" was shown. the susano'o was shown to let readers know that the susano'o protected itachi from the blast, the yata mirror and susano'o both had their "shine" moment.

 

[fastrthnwind]

on your first part, raikage broke those bones things which wasn't even sasuke's INCOMPLETE form, lol. if you remember sasuke activates his susano'o after the raikage fight, that is when sasuke boast about his "absolute defense" and then everyone proceeds to break it but couldn't. sasuke then breaks everything and leaves.

on your second part, exactly, that is why the "yata mirror" was shown. the susano'o was shown to let readers know that the susano'o protected itachi from the blast, the yata mirror and susano'o both had their "shine" moment.

exactly, and what form was itachi in when he revealed it to sasuke? it was incomplete.

if he didn't need the yata mirror to block the kirin jutsu and if they didn't explain it's abilities, which would be a perfect counter for kirin, then was it just for show?

 

[Disquiet]

exactly, and what form was itachi in when he revealed it to sasuke? it was incomplete.

if he didn't need the yata mirror to block the kirin jutsu and if they didn't explain it's abilities, which would be a perfect counter for kirin, then was it just for show?

no, look at the difference when raikage broke it

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and they didn't need to explain it's abilities, because kishi had itachi out of his OWN mouth thanked his susano'o for protecting him from the attack. it was self explanatory

 

[Disquiet]

and to further my argument, gai's attack didn't obliterate kisame or anything, it didn't even kill him, lol. now imagine susano'o v1 then v2 then v3, and you'd know that gai has no attack to get through susno'o and then on top of that kill itachi, when kisame wasn't even obliterated or killed.

 

[Blaze Release]

When did raikage break any bones of sasuke's v1 susano.
From what i recall, he cracked two ribs. Lets not exaggerate

 

[fastrthnwind]

no, look at the difference when raikage broke it

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and they didn't need to explain it's abilities, because kishi had itachi out of his OWN mouth thanked his susano'o for protecting him from the attack. it was self explanatory

then why would they show the yata mirror if it wasn't really needed? If susano'o didn't need it, then he wouldn't need it for oro's hydra form.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

First, he doesn't look at his feet, he looks at the person's mouth.
Second, most genjutsus are short-range, if Guy can keep his distance it's ok.

I agree, however, Guy doesn't stand a chance against Susano'o. Guy's only chance of winning is opening 7 gates within the first minute and taking Itachi out before he summons Susano'o.

As for Amaterasu, Guy with gates (7-8) can avoid it.

Itachi would most likely win, but Guy has a chance.

I can get you the manga page where Guy says he looks at feet. It is right there in black and white. There is no ambiguity in what he said.

Secondly if he looks up at his mouth he will at some point have to look at his hands, or some other part of his body, at which point he will get caught in a genjutsu and then be killed.

My final point Guy in the eight gates in not the fastest person in the Narutoverse, and you fanboys are greatly overrating the eight gates. It barely puts Guy in top 25 if that.

The gates only allows the user to use their maximum chakra potential, it doesn't magically allow them to be as fast as Naruto in KM or A in his raiton armor. (Whom Sasuke was able to track in his version 1 raiton armor)

But fanboys are fanboys and refuse to admit this even though it is very obvious Guy would lose. His only chance is a speed blitz if Itachi is looking the other way. Because I sure as hell know that Guy is not as fast as Kirin, and Itachi was able to activate it in a millisecond. SO yeah, he loses deal with fanboys.

 

[Disquiet]

then why would they show the yata mirror if it wasn't really needed? If susano'o didn't need it, then he wouldn't need it for oro's hydra form.

because they had to show it sometime, itachi was about to die, lol. kishi wanted to let the readers know he has it.

 

[fastrthnwind]

I can get you the manga page where Guy says he looks at feet. It is right there in black and white. There is no ambiguity in what he said.

Secondly if he looks up at his mouth he will at some point have to look at his hands, or some other part of his body, at which point he will get caught in a genjutsu and then be killed.

My final point Guy in the eight gates in not the fastest person in the Narutoverse, and you fanboys are greatly overrating the eight gates. It barely puts Guy in top 25 if that.

The gates only allows the user to use their maximum chakra potential, it doesn't magically allow them to be as fast as Naruto in KM or A in his raiton armor. (Whom Sasuke was able to track in his version 1 raiton armor)

But fanboys are fanboys and refuse to admit this even though it is very obvious Guy would lose. His only chance is a speed blitz if Itachi is looking the other way. Because I sure as hell know that Guy is not as fast as Kirin, and Itachi was able to activate it in a millisecond. SO yeah, he loses deal with fanboys.

Then again, eight gates can't be overrated or underrated as we haven't seen what it is truly capable of. For all we know he could become faster than the raikage and naruto for a short period of time in that mode. After all, it is said that it grants the user powers greater than a kage.

 

[fastrthnwind]

because they had to show it sometime, itachi was about to die, lol. kishi wanted to let the readers know he has it.

whats the purpose if he doesn't even use it for what it's meant to be used for?

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Then again, eight gates can't be overrated or underrated as we haven't seen what it is truly capable of. For all we know he could become faster than the raikage and naruto for a short period of time in that mode. After all, it is said that it grants the user powers greater than a kage.

What does that even mean? Does that mean that all the kages are the same speed and strength? And how does that apply to a kage who is using the gates? And what about raiton armor which increases A's speed and strength by insane amounts as well?

I made a thread once detailing why the gates are overrated but if you want I will make my point again. I'm fine either way though, you just have to ask and I will write it, but you have to promise to read it because it will be sort of long and I don't want to waste my time.

 

[Disquiet]

whats the purpose if he doesn't even use it for what it's meant to be used for?

you're thinking too much into it, the only purpose was to show that itachi had it. if you recall, they waited until sasuke was throwing kunai at itachi to state its abilities, it would have been so easy to have zetsu say: so that's what he blocked kirin with. or something like that, but they didn't, instead they had itachi state that he used susano'o to block it and never said otherwise during the fight.

 

[Illyasviel]

I think itachi would win even if guy killed itachi he would die himself from opening the eight gate

 

[Blaze Release]

Wait a sec are people trying to say that 8 gates gai can get passed susnao.

7 gates gai's strongest attack hardly did much to an already weakened kisame. I acknowledge the fact that 8 gates would be stronger but, the difference wouldnt be vast and even if it is susano v2 or v3 should withstand it.

There isnt the need for a complete susano let alone the yata mirror

 

[ImLazyGetOverIt]

Itachi

 

[fastrthnwind]

What does that even mean? Does that mean that all the kages are the same speed and strength? And how does that apply to a kage who is using the gates? And what about raiton armor which increases A's speed and strength by insane amounts as well?

I made a thread once detailing why the gates are overrated but if you want I will make my point again. I'm fine either way though, you just have to ask and I will write it, but you have to promise to read it because it will be sort of long and I don't want to waste my time.

I believe I actually commented on that same thread some time ago myself about the same thing.

I just reply to your points that you made right here.

It doesn't mean that all kages are the same speed and strength. It probably means greater in general power. It wouldn't apply to a kage using gates, because the kages wouldn't use the gates in the same way. The raiton armor is a speed, power, and durability enhancer, while the gates just unlock the users full potential speed and power at the cost of their body.

I do believe that I said something just like that on you thread too.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Wait a sec are people trying to say that 8 gates gai can get passed susnao.

7 gates gai's strongest attack hardly did much to an already weakened kisame. I acknowledge the fact that 8 gates would be stronger but, the difference wouldnt be vast and even if it is susano v2 or v3 should withstand it.

There isnt the need for a complete susano let alone the yata mirror

Well by the rules of the gates, his attacks would be 10% more powerful.

This is what Guy fanboys don't understand, the gates only allows the user to fully utilize their maximum chakra potential. This allows them to use their maximum strength and speed.

The gates limits chakra flow, and a ninja (according to the manga) uses 20% of their potential chakra max, each gate opens up another 10% until you are fully using your power.

So the eight gate would basically be the 7th gate plus 10% more chakra and power.


If anyone wants me to explain why the gates can never put Guy on par with really strong people, I will, just ask.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Wait a sec are people trying to say that 8 gates gai can get passed susnao.

7 gates gai's strongest attack hardly did much to an already weakened kisame. I acknowledge the fact that 8 gates would be stronger but, the difference wouldnt be vast and even if it is susano v2 or v3 should withstand it.

There isnt the need for a complete susano let alone the yata mirror

Kisame was just one of the VERY few people who happened to be EXTREMELY durable, which is similar to the third raikage.

The difference actually would be vast as the eighth gate is the strongest of all the gates. And it would probably punch a hole right through it like the raikage did with oonoki's help.

 

[Blaze Release]

Well by the rules of the gates, his attacks would be 10% more powerful.

This is what Guy fanboys don't understand, the gates only allows the user to fully utilize their maximum chakra potential. This allows them to use their maximum strength and speed.

The gates limits chakra flow, and a ninja (according to the manga) uses 20% of their potential chakra max, each gate opens up another 10% until you are fully using your power.

So the eight gate would basically be the 7th gate plus 10% more chakra and power.


If anyone wants me to explain why the gates can never put Guy on par with really strong people, I will, just ask.

I believe 8 gates gai power most most likely be on the same level as A when he tag teamed with onoki who made him lighter and his punches denser. That combo broke 2 ribs of v2 susano.

That combo didnt even destroy an incomplete susano. As i said gai would just die for no reason going 8 gates

 

[Blaze Release]

Kisame was just one of the VERY few people who happened to be EXTREMELY durable, which is similar to the third raikage.

The difference actually would be vast as the eighth gate is the strongest of all the gates. And it would probably punch a hole right through it like the raikage did with oonoki's help.

8 gates gai power rival A and onoki tag team and that merely broke a v2 susano.
V3 susano should withstand it.